Posted: 2/5/2012 1:32:08 PM EDT
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Will be sending my ticket off tomorrow for variation on FAC shotgun for practical/target comps. I know that I'll have to have a condition added to hold solid slug, but do you need to specify quantities as with other firearm ammunition i.e buy 100, hold 200? If the answer is yes, what typical quantities are you all holding? thanks in advance |
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(not that i have ever been able to buy anywhere near those quantities.... think i last time i bought some they were £16 for 25 (S&B Practical)  Yeah, it's incredibly expensive just for the cheap stuff (if you find proper hunting varieties, the price usually gets much, much worse). I think 60p a cartridge is good value these days, but I hardly buy any since they stopped us firing it at local ranges, and Bisley doesn't like it being used either. Apparently you can produce cartridges at very good prices if you load them, but you'll need to cast the slug as factory loadable slug is also expensive and poor in variety. I tried casting them and just couldn't get them right; it isn't as easy as a pistol calibre bullet. I'm sure the Four4Islands shooters could help with loading them, and you'll probably be shooting with them anyway. |
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100/300... Have mine for Deer also, allows use over private land.... they used to put a condition on that it was "only to be used on a range with a UKPSA pre-approved course of fire"...... that has now been removed... Avon & Somerset insisted on that condition when I got my shotgun, I'll be asking them to take it off when renewal time comes round. Slugs, I've got keep 250, buy 200. |
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100/300... Have mine for Deer also, allows use over private land.... they used to put a condition on that it was "only to be used on a range with a UKPSA pre-approved course of fire"...... that has now been removed... Avon & Somerset insisted on that condition when I got my shotgun, I'll be asking them to take it off when renewal time comes round. Slugs, I've got keep 250, buy 200. Solid slug buy 200 keep 250 .... Devon and Cornwall - mine says to be used for target shooting on ranges Suitable for safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements to meet Any injury or claim. This clause applies to all firearms on my ticket as I only shoot on ranges . |
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dont know if it is needed, but Devon and Cornwall also put on mine that I may use it for clay shooting. Well mine doesn't say I can't use for clays. 
No, maybe not, but there may be a condition that says only for practical or the destruction of vermin. And then some bollocks about the UKPSA. |
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dont know if it is needed, but Devon and Cornwall also put on mine that I may use it for clay shooting. Well mine doesn't say I can't use for clays.
No, maybe not, but there may be a condition that says only for practical or the destruction of vermin. And then some bollocks about the UKPSA. ACR gave me some great advice about my shotgun application years ago when they brought up the uk psa bollox Cert came back for target shotgun, practical shotgun, vermin and clays no issue Cant remember the detail though...... Paul? Rich |
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dont know if it is needed, but Devon and Cornwall also put on mine that I may use it for clay shooting. Well mine doesn't say I can't use for clays.
No, maybe not, but there may be a condition that says only for practical or the destruction of vermin. And then some bollocks about the UKPSA. ACR gave me some great advice about my shotgun application years ago when they brought up the uk psa bollox Cert came back for target shotgun, practical shotgun, vermin and clays no issue Cant remember the detail though...... Paul? Rich Not a lot of bloody good then. 
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mine just says that its to be used at approved ranges etc with adequate insurance etc etc like the rest of my target guns.
I then requested that they put on the front that the sec1 shotgun may also be used for clay pigeon shooting, purely as an arse covering, with it being section 1 as opposed to the normal easy use of a sec2 I have a lovely o/u clay gun, but always nice to have the option. no mention of any of that UKPSA thingy down here, we shoot slug at the club, and thats good enough |
Reloading slug is very easy & the results are far better than shop bought & at about £16 per 100 you can shoot a lot more 
There's a" full how to " over on the F4i forum. Were loading buck/sg as well
Just get collecting lead from indoor ranges , school roof's , ect 
Hapshire is very good at allowing upto 4 sec 1 shotguns & most have for use on clays as well . Just dont buy a shotty with no choke or is hard to reload or wont hold 9 rounds ...........................
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I've got 600/1000 for slug. Sussex still put the UKPSA bit on it. My ticket reads in relation to the shotie:
"The 12 bore shotgun and solid slug ammunition shall be used for target shooting A) on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim, or B) over a course of fire approved by a qualified member of the UKPSA on land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. The 12 bore shotgun may also be used for shooting vermin and ground game on land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. It may also be used for clay pigeon shooting. The 12 bore solid slug ammunition may be used as approved by exception under the deer act, in relation to deer causing damage to crops or to humanely destroy injured deer. The 12 bore shotgun may also be used for the slaughter of wild boar." |
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ACR gave me some great advice about my shotgun application years ago when they brought up the uk psa bollox He might try getting the variation on the grounds he wants the shotgun and ammunition for participating in the events at Bisley, or whatever his local equivalent is. That was enough to discourage the need to join the UKPSA down here. |
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mine just says that its to be used at approved ranges etc with adequate insurance etc etc like the rest of my target guns. I then requested that they put on the front that the sec1 shotgun may also be used for clay pigeon shooting, purely as an arse covering, with it being section 1 as opposed to the normal easy use of a sec2 I have a lovely o/u clay gun, but always nice to have the option. no mention of any of that UKPSA thingy down here, we shoot slug at the club, and thats good enough Most clay grounds are not approved ranges unfortunately so you'll need the clay shooting condition |
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Most clay grounds are not approved ranges unfortunately.  I was commenting on the condition that said it was only to be used on approved ranges. Do keep up, please. I know...................... The responsibility will now be placed more firmly on range owners/operators to ensure that their range is constructed and maintained safely. Failure to do so will leave them liable to sanctions under a range of legislation, such as the Occupiers' Liability Act 1957, the Occupiers' Liability (Scotland) Act 1960 and the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974. See Annex A for further details. The criteria for club approval and affected certificate conditions have been revised to remove references to Ministry of Defence safety certificates (see Annex B). The revised club criteria and certificate conditions now include a requirement for owners/operators of ranges to have in place adequate financial arrangements to meet any injury or damage claims. In most cases this will be insurance cover. However, other arrangements are acceptable so long as they provide adequate cover. For example, some local authority ranges deposit a bond to cover their risk. Military ranges, which are regularly inspected, will normally cover their own risk. If it is insured it is a Range Best to get the S1 for clays use on the FAC Although the Home Office only mentions S1 restrictions wrt Practical Target Shooting |
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Most clay grounds are not approved ranges unfortunately. I was commenting on the condition that said it was only to be used on approved ranges. Do keep up, please. I know...................... The responsibility will now be placed more firmly on range owners/operators to ensure that their range is constructed and maintained safely. Failure to do so will leave them liable to sanctions under a range of legislation, such as the Occupiers' Liability Act 1957, the Occupiers' Liability (Scotland) Act 1960 and the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974. See Annex A for further details. The criteria for club approval and affected certificate conditions have been revised to remove references to Ministry of Defence safety certificates (see Annex B). The revised club criteria and certificate conditions now include a requirement for owners/operators of ranges to have in place adequate financial arrangements to meet any injury or damage claims. In most cases this will be insurance cover. However, other arrangements are acceptable so long as they provide adequate cover. For example, some local authority ranges deposit a bond to cover their risk. Military ranges, which are regularly inspected, will normally cover their own risk. If it is insured it is a Range Best to get the S1 for clays use on the FAC Although the Home Office only mentions S1 restrictions wrt Practical Target Shooting I hate to go on about bloody stupid rules that do nothing to improve safety again... but here goes.
I have an S1 shotgun which I couldn't use last weekend because my club secretary decided not to tick the target shotgun box (which is my problem and I will deal with it) On my FAC I have a target shotgun/range condition, a clay pigeon shooting condition, and an open ticket for birds, game, vermin within the law etc. Basically a full house. So that means that I couldn't use my Section 1 shotgun to shoot the PSG match, but I could have brought the same gun to Bisley and used it to shoot clays 
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Most clay grounds are not approved ranges unfortunately. I was commenting on the condition that said it was only to be used on approved ranges. Do keep up, please. I know...................... The responsibility will now be placed more firmly on range owners/operators to ensure that their range is constructed and maintained safely. Failure to do so will leave them liable to sanctions under a range of legislation, such as the Occupiers' Liability Act 1957, the Occupiers' Liability (Scotland) Act 1960 and the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974. See Annex A for further details. The criteria for club approval and affected certificate conditions have been revised to remove references to Ministry of Defence safety certificates (see Annex B). The revised club criteria and certificate conditions now include a requirement for owners/operators of ranges to have in place adequate financial arrangements to meet any injury or damage claims. In most cases this will be insurance cover. However, other arrangements are acceptable so long as they provide adequate cover. For example, some local authority ranges deposit a bond to cover their risk. Military ranges, which are regularly inspected, will normally cover their own risk. If it is insured it is a Range Best to get the S1 for clays use on the FAC Although the Home Office only mentions S1 restrictions wrt Practical Target Shooting I hate to go on about bloody stupid rules that do nothing to improve safety again... but here goes.
I have an S1 shotgun which I couldn't use last weekend because my club secretary decided not to tick the target shotgun box (which is my problem and I will deal with it) On my FAC I have a target shotgun/range condition, a clay pigeon shooting condition, and an open ticket for birds, game, vermin within the law etc. Basically a full house. So that means that I couldn't use my Section 1 shotgun to shoot the PSG match, but I could have brought the same gun to Bisley and used it to shoot clays
Absofuckinglootely ridiculous. 
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On mine I have the following conditions...
"The firearms and ammunition shall be used for target shooting, and only whilst a member of the NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION, on ranges suitable for the safe use of that class of firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim The 12 bore shotguns and solid slug ammunition to which this certificate relates shall be used for practical target shooting:- A. On ranges suitable for the safe use of that firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim, or: B. Over a course of fire approved by a qualified member of the UKPSA on land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot. The 12 bore shotguns may also be used for clay pigeon shooting." Given that the UKPSA say that a "qualified person" is any member of the UKPSA it means I can "approve" a course of fire for myself so long as I'm a member, but honestly I'd rather not renew in April. Not all the practical shotgun I do may be on an official "range", as in ACRs post, but I have insurance through BASC so what wording should I ask for, otherwise I just stay a member of the UKPSA for another year and wait for four4islands to be officially recognised. |
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Most clay grounds are not approved ranges unfortunately. I was commenting on the condition that said it was only to be used on approved ranges. Do keep up, please. I know...................... The responsibility will now be placed more firmly on range owners/operators to ensure that their range is constructed and maintained safely. Failure to do so will leave them liable to sanctions under a range of legislation, such as the Occupiers' Liability Act 1957, the Occupiers' Liability (Scotland) Act 1960 and the Health & Safety at Work Act 1974. See Annex A for further details. The criteria for club approval and affected certificate conditions have been revised to remove references to Ministry of Defence safety certificates (see Annex B). The revised club criteria and certificate conditions now include a requirement for owners/operators of ranges to have in place adequate financial arrangements to meet any injury or damage claims. In most cases this will be insurance cover. However, other arrangements are acceptable so long as they provide adequate cover. For example, some local authority ranges deposit a bond to cover their risk. Military ranges, which are regularly inspected, will normally cover their own risk. If it is insured it is a Range Best to get the S1 for clays use on the FAC Although the Home Office only mentions S1 restrictions wrt Practical Target Shooting I hate to go on about bloody stupid rules that do nothing to improve safety again... but here goes.
I have an S1 shotgun which I couldn't use last weekend because my club secretary decided not to tick the target shotgun box (which is my problem and I will deal with it) On my FAC I have a target shotgun/range condition, a clay pigeon shooting condition, and an open ticket for birds, game, vermin within the law etc. Basically a full house. So that means that I couldn't use my Section 1 shotgun to shoot the PSG match, but I could have brought the same gun to Bisley and used it to shoot clays
Absofuckinglootely ridiculous. London Practical Shooting Club
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Not all the practical shotgun I do may be on an official "range", as in ACRs post, but I have insurance through BASC so what wording should I ask for, otherwise I just stay a member of the UKPSA for another year and wait for four4islands to be officially recognised. Yes, to comply with the conditions on your licence you have the liability insurance and so can shoot 'where it is safe to do so' or 'suitable for the safe use of that firearm', others still have the 'on approved ranges' condition and no mention of clays. I'd leave the conditions as they are or try and get the UKPSA bit removed. It's all BS especially the UKPSA condition as they are not the governing body for all PSG/slug/shotgun matches in the UK, although (though they don't specifically say so) they don't seem to denounce it quite enough to those who do think so. ETA: The 12 bore shotguns and solid slug ammunition to which this certificate relates shall be used for practical target shooting:- A. On ranges suitable for the safe use of that firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim, or: B. Over a course of fire approved by a qualified member of the UKPSA on land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot.
looks like, according to your conditions, if the UKPSA approve the CoF then the land doesn't have to be suitable for the safe use of that firearm as long as you have permission
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Not all the practical shotgun I do may be on an official "range", as in ACRs post, but I have insurance through BASC so what wording should I ask for, otherwise I just stay a member of the UKPSA for another year and wait for four4islands to be officially recognised. Yes, to comply with the conditions on your licence you have the liability insurance and so can shoot 'where it is safe to do so' or 'suitable for the safe use of that firearm', others still have the 'on approved ranges' condition and no mention of clays. I'd leave the conditions as they are or try and get the UKPSA bit removed. It's all BS especially the UKPSA condition as they are not the governing body for all PSG/slug/shotgun matches in the UK, although (though they don't specifically say so) they don't seem to denounce it quite enough to those who do think so. ETA: The 12 bore shotguns and solid slug ammunition to which this certificate relates shall be used for practical target shooting:- A. On ranges suitable for the safe use of that firearm and with adequate financial arrangements in place to meet any injury or damage claim, or: B. Over a course of fire approved by a qualified member of the UKPSA on land over which the holder has lawful authority to shoot.
looks like, according to your conditions, if the UKPSA approve the CoF then the land doesn't have to be suitable for the safe use of that firearm as long as you have permission It's not the UKPSA that approve the course of fire, it's any member details here and yes, the word "or" just before option "B" does seem to say that. |
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slug = buy 75, possess 100
...and that is after about 3 or 4 increases: my first one was for something like 32 slug only, to only be bought/used on a named date when I was shooting at Bisley. Had a very, very, gradual increase in the limits since - even though I have done a recognised course, supplied ACPO/HO guidelines on slug to the FEO/HQ, etc. STILL well below the suggested limits that others have posted & which seem to be the UK recognised amounts!! Wording has the UKPSA clause in it too - but also allows use on MoD type ranges which allow slug |