Posted: 4/12/2009 6:49:39 PM EDT
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Hello gents,
My daughter and S-I-L attend a large Church in central Ohio. Seems the Church leadership is forming a security team for the Church. Right now it looks to be between 10-12 individuals. S-I-L has been asked to be a member of the team. Are there other Churchs here in Ohio doing the same thing ? ? Opinions ? ? Thanks ! ! |
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I was told by my CCW instructor that churches all over are starting to implement things of this nature. Whether or not this is true, well that's up in the air. I know the church I attend with my wife and son does not allow firearms, period.
I was walking in this morning and out of habit my pistol is in my holster on my belt concealed beneath my suit jacket. When I get to the door to enter there's a ridiculously large sign that says the usual, no concealed weapons beyond this point, then underneath of that there is more print that goes on to say licensed Conceal and carry holders are no exception and are also prohibited beyond this point. That seems a bit ridiculous to me. Just like in any other location that is the location of a violent crime with a gun, THESE SIGNS DO NOT DETER CRIMINALS WHO PLAN TO COMMIT A VIOLENT CRIME. |
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I think you will see an increase in violence in churches if things with the economy will not settle down and this is why. People that believe in a higher power have this blind faith that He or She what ever you believe ( the higher power) would not let anything happen to me or my family, And when the big hammer of reality hits them on the head they will take it out on him / her (the higher power ) for him/her letting it happen, and the only one they can get at is you, Follow me? So a security team could be very useful in times like this |
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I think you will see an increase in violence in churches if things with the economy will not settle down and this is why. People that believe in a higher power have this blind faith that He or She what ever you believe ( the higher power) would not let anything happen to me or my family, And when the big hammer of reality hits them on the head they will take it out on him / her (the higher power ) for him/her letting it happen, and the only one they can get at is you, Follow me? So a security team could be very useful in times like this Not a christian huh? I thought a lot of the bigger sized churches HAD security just because the buildings are the sizes of a business building. |
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I think you will see an increase in violence in churches if things with the economy will not settle down and this is why. People that believe in a higher power have this blind faith that He or She what ever you believe ( the higher power) would not let anything happen to me or my family, And when the big hammer of reality hits them on the head they will take it out on him / her (the higher power ) for him/her letting it happen, and the only one they can get at is you, Follow me? So a security team could be very useful in times like this Not a Christian huh? I thought a lot of the bigger sized churches HAD security just because the buildings are the sizes of a business building. No not really but I never criticize those whom are. I feel It's a matter of choice |
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security at churches or church members who are known CCW holders and allowed to carry on the premises are a great idea. I agree with the gentlemen that posted above. Some people do have that blind faith that god will never let bad things happen. Those are the ones you have to watch out for. Their perception of bad things happening is their Mercedez being repossessed and driving an accord, or their 400k home being foreclosed on.
If you guys have noticed there has already been an increase in home invasions in the past few months. It's only going to get worse. Can you imagine how the people of todays society would handle a depression of the same scale as "The Great Depression"? Mass chaos, crime, looting you name it. Stock up on guns and ammo while you can. |
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hey guys, more and more churches, as well as other larger estates have been subject to theft because of the times. More and more 'religious' types give the churches money, and in return churches have acquired a pretty massive collection of collectibles (gold, art). Most of these 'collectibles' are displayed to those who attend the church, and also offer little security to those who may be interested in stealing them.
With today's gold market, how can you blame them. Also, most churches are open to the public most days of the week, with no one or nothing restricting access to the collectibles. It's no wonder churches are waking up and realizing that the higher power has little to no power over those who want to do them harm, or steal their collectibles. Good for them. 
You should see what's hiding under the robes of some at the Vatican 
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security at churches or church members who are known CCW holders and allowed to carry on the premises are a great idea. I've got a better idea. How about churches put up big signs that say "CCW Welcome"? Places of worship are only CPZs by default here in OH; they can choose to allow everyone to carry legally. |
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When I get to the door to enter there's a ridiculously large sign that says the usual, no concealed weapons beyond this point, then underneath of that there is more print that goes on to say licensed Conceal and carry holders are no exception and are also prohibited beyond this point.
At this point I would be looking for another church that is CCW friendly. At told the Pastor at the church we go to this. " It's like this, I carry my weapon in church. Or you don't see my smiling face. And the check will not be in the mail." At that point he said no problem. As long as I was willing to have my name added to the list that only he and other CCW members had. And we have had a few meetings about making sure we are all not in one are of the church. Might something happen. And that also is where the kids are staying during the service. My feelings are, That is one of the area's that need covered the most. I think S.F. is a good idea, For big or small churchs. And legal CCW members to be a part of it. Face it, your safe no where. Not even church. |
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I don't know about security indoors, but i know of a local church who hires an off duty city officer for parking and traffic control. Though that idiot lets all the god fearing people out of the parking lot before resuming normal traffic flow. Not his fault though he's just getting paid under the table, who's to blame.
When it all comes down to it, where's the final blame go to.... GOD that's right, if your prayers aren't answered who else do you have to blame? I've never seen any type of security detail in a catholic church, however i would not be opposed to carrying to mass. |
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I've never seen any type of security detail in a catholic church, however I would not be opposed to carrying to mass
Ok, you can NOT just toss out a slow under handed pitch like that. And not expect someone to hit it out of the park. Maybe the Catholic church's need a Security team to keep old father " I cannot keep my hands off the little boys". On the straight and narrow. Sorry, I just had to.... |
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I've never seen any type of security detail in a catholic church, however I would not be opposed to carrying to mass
Ok, you can NOT just toss out a slow under handed pitch like that. And not expect someone to hit it out of the park. Maybe the Catholic church's need a Security team to keep old father " I cannot keep my hands off the little boys". On the straight and narrow. Sorry, I just had to.... Thatb was uncalled for. |
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Thatb was uncalled for. Yep, I agree that was uncalled for. Becuase they should of had is ass arrested and jailed . Instead they moved him to another town and turned a blind eye to the trouble. And then paid off the family to keep there mouth's shut. So I agree.100% Uncalled for. |
| I just wanted to say I in no way mean to shut this thread down. And I am not saying anything about AR-Doc. I dont know any person of whom he speaks or a church that acted as such. I can understand his frustration if he does. But this thread is about churches and thier security. In the church I attend our security is the folks in the pews as we respect thier God given 2nd rights. |
I seriously doubt any religion would have someone monitoring their preists, bishops, pastors ect... Their is still a very personal connection between those with faith and those who lead the faithful. Your understanding of religion in this manner is just like an anti-gun nut saying that if there is one bad person shooting people... everyone who owns a gun must be bad and want to shoot people, your reasoning may need a little adjusting
You have your right to be upset and express it though. You didn't hit my slow pitch out of the park, you popped it up behind the plate with two outs and the catcher caught ya sleeping. 
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Yeah I've seen security at a church before. In Toledo.
Cornestone They have LOTS of security. Inside and out. lol. I don't belong to it so say what you will about it. |
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We have been training staff from churches, hospitals, and the corporate world from all over the country in tactics of how to deal with crisis situations and emergency responses to active gunmen. It is good to see that people are being proactive, hopefully nobody will ever need to use the training!!!
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