Posted: 11/19/2011 10:23:40 AM EDT
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From the MSP website (http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10955––,00.html):
For an individual licensed after July 1, 2001, and subsequently applying for a renewal: Pistol safety training course is not required Applicant shall present a statement signed by the applicant certifying that he/she has: Completed at least three (3) hours of review of the pistol safety training course and has at least 1 hour of firing range time in the 6 months immediately preceding the renewal application. My question: Is there a website that includes the "pistol safety training course" material? If there is, can we include it in the Michigan Important Documents post? I have looked but couldn't find it. Thanks, Raffi |
| That material is handed out by the NRA Certified Instructor to his students during the initial course. I may be wrong, but I don't beleve it is available to anyone but instructors who have to purchase the materials in the form of a "student packet" when a class is scheduled, from the NRA. |
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If I remember right the county clerk gave me the info with the renewal form. I think they are handing out a DVD in my county but I'm not sure how much of the original info. is on it. This started after my last renewal. There have been several changes made to the original CPL laws since 7/2001and it is easy to access the up to date info on the MSP website. The NRA class materials handed out mainly consists of the "Basic Pistol" softcover book. I think that and the updates to the CPL law/statute is the material that is to be reviwed. In other words, the NRA is responsible for the class content/materials covered, while the State makes amendments/changes to the law itself. |
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That material is handed out by the NRA Certified Instructor to his students during the initial course. I may be wrong, but I don't beleve it is available to anyone but instructors who have to purchase the materials in the form of a "student packet" when a class is scheduled, from the NRA. That's not what it's talking about, but you can order that stuff if you want, There are only a few things that only we can order, the student pack is one of them (because it contain a blank certificate), but you can order all of the other class materials yourself if you want, just not the packet. If you took an NRA class your instructor was supposed to give you all your materials to keep, but if you lost it all the packet has is some brochures, the Winchester Marksmanship Skill booklet, and the course manual, and the manual is the only pertinent thing, here it is if you want to order it: http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=ES%2026828 The state just wants you to review the law. |
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From the MSP website (http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10955––,00.html): For an individual licensed after July 1, 2001, and subsequently applying for a renewal: Pistol safety training course is not required Applicant shall present a statement signed by the applicant certifying that he/she has: Completed at least three (3) hours of review of the pistol safety training course and has at least 1 hour of firing range time in the 6 months immediately preceding the renewal application. My question: Is there a website that includes the "pistol safety training course" material? If there is, can we include it in the Michigan Important Documents post? I have looked but couldn't find it. Thanks, Raffi Read all the links in that post, read your manual if you still have it, then go to the firing range, you're done. |
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From the MSP website (http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10955––,00.html): For an individual licensed after July 1, 2001, and subsequently applying for a renewal: Pistol safety training course is not required Applicant shall present a statement signed by the applicant certifying that he/she has: Completed at least three (3) hours of review of the pistol safety training course and has at least 1 hour of firing range time in the 6 months immediately preceding the renewal application. My question: Is there a website that includes the "pistol safety training course" material? If there is, can we include it in the Michigan Important Documents post? I have looked but couldn't find it. Thanks, Raffi Read all the links in that post, read your manual if you still have it, then go to the firing range, you're done. Thanks. I still have my manual. I'll look through it and go through the links at the MSP site. Shooting isn't a problem. I went last week. Raffi |
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From the MSP website (http://www.michigan.gov/msp/0,4643,7-123-1591_3503_4654-10955––,00.html): For an individual licensed after July 1, 2001, and subsequently applying for a renewal: Pistol safety training course is not required Applicant shall present a statement signed by the applicant certifying that he/she has: Completed at least three (3) hours of review of the pistol safety training course and has at least 1 hour of firing range time in the 6 months immediately preceding the renewal application. My question: Is there a website that includes the "pistol safety training course" material? If there is, can we include it in the Michigan Important Documents post? I have looked but couldn't find it. Thanks, Raffi Read all the links in that post, read your manual if you still have it, then go to the firing range, you're done. Thanks. I still have my manual. I'll look through it and go through the links at the MSP site. Shooting isn't a problem. I went last week. Raffi No problem. 
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Here's another question. CPLs are issued for not less than 4 years or more than 5 years. Does this apply only to your original CPL which probably wasn't issued to you on your birthday? I understand if that is the case.
What about renewals? Let's say your CPL expires on April 1, 2012. If you submit your renewal now and it gets approved in February, when would it expire? April 2016 or April 2017? April 2017 would be more than 5 years from the time the renewal was approved. Is the effective date of the renewal April 1, 2012 or would it be February 2012? Just wondering. I still have time to submit my stuff and was wondering if there is any penalty to submitting it too early. Would I end up with a CPL that expires only 4 years after my current one does? Thanks, Raffi |
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That material is handed out by the NRA Certified Instructor to his students during the initial course. I may be wrong, but I don't believe it is available to anyone but instructors who have to purchase the materials in the form of a "student packet" when a class is scheduled, from the NRA. That's not what it's talking about, but you can order that stuff if you want, There are only a few things that only we can order, the student pack is one of them (because it contain a blank certificate), but you can order all of the other class materials yourself if you want, just not the packet. If you took an NRA class your instructor was supposed to give you all your materials to keep, but if you lost it all the packet has is some brochures, the Winchester Marksmanship Skill booklet, and the course manual, and the manual is the only pertinent thing, here it is if you want to order it: http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=ES%2026828 The state just wants you to review the law. That is not what the law states. It states "Complete at least (3) hours of review of the pistol safety training course and...", then goes on to note the range time requirement. The Gun Board in this county also wanted the applicant to be aware of the changes/additions to the CPL statute since it went into effect and they last received their original CPL. I guess I'm not sure what you mean when you wrote "Thats not what its talking about,..." If he contacts his original iinstructor, or any other one for that matter, they should have extra Basic Pistol books. |
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Here's another question. CPLs are issued for not less than 4 years or more than 5 years. Does this apply only to your original CPL which probably wasn't issued to you on your birthday? I understand if that is the case. What about renewals? Let's say your CPL expires on April 1, 2012. If you submit your renewal now and it gets approved in February, when would it expire? April 2016 or April 2017? April 2017 would be more than 5 years from the time the renewal was approved. Is the effective date of the renewal April 1, 2012 or would it be February 2012? Just wondering. I still have time to submit my stuff and was wondering if there is any penalty to submitting it too early. Would I end up with a CPL that expires only 4 years after my current one does? Thanks, Raffi I went to the Oakland County Clerk's office today. They gave me the Michigan Firearms CD. It is the same pdf file as found on the MSP website. Here's the link to the file: Michigan Firearms Law June 2011 The lady I talked to said I should wait to turn in my renewal since my current CPL doesn't expire for a few months. Oakland County is processing requests in 6-8 weeks. She said the new license takes effect on the approval date and would expire on your birthday that lands between 4 and 5 years after the license is issued. I was thinking about this on my way home. If what she said is correct, then we really don't have a license that lasts 5 years. Another example: Your birthday is on Jan 1. You took your first class in February 2007 to get your CPL. It gets issued with an expiration date of Jan 1, 2012, so you almost get 5 years out of it. Now that Jan 2012 is coming up, you submit your renewal and it gets approved in Nov 2011. If that truly is the effective date, then the license will only be good until Jan 2016. The license expires on your birthday at least 4 years away but not more than 5 years. It can't expire on Jan 2017 because that would be 5 years and 2 months even though it would be only 5 years since your first license expired. To take it a step further, if you got you license renewal approved in February 2011 instead of November 2011, it would still expire on January 2016. Anyone have examples of what the effective date is for your renewed license? Is it the date it was approved or your birthday on which your existing license expires? So many questions. I took the NRA book (link above) with me. She said it was the book to review along with the Michigan Firearms file. Thanks, Raffi |
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That material is handed out by the NRA Certified Instructor to his students during the initial course. I may be wrong, but I don't believe it is available to anyone but instructors who have to purchase the materials in the form of a "student packet" when a class is scheduled, from the NRA. That's not what it's talking about, but you can order that stuff if you want, There are only a few things that only we can order, the student pack is one of them (because it contain a blank certificate), but you can order all of the other class materials yourself if you want, just not the packet. If you took an NRA class your instructor was supposed to give you all your materials to keep, but if you lost it all the packet has is some brochures, the Winchester Marksmanship Skill booklet, and the course manual, and the manual is the only pertinent thing, here it is if you want to order it: http://materials.nrahq.org/go/product.aspx?productid=ES%2026828 The state just wants you to review the law. That is not what the law states. It states "Complete at least (3) hours of review of the pistol safety training course and...", then goes on to note the range time requirement. The Gun Board in this county also wanted the applicant to be aware of the changes/additions to the CPL statute since it went into effect and they last received their original CPL. I guess I'm not sure what you mean when you wrote "Thats not what its talking about,..." If he contacts his original iinstructor, or any other one for that matter, they should have extra Basic Pistol books. Your right, I misspoke I clarified that in my next post however. As for the book, if it was an NRA course the instructor is supposed to give you a copy when you take the class, if you loose it however he does not have to give you a new one (they cost $10 not counting shipping), if you want one though you can order it yourself in the link I posted earlier, you can ask however, and he might let you borrow one, though he doesn't have to. Note he may try to get you to take a "renewal" course which is not required under the law, you can take one if you want, but your can also do the review on your own, my experience though is that many instructors will "forget" to tell you that part as they are trying to sell you a renewal course. |
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Here's another question. CPLs are issued for not less than 4 years or more than 5 years. Does this apply only to your original CPL which probably wasn't issued to you on your birthday? I understand if that is the case. What about renewals? Let's say your CPL expires on April 1, 2012. If you submit your renewal now and it gets approved in February, when would it expire? April 2016 or April 2017? April 2017 would be more than 5 years from the time the renewal was approved. Is the effective date of the renewal April 1, 2012 or would it be February 2012? Just wondering. I still have time to submit my stuff and was wondering if there is any penalty to submitting it too early. Would I end up with a CPL that expires only 4 years after my current one does? Thanks, Raffi I went to the Oakland County Clerk's office today. They gave me the Michigan Firearms CD. It is the same pdf file as found on the MSP website. Here's the link to the file: Michigan Firearms Law June 2011 The lady I talked to said I should wait to turn in my renewal since my current CPL doesn't expire for a few months. Oakland County is processing requests in 6-8 weeks. She said the new license takes effect on the approval date and would expire on your birthday that lands between 4 and 5 years after the license is issued. I was thinking about this on my way home. If what she said is correct, then we really don't have a license that lasts 5 years. Another example: Your birthday is on Jan 1. You took your first class in February 2007 to get your CPL. It gets issued with an expiration date of Jan 1, 2012, so you almost get 5 years out of it. Now that Jan 2012 is coming up, you submit your renewal and it gets approved in Nov 2011. If that truly is the effective date, then the license will only be good until Jan 2016. The license expires on your birthday at least 4 years away but not more than 5 years. It can't expire on Jan 2017 because that would be 5 years and 2 months even though it would be only 5 years since your first license expired. To take it a step further, if you got you license renewal approved in February 2011 instead of November 2011, it would still expire on January 2016. Anyone have examples of what the effective date is for your renewed license? Is it the date it was approved or your birthday on which your existing license expires? So many questions. I took the NRA book (link above) with me. She said it was the book to review along with the Michigan Firearms file. Thanks, Raffi I was there yesterday as well  and also got the same spiel about being too early. Screw it. I'm there, everything's ready, just do it. Only took about 1/2 hour between initially parking and finally driving away.
My original issue date was only 2 weeks before my birthday so mine would only be good for 4 years and 2 weeks. This time it'll be good for 4 years and a few months. I'll keep working the renewal up a few months each time until I'm closer to 5 years. I know I can carry the certified receipt as an extension, but in my mind that's a path toward red-tape hell, especially if there are unexpected delays. If there are any issues with renewal, I'd prefer to have time to deal with things prior to (any/all) expiration. |
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I haven't gotten my renewal yet (obviously as I renewed just a few days ago) but I was told that the "effective" or "issued" date will be whenever it is issued - about 6 to 8 weeks from now. I wouldn't be so worried about trying to eek out every possible day of the license's effective period. The decision to have the license expire on the holder's birthday rather than 5 years to the day after issuance is obviously done to evenly distribute the workload on the county/state employees. The downside is that you don't get what you pay for - unfortunately the accepted norm with public agencies. |