Posted: 12/29/2009 2:26:01 PM EDT
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Friends were robbed today, working the west side. What can be carried that will keep you out of jail if caught with or if used? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
It sucks I know because I myself work in some bad places in chicago. I think you could try pepper spray but that might just piss them off
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That's what I told them too, but they are down there all the time and its getting worse. This just before lunch time. Everybody standing on the streets was just laughing at my friends. They did get the get away car tag number, but they're not holding breath.
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Friends were robbed today, working the west side. What can be carried that will keep you out of jail if caught with or if used? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile A good brain telling yourself to avoid shitty areas such as the west and south side of Chicago, regardless of employment. Maybe 5 years ago, a friend was working some sort of service/construction job that took him and his partner to bad places in the city. They stopped to get gas at what looked like to be a "somewhat safe" gas station to stop. This was on the west side in broad daylight. My friend started pumping gas while his partner went inside. While doing this, some hoodlum appeared out of nowhere with a gun. My buddy was like, "Eh man, take what you want!" He put his hands up. The robber starts frisking my him while looking in the van at the same time to see what tools/items they had for the taking. They are between the door and van. Then the partner comes back and interrupts the robbery. They start wrestling. I don't remember if my buddy said he intervened in the struggle or just sat there watching, but anyway, the robber broke loose, started to run away, turned around and shot my friend in the buttcheek with a .45. Luckily all he has now is a scar(s), nerve damage, and a little limp. The bullet was a 1/4 inch from having him wear a colostomy bag for the rest of his life. Needless to say, he hates my gun collection and firearms in general. His take on things? Working that job was a horrible mistake. I have my own little mistake that I made back in 2001. I was only 20 at the time. I had a fake ID and was out with a couple of older friends drinking in the west suburbs. They were like, let's go to Bourbon Street in Evergreen Park. Sure, let's go, I say, never having been there. The kid that was driving wasn't good with directions, and ending up taking us WAY out of our way. Bourbon Street is around 115th and kedzie. We ended way east of there and had to head back west. So, this guy exits at 103rd off of the Dan Ryan and starts heading west. We started in Brookfield (took 55N to 94E), so anyone who knows where these 2 locations are at knows what a fucked up route that is! By this time, we all have to piss, and bad. None of us are intoxicated either. I had had 3 beers at that point. The first gas station we see I have my buddy pull over at. I think the address was 321 E. 103rd or something like that. I knew I was in a shitty neighborhood, but a pit stop had to be made. I run inside before my 2 friends and ask the clerk if I could use his bathroom. He tells me, "It gunna cost you a dolla!" I give him a funny look, don't say anything, and proceed to go outside around the side of the gas station to urinate. I didn't really take note of anybody or anything suspicious as all I was concerned about was taking that piss. I standing at the back corner of the gas station and start peeing. Only then did I start looking around, as this was going to be a long, satisfying urination. There was no alley, only just a little bare area behind the gas station before houses started. I look to my right. I see some guy messing with something in the trunk of his cadillac maybe 50 yards to my right. Probably a dead body. Look to my left and I see the side street. I then heard footsteps approaching from around the corner. I figured it was a friend, coming outside to use the bathroom after getting told about the "$1 fee." From around the corner pops a short shit, dressed in a long black leather coat, with a baseball hat on. He sticks a beat up looking revolver in my face, inches from nose. Without even thinking, I slap at the gun, and try to squeeze by him to run towards the front of the store. he grabs the back of my neck, and shoves the revolver in the base of my skull. I decide it would be best not to fight anymore and go limp, getting pushed face down in the ground with the gun at the back of my head. The only thing my dumbass said was, "Take my money, but don't take my wallet." Why? Because I wanted that fake id  . He whispers to me something along the lines of," Don't move motherfucker or I'll kill you." Hands were rifling through my pockets at what felt like a million miles and hour. He repeats himself again, and then takes off behind me towards
the houses and disappears in the night. He stole my wallet with $67 and my shitty cell phone. I wait maybe 30 seconds, get up, go inside, and tell the clerk and my shocked friends (who were using the bathroom btw) about getting robbed. None of the customers were shocked though. Only the clerk and my friends. The clerk told me he was just joking about the dollar. Nobody saw a thing. Mr. Cadillac was long gone. The police came, filled out a report, and told me what a f'n idiot I am, and how lucky I was. Who knows how many other people this piece of shit has robbed or maybe even killed. And he got away. It didn't even feel like I got robbed. Not until after the fact and I had time to reflect would I say to myself, "Hey you dumb f**k!. Your brains could've been splattered all over the back of the gas station at 321 E. 103rd." Then I get a shudder down my spine from time to time. There are many morales in this story. I learned a lot from this experience. The only time I go to city is once in a blue moon for either sports, or a concert. And I'm very cautious when i do. Sorry about the novel. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Friends were robbed today, working the west side. What can be carried that will keep you out of jail if caught with or if used? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile A good brain telling yourself to avoid shitty areas such as the west and south side of Chicago, regardless of employment. Maybe 5 years ago, a friend was working some sort of service/construction job that took him and his partner to bad places in the city. They stopped to get gas at what looked like to be a "somewhat safe" gas station to stop. This was on the west side in broad daylight. My friend started pumping gas while his partner went inside. While doing this, some hoodlum appeared out of nowhere with a gun. My buddy was like, "Eh man, take what you want!" He put his hands up. The robber starts frisking my him while looking in the van at the same time to see what tools/items they had for the taking. They are between the door and van. Then the partner comes back and interrupts the robbery. They start wrestling. I don't remember if my buddy said he intervened in the struggle or just sat there watching, but anyway, the robber broke loose, started to run away, turned around and shot my friend in the buttcheek with a .45. Luckily all he has now is a scar(s), nerve damage, and a little limp. The bullet was a 1/4 inch from having him wear a colostomy bag for the rest of his life. Needless to say, he hates my gun collection and firearms in general. His take on things? Working that job was a horrible mistake. I have my own little mistake that I made back in 2001. I was only 20 at the time. I had a fake ID and was out with a couple of older friends drinking in the west suburbs. They were like, let's go to Bourbon Street in Evergreen Park. Sure, let's go, I say, never having been there. The kid that was driving wasn't good with directions, and ending up taking us WAY out of our way. Bourbon Street is around 115th and kedzie. We ended way east of there and had to head back west. So, this guy exits at 103rd off of the Dan Ryan and starts heading west. We started in Brookfield (took 55N to 94E), so anyone who knows where these 2 locations are at knows what a fucked up route that is! By this time, we all have to piss, and bad. None of us are intoxicated either. I had had 3 beers at that point. The first gas station we see I have my buddy pull over at. I think the address was 321 E. 103rd or something like that. I knew I was in a shitty neighborhood, but a pit stop had to be made. I run inside before my 2 friends and ask the clerk if I could use his bathroom. He tells me, "It gunna cost you a dolla!" I give him a funny look, don't say anything, and proceed to go outside around the side of the gas station to urinate. I didn't really take note of anybody or anything suspicious as all I was concerned about was taking that piss. I standing at the back corner of the gas station and start peeing. Only then did I start looking around, as this was going to be a long, satisfying urination. There was no alley, only just a little bare area behind the gas station before houses started. I look to my right. I see some guy messing with something in the trunk of his cadillac maybe 50 yards to my right. Probably a dead body. Look to my left and I see the side street. I then heard footsteps approaching from around the corner. I figured it was a friend, coming outside to use the bathroom after getting told about the "$1 fee." From around the corner pops a short shit, dressed in a long black leather coat, with a baseball hat on. He sticks a beat up looking revolver in my face, inches from nose. Without even thinking, I slap at the gun, and try to squeeze by him to run towards the front of the store. he grabs the back of my neck, and shoves the revolver in the base of my skull. I decide it would be best not to fight anymore and go limp, getting pushed face down in the ground with the gun at the back of my head. The only thing my dumbass said was, "Take my money, but don't take my wallet." Why? Because I wanted that fake id . He whispers to me something along the lines of," Don't move motherfucker or I'll kill you." Hands were rifling through my pockets at what felt like a million miles and hour. He repeats himself again, and then takes off behind me towards the houses and disappears in the night. He stole my wallet with $67 and my shitty cell phone. I wait maybe 30 seconds, get up, go inside, and tell the clerk and my shocked friends (who were using the bathroom btw) about getting robbed. None of the customers were shocked though. Only the clerk and my friends. The clerk told me he was just joking about the dollar. Nobody saw a thing. Mr. Cadillac was long gone. The police came, filled out a report, and told me what a f'n idiot I am, and how lucky I was. Who knows how many other people this piece of shit has robbed or maybe even killed. And he got away. It didn't even feel like I got robbed. Not until after the fact and I had time to reflect would I say to myself, "Hey you dumb f**k!. Your brains could've been splattered all over the back of the gas station at 321 E. 103rd." Then I get a shudder down my spine from time to time. There are many morales in this story. I learned a lot from this experience. The only time I go to city is once in a blue moon for either sports, or a concert. And I'm very cautious when i do. Sorry about the novel. Now you know those two statements don't go together. No pit stops in shitty neighborhoods. PERIOD. Glad you made it through that without getting shot. And never let the dumbass with no sense of direction drive again. To the OP...pepper spray? A small blade? There's not much to choose from. Then again, you can decide how you feel about ...than carried by six. I often wonder what would really happen in Chicago if someone defended himself with a concealed firearm despite the law. Would he be prosecuted to the full extent of the law? The last time someone was about to be prosecuted for violating a handgun ban in the state, state legislators passed a law and overrode Blago's veto to change the law to allow self-defense even with a banned weapon. |
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That's fucked up! I know working any place like that has it risks. My friends know it too. But it takes a special kinda of asshole to rob someone during the day. I would love to sit in a place like that and show what we country boys do to idiots, make them wish never were born. But my friends didn't think it would happen during the day. Night time though a differnt piece of shit comes out, you better have a battle buddy! Thanks for your story I'll pass it on and tell them to find different locations to work or have somebody standing guard. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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All I know was there were three and additional driver. They didn't tell me if they had weapons. But knowing may friends they would have had to had something. I've seen these two clear a room with just their hands. That's why this is so fucked up. I bet they're out right now trying to find these assholes on their own. I can say without a dought it will not end well for the bad guys! They got caught off guard, and paid the price. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
| I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore |
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I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. |
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That's fucked up! I know working any place like that has it risks. My friends know it too. But it takes a special kinda of asshole to rob someone during the day. I would love to sit in a place like that and show what we country boys do to idiots, make them wish never were born. But my friends didn't think it would happen during the day. Night time though a differnt piece of shit comes out, you better have a battle buddy! Thanks for your story I'll pass it on and tell them to find different locations to work or have somebody standing guard. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile In my experience country boys seem to get robbed by city boys. Perhaps working on their situational awareness is what is really required. |
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I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Unfortunately the police are not obligated to protect anyone. It's up to you the individual. Examples: 7/15/05 SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES No. 04-278 TOWN OF CASTLE ROCK, COLORADO, PETITIONER v. JESSICA GONZALES, INDIVIDUALLY AND AS NEXT BEST FRIEND OF HER DECEASED MINOR CHILDREN, REBECCA GONZALES, KATHERYN GONZALES, AND LESLIE GONZALES On June 27, in the case of Castle Rock v. Gonzales, the Supreme Court found that Jessica Gonzales did not have a constitutional right to individual police protection even in the presence of a restraining order. Mrs. Gonzales' husband with a track record of violence, stabbing Mrs. Gonzales to death, Mrs. Gonzales' family could not get the Supreme Court to change their unanimous decision for one's individual protection. YOU ARE ON YOUR OWN FOLKS AND GOVERNMENT BODIES ARE REFUSING TO PASS THE Safety Ordinance. (1) Richard W. Stevens. 1999. Dial 911 and Die. Hartford, Wisconsin: Mazel Freedom Press. (2) Barillari v. City of Milwaukee, 533 N.W.2d 759 (Wis. 1995). (3) Bowers v. DeVito, 686 F.2d 616 (7th Cir. 1982). (4) DeShaney v. Winnebago County Department of Social Services, 489 U.S. 189 (1989). (5) Ford v. Town of Grafton, 693 N.E.2d 1047 (Mass. App. 1998). (6) Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. 1981). "...a government and its agencies are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any particular individual citizen..." -Warren v. District of Columbia, 444 A.2d 1 (D.C. App. 1981) (7) "What makes the City's position particularly difficult to understand is that, in conformity to the dictates of the law, Linda did not carry any weapon for self-defense. Thus by a rather bitter irony she was required to rely for protection on the City of NY which now denies all responsibility to her." Riss v. New York, 22 N.Y.2d 579,293 N.Y.S.2d 897, 240 N.E.2d 806 (1958). (8) "Law enforcement agencies and personnel have no duty to protect individuals from the criminal acts of others; instead their duty is to preserve the peace and arrest law breakers for the protection of the general public." Lynch v. N.C. Dept. of Justice, 376 S.E. 2nd 247 (N.C. App. 1989) New York Times, Washington DC Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone By LINDA GREENHOUSE Published: June 28, 2005 The ruling applies even for a woman who had obtained a court-issued protective order against a violent husband making an arrest mandatory for a violation. Lacey v Palatine |
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I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. In the course of my job, I've been assigned construction projects in bad parts of the city. I have, illegally, carried an effective self defense weapon on my person. I had an instance near 63rd and Cottage Grove where I had to display said weapon in a non-threatening manner to an individual who felt entitled to my wallet. The simple possession and display of the weapon sufficed to defuse a potentially ugly situation. We both went on our ways with no further interaction required. While I wouldn't recommend anyone break the law, there is the old saying "better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6". I try to avoid getting in situations like this, but sometimes it's unavoidable. I like to think that a cop might cut a hard working stiff a little slack. |
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I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. In the course of my job, I've been assigned construction projects in bad parts of the city. I have, illegally, carried an effective self defense weapon on my person. I had an instance near 63rd and Cottage Grove where I had to display said weapon in a non-threatening manner to an individual who felt entitled to my wallet. The simple possession and display of the weapon sufficed to defuse a potentially ugly situation. We both went on our ways with no further interaction required. While I wouldn't recommend anyone break the law, there is the old saying "better to be tried by 12 than carried by 6". I try to avoid getting in situations like this, but sometimes it's unavoidable. I like to think that a cop might cut a hard working stiff a little slack. Isn't that lovely old Englewood? After my parents got divorced eons upon eons ago, my mom had to start working again to support her 3 young boys. She used to be a Shitcago public school teacher before we were all born so naturally she went back to that. Bad choice. That's a whole other shitstorm I'm not gonna get into. Anyway, after subbing for a little while here and there, she found a full time position at lovely Miles Davis Academy in Englewood. I think the school was K-6 maybe, and she had 1st grade I'm pretty sure. As far as the stories she used to tell me about her work, let's just say "Wow!" is a good way to describe them. Crazy, fucked up kids (1st grade keep that in mind) who did the nuttiest shit. Razors in their mouths, pencils in vaginas (due to sexual abuse I'm sure), peeing on a classmate, etc. The list goes on. Blame the parents! Many parents would come in high or drunk for conferences. Some mothers were prostitutes. Fathers were gangbangers and drug dealers. Or addicted to drugs. Not all the kids were bad, same goes for the parents. There would be some bright beacons here and there. I used to look through her gradebook and ask her about the different kids in relation to their scores. Something like, "this kids getting all D's and F's, why is he doing so bad?" And vice versa for the kids with good grades. And she'd tell me her opinion on the student/parents. I actually went with her to class one day to help out when I had off of school. The kids were surprisingly good that day. A lot of other crazy shit would go on like teachers getting carjacked, crackheads getting into the school and causing mayhem, a janitor being beaten into a vegetable state by gangbangers who were pissed off that he kept locking the gate to the school parking lot because they wanted to sell drugs in there at night. There is much more but I can't remember. I'm gonna get to the point now. And that is, all these years while teaching, my mom has turned into a crazy cat lady. She's now retired (1 year), but has a problem. A serious, life threatening addiction. It started with 2 cats an ex-girlfriend forced upon me when she moved (back in 95'). About 5 years later right when I moved out (thank god), my mom started bringing home "ghetto cats" that would live near the school. Some she would get homes for, others (usually the ugly ducklings) she would keep. Fast forward to 2010. She has 10 or 11 cats now. And even though she's retired, she STILL drives down to the west side of Shitcago 3 times weekly, usually between 4-6am, to feed these ghetto cats. She hasn't had anything happen yet, a few scares she says, but nothing serious. Well, this scares the shit out of me. Its only a matter of time before her addiction (she admits it) gets her into a lot of trouble. I don't want to think about the possible outcomes, but we all have seen TruTV and the news. I bought her a gun 3 years ago ( .22 Beretta Bobcat and holster) that i want her to carry with her when she goes to the city. All i have to do is show her how, she says. This was 3 years ago and i haven't shown her yet. Why? I'm reluctant to do so. I beg her all the time just to stop this ritual. She just ignores me. Then talk turns to the gun. She's say lets go the range. I say OK but never take her. FUCK! What do I do? If you were me, mom would probably be packing heat on her critter runs. Every time I think about this "decision"(which is when I see her or read ILHTF threads on CC), my conclusion I reach in my head is that I hope she stops soon. But in reality, she won't. She's fucking hooked! Anyhow, i'm not gonna tell you to get a new job which keeps you out of the hood, or to carry or not to carry a gun. Just be careful. |
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I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. You missed the point, seems like you would make a Fine Crook County Politician I have read Both constitutions what does it say on the side of most Police cars ? To Serve and Protect Where have I "encouraged " anyone to break the Law ? Learn to read and Interpret before you Judge Shit Head |
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I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. You missed the point, seems like you would make a Fine Crook County Politician I have read Both constitutions what does it say on the side of most Police cars ? To Serve and Protect Where have I "encouraged " anyone to break the Law ? Learn to read and Interpret before you Judge Shit Head Well the way I see it if you are suggesting that you would carry illegally, in this case justifying it for yourself which may cause others to justify breaking their laws. And you still have not read the part or shown me where the Constitution says that you have the right to be safe. As others have posted, which you have failed to read, the courts have ruled that you are not entitled to this right to be safe. I suggest that perhaps you learn to read and interpret. I however will not resort to name calling and be dragged to your level of immaturity. The fact that you instantly start hurling insults and name calling as well as vulgarity indicates, along with your willingness to break the laws you dislike, that you should not be carrying a weapon at all as you are very likely to just go off and kill someone. I pray that you are caught and sent to prison before you kill someone for a perceived slight. |
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I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. You missed the point, seems like you would make a Fine Crook County Politician I have read Both constitutions what does it say on the side of most Police cars ? To Serve and Protect Where have I "encouraged " anyone to break the Law ? Learn to read and Interpret before you Judge Shit Head i concur |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. You missed the point, seems like you would make a Fine Crook County Politician I have read Both constitutions what does it say on the side of most Police cars ? To Serve and Protect Where have I "encouraged " anyone to break the Law ? Learn to read and Interpret before you Judge Shit Head Well the way I see it if you are suggesting that you would carry illegally, in this case justifying it for yourself which may cause others to justify breaking their laws. And you still have not read the part or shown me where the Constitution says that you have the right to be safe. As others have posted, which you have failed to read, the courts have ruled that you are not entitled to this right to be safe. I suggest that perhaps you learn to read and interpret. I however will not resort to name calling and be dragged to your level of immaturity. The fact that you instantly start hurling insults and name calling as well as vulgarity indicates, along with your willingness to break the laws you dislike, that you should not be carrying a weapon at all as you are very likely to just go off and kill someone. I pray that you are caught and sent to prison before you kill someone for a perceived slight. OK, buddy. |
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Quoted: 63rd and Cottage is the Woodlawn Neighborhood!! Not much better than Englewood however. Englewood boundaries are : Dan Ryan Expressway to Western Ave / 55th street to 75th street!! Correct. East of the Dan Ryan, south of the University. That's where Mt. Carmel is. Do you work in the 3rd District? |
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Just wait until this guy starts carrying illegally and shoots someone because they cut him off in traffic. I am sorry but that is the way I see his attitutude.
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I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. You missed the point, seems like you would make a Fine Crook County Politician I have read Both constitutions what does it say on the side of most Police cars ? To Serve and Protect Where have I "encouraged " anyone to break the Law ? Learn to read and Interpret before you Judge Shit Head Well the way I see it if you are suggesting that you would carry illegally, in this case justifying it for yourself which may cause others to justify breaking their laws. And you still have not read the part or shown me where the Constitution says that you have the right to be safe. As others have posted, which you have failed to read, the courts have ruled that you are not entitled to this right to be safe. I suggest that perhaps you learn to read and interpret. I however will not resort to name calling and be dragged to your level of immaturity. The fact that you instantly start hurling insults and name calling as well as vulgarity indicates, along with your willingness to break the laws you dislike, that you should not be carrying a weapon at all as you are very likely to just go off and kill someone. I pray that you are caught and sent to prison before you kill someone for a perceived slight. OK, buddy. Hell he sent me an email trying to belittle me and personally attack me. If someone gets this worked up over an internet forum, should they illegally be carrying a firearm threatening people, and calling them names. Is that the kind of gunowner we want to represent us? |
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I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. You missed the point, seems like you would make a Fine Crook County Politician I have read Both constitutions what does it say on the side of most Police cars ? To Serve and Protect Where have I "encouraged " anyone to break the Law ? Learn to read and Interpret before you Judge Shit Head Well the way I see it if you are suggesting that you would carry illegally, in this case justifying it for yourself which may cause others to justify breaking their laws. And you still have not read the part or shown me where the Constitution says that you have the right to be safe. As others have posted, which you have failed to read, the courts have ruled that you are not entitled to this right to be safe. I suggest that perhaps you learn to read and interpret. I however will not resort to name calling and be dragged to your level of immaturity. The fact that you instantly start hurling insults and name calling as well as vulgarity indicates, along with your willingness to break the laws you dislike, that you should not be carrying a weapon at all as you are very likely to just go off and kill someone. I pray that you are caught and sent to prison before you kill someone for a perceived slight. OK, buddy. Hell he sent me an email trying to belittle me and personally attack me. If someone gets this worked up over an internet forum, should they illegally be carrying a firearm threatening people, and calling them names. Is that the kind of gunowner we want to represent us? First of all, who is "us"? Secondly, how is anybody representing "us"? As far as the fear that this guy will shoot someone for cutting him off in traffic, there is no concern on your part about him having control of a 4000# object with hundreds of horsepower? If "this guy" was inclined to carry illegally and shoot someone over a traffic incident, neither you or I or anyone else can do anything about it. If that was "very likely", it probably would have happened already. It sounds to me like you suffer from the "wild west" fear mentality that the anti-gunners preach about. |
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I will "just so you know The ATF visted me 3 weeks ago,and in Saturdays mail I received my FFL.So I must be doing something right. As far as you wishing my demise you are neither a christan nor a man" I was trying to keep this from Escalating Further on the Forum you say I am Immature and trying to belittle you WOW thats some Crap The Feds, State, and Locals Dont seem to think I am any kind of Threat As another Poster Posed a question what business is it of yours? You have my Email be a Man use it instead of this forum 1 final word arguing on the Internet is like competing in the special olympics, There is no winning or loosing and in the end you are still RETARDED(which I now have become) |
| To get back on track, I believe a knife under 3" can be carried according to my CPD friends. Get a reverse-grip knife (this one fits the bill nicely: http://www.shivworks.com/clinchpick.asp) and follow up with some training on it. Not the same as carrying a pistol, but beats having nothing. And if you've ever seen the videos from Southnarc on these knives, you can be amazed at what can be done in a split-second. |
| Well I'm going to go ahead and throw this out there, I am CPD and I have never seen an officer arrest someone for having a knife regardless of the length; obviously I'm talking about law abiding citizens!! Please do not make the assumption that all cops are assholes (And believe me they're out there). I can't tell you how many times I have tried to convince people that they need a firearm for protection in this rotten city!!! I have never heard of a States Attorney that approved charges on a self defense situation....And I have seen some real shitty cases where the "victim" had a rap sheet 3x longer than the offender!!! And you can almost guarantee that the dispute involved narcotics or money and that the two shitbirds knew each other. |
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Well I'm going to go ahead and throw this out there, I am CPD and I have never seen an officer arrest someone for having a knife regardless of the length; obviously I'm talking about law abiding citizens!! Please do not make the assumption that all cops are assholes (And believe me they're out there). I can't tell you how many times I have tried to convince people that they need a firearm for protection in this rotten city!!! I have never heard of a States Attorney that approved charges on a self defense situation....And I have seen some real shitty cases where the "victim" had a rap sheet 3x longer than the offender!!! And you can almost guarantee that the dispute involved narcotics or money and that the two shitbirds knew each other. Regarding the States Attorneys –– would it be different if the self-defense was with a carried weapon? I know that in a home-defense situation, you will prob get your gun confiscated, a fine slapped on you, and the whole thing quietly goes away because of the bad press of prosecuting someone for defending their family, but I wonder if it would be different if someone used a firearm on the street that was being carried. I can't recall hearing of such a case in quite a while. Most of my friends are 16th and 23rd districts. Grew up on the NW side and 1/2 of all kids become CPD, the other CFD. Trying to convince a few of the guys to go to Lebanon, IN with me next year to take a Pat Rogers course now that they have their M4s! |
| Well if it was a good shooting, worst case scenario would be that you would be charged with misdemeanor UUW and a city charge for having a handgun!! I guess if you weigh that against the alternative of being killed it's not so bad!! You would lose the gun to the city however. People would be shocked if they knew how many Felony Unlawful Use of Weapon (UUW) cases get thrown out at felony probable cause court!!! It makes me sick to know that I risk my life chasing these idiots who will not think twice about pointing a gun at me and pulling the trigger, only to have the Judge find No Probable Cause at Court!! |
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Quoted: Well I work all of Area 2, Gang Enforcement Unit.  I kind of figured you were, based on the name. But without that, based on your precise knowledge of the district's boundaries I would have assumed the same thing. My father was CPD for almost 35 years and many of those years were spent in the 2nd District. Whenever I'd ask about a district he'd give me an answer EXACTLY the way you did. |
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Since Tecumseh Would not Publish that Email I will "just so you know The ATF visted me 3 weeks ago,and in Saturdays mail I received my FFL.So I must be doing something right. As far as you wishing my demise you are neither a christan nor a man" I was trying to keep this from Escalating Further on the Forum you say I am Immature and trying to belittle you WOW thats some Crap The Feds, State, and Locals Dont seem to think I am any kind of Threat As another Poster Posed a question what business is it of yours? You have my Email be a Man use it instead of this forum 1 final word arguing on the Internet is like competing in the special olympics, There is no winning or loosing and in the end you are still RETARDED(which I now have become) So did you inform the ATF agent that you yourself are willing to break the laws you dislike? As you said on this forum? If so why not? And I am not a Christian, so what does it matter if I pray that you get caught, not your death or demise? And how does wishing that those who advocate breaking the law get caught and punished for their crimes make me not a man? Thanks. |
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Just wait until this guy starts carrying illegally and shoots someone because they cut him off in traffic. I am sorry but that is the way I see his attitutude.
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I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. You missed the point, seems like you would make a Fine Crook County Politician I have read Both constitutions what does it say on the side of most Police cars ? To Serve and Protect Where have I "encouraged " anyone to break the Law ? Learn to read and Interpret before you Judge Shit Head Well the way I see it if you are suggesting that you would carry illegally, in this case justifying it for yourself which may cause others to justify breaking their laws. And you still have not read the part or shown me where the Constitution says that you have the right to be safe. As others have posted, which you have failed to read, the courts have ruled that you are not entitled to this right to be safe. I suggest that perhaps you learn to read and interpret. I however will not resort to name calling and be dragged to your level of immaturity. The fact that you instantly start hurling insults and name calling as well as vulgarity indicates, along with your willingness to break the laws you dislike, that you should not be carrying a weapon at all as you are very likely to just go off and kill someone. I pray that you are caught and sent to prison before you kill someone for a perceived slight. OK, buddy. Hell he sent me an email trying to belittle me and personally attack me. If someone gets this worked up over an internet forum, should they illegally be carrying a firearm threatening people, and calling them names. Is that the kind of gunowner we want to represent us? First of all, who is "us"? Secondly, how is anybody representing "us"? As far as the fear that this guy will shoot someone for cutting him off in traffic, there is no concern on your part about him having control of a 4000# object with hundreds of horsepower? If "this guy" was inclined to carry illegally and shoot someone over a traffic incident, neither you or I or anyone else can do anything about it. If that was "very likely", it probably would have happened already. It sounds to me like you suffer from the "wild west" fear mentality that the anti-gunners preach about. True that we cannot stop him. But what are we going to say when the prosecutor shows the jury postings from this forum and this man talking about illegally carrying a firearm? I do think that this will only hurt the rights of gunowners everywhere because anti-gunners will use it as another example of the wild west mentality. The fact this man starts to personally attack me for questioning his advocacy of illegal actions makes me think that he is not stable enough to be carrying a firearm. |
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Well I'm going to go ahead and throw this out there, I am CPD and I have never seen an officer arrest someone for having a knife regardless of the length; obviously I'm talking about law abiding citizens!! Please do not make the assumption that all cops are assholes (And believe me they're out there). I can't tell you how many times I have tried to convince people that they need a firearm for protection in this rotten city!!! I have never heard of a States Attorney that approved charges on a self defense situation....And I have seen some real shitty cases where the "victim" had a rap sheet 3x longer than the offender!!! And you can almost guarantee that the dispute involved narcotics or money and that the two shitbirds knew each other. Any rumors about an upcoming test? I have been following a certain blog for information and nobody seems to be willing to mention the test. Seizer says hire. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Just wait until this guy starts carrying illegally and shoots someone because they cut him off in traffic. I am sorry but that is the way I see his attitutude. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I am from down by St Louis I feel for you in Crook County. Me I would have to buy a cheap RELIABLE piece to carry. If I got caught with it End up Suing Cook County and The Local PD for failing to provide me with adequate safe protection as Granted by our Constitution the so Lovingly choose to ignore Have you read the Constitution by chance? Where is your safety guaranteed? You are also encouraging people to break the law and risk losing all of their gun rights. Genius idea right there. You missed the point, seems like you would make a Fine Crook County Politician I have read Both constitutions what does it say on the side of most Police cars ? To Serve and Protect Where have I "encouraged " anyone to break the Law ? Learn to read and Interpret before you Judge Shit Head Well the way I see it if you are suggesting that you would carry illegally, in this case justifying it for yourself which may cause others to justify breaking their laws. And you still have not read the part or shown me where the Constitution says that you have the right to be safe. As others have posted, which you have failed to read, the courts have ruled that you are not entitled to this right to be safe. I suggest that perhaps you learn to read and interpret. I however will not resort to name calling and be dragged to your level of immaturity. The fact that you instantly start hurling insults and name calling as well as vulgarity indicates, along with your willingness to break the laws you dislike, that you should not be carrying a weapon at all as you are very likely to just go off and kill someone. I pray that you are caught and sent to prison before you kill someone for a perceived slight. OK, buddy. Hell he sent me an email trying to belittle me and personally attack me. If someone gets this worked up over an internet forum, should they illegally be carrying a firearm threatening people, and calling them names. Is that the kind of gunowner we want to represent us? First of all, who is "us"? Secondly, how is anybody representing "us"? As far as the fear that this guy will shoot someone for cutting him off in traffic, there is no concern on your part about him having control of a 4000# object with hundreds of horsepower? If "this guy" was inclined to carry illegally and shoot someone over a traffic incident, neither you or I or anyone else can do anything about it. If that was "very likely", it probably would have happened already. It sounds to me like you suffer from the "wild west" fear mentality that the anti-gunners preach about. True that we cannot stop him. But what are we going to say when the prosecutor shows the jury postings from this forum and this man talking about illegally carrying a firearm? I do think that this will only hurt the rights of gunowners everywhere because anti-gunners will use it as another example of the wild west mentality. The fact this man starts to personally attack me for questioning his advocacy of illegal actions makes me think that he is not stable enough to be carrying a firearm. I don't know what "we are going to say." I know what I am going to say. I'm going to say "the man values his moral duty to defend his life and his Constitutional right to keep and bear arms than your immoral, oppressive, and unconstitutional laws." And for crying out loud, he told you to learn to read and interpret before you judge, before calling you a shit head. Hardly a scathing attack. Nothing to get bent out of shape about. You did accuse him of encouraging illegal activity, which, to my knowledge, he did not. Then you implied that calling you a shit head meant that he was mentally unbalanced and likely to murder someone for a perceived slight in an otherwise mundane situation. And then you further stated you hoped that he be caught and imprisoned for attempting to exercise a human right that is currently declared illegal by the state of Illinois and the city of Chicago. |