Posted: 1/23/2008 10:16:39 AM EDT
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I know someone here has to know, what is the number of required US parts to build a Fal? |
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with muzzle device or with out? let see going make me think. i want to say its 6 with out and 7 with, i think. i gave all my stuff to Kerry. what you can buy receiver sotck pistol girp hang guards fire control parts. piston. charging handle. the one i sold erik had more. i would prefer to use the orginal fire control parts since the us are well there crap. i might have a piston you can have. Ronald |
Sweet, It will have a muzzle device, probably something that resembles a vortex. |
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7 parts, then if i remember correctly. so you would go gas piston( i have its yours) Receiver i figure your going Dsa penguin or iron wood stock set. vortex by smith if they do one or if you can find a fse you can put one just like the imbel. charging handle us. that way you can use original trigger parts. Ronald here you go for parts. estore.websitepros.com/832529/Categories.bok?category=FAL%2FL1A1+US+Made++922R+Compliant+Parts |
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FAL has 17 parts on the ATF 922(r) List: Frames, receivers, receiver castings, forgings, or castings Barrels Muzzle attachments Bolts Bolt carriers Operating rods Gas pistons Trigger housings Triggers Hammers Sears Buttstocks Pistol grips Forearms, handguards Magazine bodies Followers Floor plates You will need 7 US parts. If you will not be using the flash hider, you will need 6 US parts. |
Always nice to have friends who work for the federal govt  , Thanks Ken
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And have access to Google!
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I was not cheating just utilizing resources. 
I have heard that Falcon Arms makes the best but are spendy. Link to Falcon Arms Hammer, Trigger, & Sear |
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Ok, I'm thinking Receiver FCG Furniture (DSA OD Green) this gets me 7 US parts, the combined price of furniture and the fcg is about 170.00, and the receiver is necessary regardless, so SBR is 6 one way 1/2 dozen the other. Next question, Someone told me that Fals are scope killers, does this mean that a good scope will still fail? IE Leupold/Nikon? |
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First Son Enterprises made great fire control groups years ago. Then they got tired of everyone bitching about their great fire control groups were still only single stage and non-adjustable, and how $40 was way too much money, so they closed their doors and posted on FalFiles that everyone there could go suck-start a shotgun barrel for all they cared. I still run my FSE trigger group in my FAL. Funny, it works just fine and breaks clean. That was years ago. Now Falfiles is a shadow of its former self, but you might register there and see if anyone knows of other sources for US parts. Used to be you could get them everywhere, people just now getting into FALs are late to the party by a few years. EDIT: I'm the one that told Josh that FALs are scope killers. I also told DBAR that shortly before his FAL broke its optic. You need an optic that is shock resistant in two directions, not just one, even some relatively expensive optics are configured to resist the recoil impulse but not the force of the action slamming shut, which is quite violent in the FAL and is a force imparted in exactly the opposite direction from recoil force. Most of the optics you see on FALs in the real world are simple, overengineered, low power affairs such as the S.U.I.T./Trilux and Elcan. Again, you might want to register on the FALfiles and ask them what people have had good luck with. |
I don't know why anyone would be getting into semi-auto .308s right now. Crap, I see people on the EE here just trying to get their money out of HK91s and PTR-91s. Don't see alot of takers either. Nothing like paying 50 cents a shot for a gun that's going to mangle the brass from every round you shoot. Even with surplus ammo if you expend four magazines its more than a tankful of gas. I don't even shoot my FAL anymore, it just sits there. Every once in awhile I think about the hundreds of dollars I could raise by selling off my 7.62 NATO stash, but I need it for TSHTF purposes. |
I don't know why anyone would be getting into semi-auto .308s right now. Crap, I see people on the EE here just trying to get their money out of HK91s and PTR-91s. Don't see alot of takers either. Nothing like paying 50 cents a shot for a gun that's going to mangle the brass from every round you shoot. Even with surplus ammo if you expend four magazines its more than a tankful of gas. Well, my simple reasoning is that ammo will always be available, even if pricey, and in a SHTF situation a DMR in a solid caliber would be a good thing to have, I have AKs and ARs that fill the "blaster" role I considered something along the lines of a PSL, but I believe the FAL to be a better choice for this role, parts and mags are cheaper than almost any 308 semi out there, and it doesn't have the "fluted" chamber like the HK pattern guns so it won't kill my brass, What optic did DBAR kill on his FAL? |
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I'm not sure what he had on his FAL, I'll ask him the next time I talk to him. I'll agree that a scoped FAL would make an excellent DMR and I'd certainly take one over a PSL. Sometimes they ding the case mouth on the way out of the ejection port, but if you get the gas system adjusted right you can usually save the brass from a FAL. Its got a beefy extractor that isn't too hard on casing rims at all. I should feed mine some of my badass handloads sometime and see what she'll really do. Of course that would be a waste since mine only has irons. Back in the day I always daydreamed about putting a higher-powered ACOG on my FAL, like one of the big 5.5x mothers. They are built tough enough that they would last, I'm sure. Of course I never put the money together to blow on the setup, and then my FAL got put out to pasture by ammo prices. But you have to admit, this would be a hell of a combo when paired with an accurate .308 semiauto. www.midwayusa.com/eproductpage.exe/showproduct?saleitemid=728956&t=11082005 Anyway, so if you do this as a DMR, are you going to sight it in for the first shot chambered manually, or subsequent shots chambered by the gas action of the rifle? Because there will be two distinct points of impact, similar to the Clean Cold Bore shot of a bolt action. One will be the zero and the other will have to be a holdover or a known number of turret clicks. |
Nice try but a SBR FAL is still a rifle, subject to 922(r) and must have US parts. However, 922(r) does not apply to AOWs, pistols, or machineguns. 
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You sure? Sbr is an NFA item, everyone that constructs AKs seems to have the opposite view, ORF for example. A link to a statute would be nice if you are sure, I've always sided with the guys that build em
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Depends on the difference, If the first shot cold/manually loaded is only marginally different as with an AR I probably won't worry about it, if there is more than a couple inches at 100yds I will sight in for the following shots and zero the turrets for that point and keep track of where it needs to be for the cold bore shot, but I expect it should be minute-of-crackhead out to 600 yards (approx 2 moa) The Fal Files guys say to stay away from cheap optics, I might go with another Nikon Mil-dot like my Savage has
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Am I sure? No, but read this: Link to BATFE document - Building a Firearm And.. Link to USC to UMP conversion I would get a letter from the BATFE stating it is okay to build a SBR FAL without the proper US parts count before building one. Then the worst thing that could happen is the BATFE would reverse their position and take your FAL from you. |
No intention of building an SBR FAL, Probably not a terrible idea to err on the side of caution, however, I don't see it being required (NFA item) |
| I really like how mine handles w/18" barrel, but like Duke I have not had it out much due to ammo costs. The scope mount that was recommended to me was theDSA extreme duty scope mount w/brass saver. The brass saver comes off easily for when shooting berdan primed surplus and makes it easy to recover brass when using the boxer primed. |
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well i must have had a bad FSE trigger, Remember Mike? mine would go full auto with that trigger, thats why i made sure i got extra us parts and put a regular fire control group in and then the fal run like a champ. who am i to talk i got back in the 308 game after being out of it at this time. with the m1a and the 1919. Ronald |
Ditto my HK clones. Just can't afford to replenish the ammo that gets shot.  C'mon LOTTERY! "Hundreds of dollars" worth of ammo? I don't think that quite meets the specs of a "stash". 
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Just do what some of my cop buddies, who are the "tactical" guys in their respective metro area PDs, do. As you head out the door, pump a round into the ground before you get to where you're going. So much for that "cold" shot, eh? Seriously though, Duke is right. I'd jsut shoot it enough to know where each shot is going to go. In most non match-chambered guns I'd bet the difference won't be that much or at least not enough to matter. Minute of BG, dontcha know.
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| Bah... Actually the FAL is an excellent weapon, I have a kit to build too. Great rifles, accurate etc. I saw Duke drop a BUNCH of shots of surplus from his FAL into a 600 yard target full size sillhouette and a respectable group size for iron sights too! But Duke does have the nicest FAL I have ever seen! When he buys the farm and we divy up his gear, I get his FAL. |
Ok, I guess I'll have to settle for the 1911, I've even considered floating the bbl, but the jury is still out for sure on that though. |