Posted: 10/27/2008 4:23:46 PM EDT
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From the MCRGO website... http://www.mcrgo.org/mcrgo/d_no_gun_signs.asp  |
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I like the idea of the list. The no gun signs are really a joke.
Expect most public buildings to be on the list as well. I know the Sheriff Department I work for has one, primarily to discourage people from clearing weapons they need to "safety check" in the lobby. Yes it does happen. Joe |
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MCL 28.429
Sec. 9. (1) ..... (2) A person who presents a pistol for a safety inspection under subsection (1) shall ensure that the pistol is unloaded and that the pistol is equipped with a trigger lock or other disabling mechanism or encased when the pistol is presented for inspection. ...... Link |
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The department doesn't want them unloaded for inspection the state legislature does.
I don't work in the office but I wouldn't want every Tom Dick and Harry to come in and clear handguns in my lobby, clearing barrel or not. Not all people who come in are commandos and adapt at handling firearms without hurting someone. Of course, getting rid of the inspection would solve such problems but good luck with that one. Joe |
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Of course, getting rid of the inspection would solve such problems but good luck with that one.
Funny you should mention that- here is the header across the MCL link provided above: ***** 28.429 THIS SECTION IS REPEALED BY ACT 195 OF 2008 EFFECTIVE JANUARY 7, 2009 ***** |
| I would have no problem with this if the term "Private Property" really meant "P-R-I-V-A-T-E Property" If you don't want someone on your property because he she has a gun thats fine, I just wont go there anymore, and I'll tell all my friends to boycott your store as well. On the other hand, Unlcle Sam, Don't tell me that I have to provide a smoking section in my "PRIVATE property" If a customer doesnt like the smoking atmosphere, then he knows not to come to my store. I am by no means a racist but the same goes for Race with employee quotas. It's my place I'll run it how I see fit. If you dont like it then feel free NOT stopping by. |
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I don't go out and look for these signs.
If I'm out and carrying and I happen into a store - too bad. The state says I'm allowed to carry and I am, so where am I going to put my gun - in my car? Then come back to their store - Hell NO! I like that - Jared's Jewelry, Credit Unions - Great - high value targets and you are attempting to disarm the one person(s) who could help stop a shooting! Thought you guys would like the list. It seems to be growing every few months.
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Do "No Gun" signs hold legal weight in Michigan? No is the correct answer. The owner of the establishment can ask you to leave if he/she somehow finds out that you are going heeled. If that happens you have to leave and no law has been broken. Obviously that does not apply if the "no guns" sign is on an establishment that is specifically stated as a no gun area. Joe |
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It should be pointed out that, if you ever did have to use your weapon in a posted area, under Michigan law you would be an armed trespasser. To wit:
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ MCRGO Weekly E'News - Tips and Answers to FAQ's Monday, Mar 19, 2007 Q: My CPL has the box labeled "Exempt from Pistol Free zones MCL28.425o(4) checked. How does this affect my carrying my firearm in an establishment which has a "No Firearms Allowed" posting? A: Even those who are exempt from the Pistol Free Zones established in the statute must still honor the wishes of any party in control of real estate regarding the possession of weapons on the premises. If you disregard a sign or a verbal or written notice that guns are not allowed in a particular location, your legal status is that of trespasser. One of the results is that you are no longer covered by the "Stand Your Ground" law that went into effect late last year. The Stand Your Ground rule allows individuals to use proportional force in self defense without having to retreat, so long as they are in a place where they have a legal right to be. Even a CPL holder who is exempt from the Pistol Free Zones loses this legal protection while carrying in violation of a posted notice that guns are not allowed on the premises. ...... This information is provided by The Law Offices of Steven W. Dulan, PLC (www.stevenwdulan.com) This answer is intended as general information and should not be relied upon as legal advice for any specific situation or case. The facts of each case vary and you should consult an attorney whenever you have specific questions. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ |
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That would be an interesting legal discussion. You are not technically able to be charged with trespassing until asked to leave by the owner of the property. Does that sign equal the same as an owner telling you to leave?
The legal advice is sound and is always a good idea but it would be interesting. Joe |