Posted: 4/9/2007 9:45:11 PM EDT
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Hi all! I am moving to NM from VA. I will be passing through your state. How do I drive through your state armed? I don't have a permit in my soon to be former home-state. What are your laws concerning traveling while armed? Can I do it? According to NRA-ILA I can as long as I am upon a 'journey'. Please help a fellow ARFCOMr out! Thanks in advance, Tite_Shot_VA |
We must know different Troopers. It is going to depend on the individual Officer or Trooper. Being a "local city cop", I can tell you that the state law says that if you are on a journey away from your home and outside of your normal circle of friends, then you can carry a weapon with you. A "journey" has been accepted to mean more than 50 miles from your home. You should have no problems. |
The troopers I know (which were in my wedding) are way more understandable than the Springdale Cops I grew up with my whole life. Even when I get pulled over now by SPD, they measure my pocket knife. I have my concealed carry permit (and inform them of that right away)and have gotten the 3rd degree about it. County and State have never given me a problem. I was leaving work about 3:00am over two years ago and was pulled over by Springdale for "routine whatever". I guess since I was leaving a business at 300am they felt the need stop me and ask just what I was doing. Normally I am nice and polite to policeman. When he asked about weapons (after my DL and CCW permit were in his hands) I said "One loaded pistol in the console and an unloaded rifle I just purchased in the backseat." He said "Any other weapons?" I said "No". He asked about knives and I told him I had a pocket knife and he had me get out and they removed it from my pocket. It is a CRKT M16. He had his three car backup fetch a tape measure. Then he asked to look inside my truck. I was so pissed off i could barely see. I have ZERO priors on anything. I've NEVER been arrested, let alone every being in the back of a cop car. I guess they came up with nothing. After 35 minutes in 20 degree weather I was on my way. What was the point of this ordeal?? It's like they were fishing for something. I've been twice each by County (in Tontitown) and State on 412 going to Siloam and they go "Is it loaded" I say "yeah" and thats end of story. No more questions about it. Can you help me out on why they would react this way. Is it just Springdale?? |
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It is Springdale what more do you need to know? We were T-boned in 2000 and the Springdale cop about shit when he saw that I had a pocket knife on me. He didn't measure it but from then until they let us go he acted like I was going to jump him. Two weeks ago I was pulled over in Bentonville, officer asked if I had any loaded weapons and that was the end of the story. I am convinced that Springdale police are told that pocket knives with large blades will jump out of your pocket and run them down with their own squad car. Omni |
that cop would have shit his pants if he saw my Emerson Comander. 
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| I don't know that I would say that it is Springdale, Bentonville, Fayetteville or any particular agency. I think more than anything what you run into in NWA is that because of the rapid growth, these dept's have had to hire so many new officers. Nine times out of ten, these are young guys with 0 experience and they are very gung ho. I have been a city cop for over 12 years, and when I see that a guy has a ccw permit or knife or whatever, I am more interested in knowing what he is carrying and talking guns than anything. I know this to be true for lots of the guys I work with as well. I can't speak for specific officers or agencies, but I really believe that whether it is county, state, or city cop, it is going to depend on the individual officer. |
I guess what I was saying in my first response was that all the negative experience I've had with LE was in Springdale. From the time I started driving until now, it's always been the same. That morning I was pulled over, they were all acting unsure of me, but I had done nothing threatning to make them feel that way. I still do not know why I was pulled over in the first place. I do alot of my shopping and running late at night/early morning (Wal-Mart,bank deposits, ect...). I was driving south on 71B about two weeks ago and I had an officer do a u-turn and follow me to WalMart. I wasn't speeding or doing anything wrong, I guess he just felt like running my tags. I have a question though, When your tags are run and the vehicle registration comes back, does it say that the owner has a CCW permit?? |
This is what I've been told by a reserve deputy who is a family friend. |
It does not come back when you run a car tag. All that comes back on a vehicle license is the owner, make, model, color, insurance information, date of issue and expiration, VIN number, and whether or not there is a lein on the vehicle. If the vehicle is stolen or wanted, then that comes back also. Trust me on this one. If you have a CCW permit, it does come back when we run a driver's license check. |
| Or maybe it was The DL he was talking about . You are probably right Sarge.hock.gif |
If an officer assumes the owner is driving, can it be determined whether or not said "owner/driver" has a CCW, without viewing their drivers' license? Can you not cross-reference the information? |
In order to determine if the individual driving the vehicle has a CCW permit, without seeing the permit, the officer must check the driver's license of the indidvidual. Could the officer assume that the owner is the driver and based on that information run the driver's license?? It is possible, but it is HIGHLY unlikely that the officer would go to that length of trouble without having a legitimate reason. The officer would have to have the dispatcher check the driver's license by name only. That would bring up everyone in the state with the same name. The dispatcher would then need to be able to determine which of these people was the actual owner of the vehicle. Can it be done?? Absolutely. Is it done often, and for no reason?? No. I would say that I see this done on maybe 1 out of 300 vehicle license checks. Probably fewer than that actually. I have also never seen an officer find out that someone has a CCW permit and assume that that means that they are up to something or anymore of a threat than someone else. What I assume when I hear that someone has a permit is that they have passed a background check, and they have gone through the trouble of getting a permit, so they are probably a pretty legit person. I try to treat each traffic stop and contact with a citizen courteously and professionaly regardless of who they are, and I honestly believe that the vast majority of officers do the same. |