Posted: 1/6/2008 3:51:53 PM EDT
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I purchased a 9" upper for my 9mm AR. It's going to be deliverd and stored at my friendly FFL until I get my stamp but I need advice from those who have traveled this path before me. Does anyone know if Tomball CLEO Chief Blake will sign a Form I. If not I'll be going the trust route using Quicken Will Maker so any advice would be greatly appreciated. Can I specify more then one caliber on the form one and can I specify the barrel length as 5"- 15" As far as engraving the receiver who do you recommend? Thanks to All, Glock9 |
People used to get away with multiple calibers, and different lengths, but not anymore.... they have been coming back rejected. They want one caliber, and one length. Then, if you purchase an additional upper or change it later, you send a letter to your examiner stating to please add to your file that you are now using a x length, and y caliber. |
If you are a resident of Tomball, you can try the Tomball Police Chief and the Harris County Sheriff, among others.
Keith-TX is local and he does good work. |
hey falarak, what happens if you sbr is registered 9mm, 6", but you then throw a .223 upper at 11.5" without the update letter? is it treated the same an unregistered nfa item or what? and how much would the forms cost? and how many can you send at once? for instance, i build an sbr and register it as x caliber and y barrel length, then send in 20 forms at the same time for the most popular caliber/barrel length configs, is that kosher? |
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From what I understand you can swap out uppers on a temporary basis, Lets say yours is registered as a 10.5 inch barrel, .223 caliber. You can swap on a 9mm upper while you are at the range or training somewhere. But when that change becomes permanent is when you have to write the ATF. To answer your other question, if you send in 20 form 1's. you better send in $4,000 as well. |
I am not an expert here.... I understand that this is one of those "open to interpretation" deals just like the M16 carrier issue was several years back. I dont know of any cases where someone was arrested or prosecuted for having a different upper than what was described on their form1/form4. There are guys in the NFA forums who can speak better to a specific legal question... I would ask there. |
will do, and i didnt realize that it was a form 1 for 200 bucks a pop. wow. |
He won't. I tried to get him to sign a Form 4 for a supressor already. In September he told me over the phone that he would but when it came time to do it in November he said "After talking to my Captain we decided it wouldn't be a good idea, sorry bud." and hung up the phone. I had to go the trust route. You won't have any luck with the Harris County Sheriff's Dept either. They have the same stance as the HPD police chief, and that is no suppressors, SBRs, or MGs. |
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Well, I liked Houston, but now I'm glad I came back to DFW. I didn't realize that Barney Fife could over-rule federal laws... They can just tell you that you can't do it, even though it's legal???
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All they can do is refuse to sign, which in their mind only prevents you from owning NFA. The guy I talked to (Michael Blake, Chief of Police Tomball) had no clue about the NFA process or the fact I could use a Trust, LLC, or Corp to bypass him. He hung up on me before I could educate him. I've been thinking about writing a lengthy letter to do just that. |
Ayep. CLEO signoff is one of the requirements for an individual. CLEO has no guidelines as to his responsibility.... it is simply his choice on how he wants to handle these... he can sign all, some, or none. |
Which is why Texas needs to pass a statute similar to the one Tennessee has on the books already:
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I wonder if we could get the TSRA to push that through. |
That is KICK ASS. I wonder who championed it? I think that would take a state congressman who is personally interested in NFA weapons to push something through like that.... and I dont see it happening in Texas. |
That would kick ass, I'll bet Harold Hurt would cry everytime he had to sign one. |
The maker (individual, trust, etc.) needs to engrave the frame, receiver, or barrel with the maker's name, city and state (or recognized abbreviations thereof).
You can find the requirements in 27 CFR 479.102. |
Your odds aren't good. Law enforcement agencies in and around Harris county are pretty anti-gun, especially considering we're in Texas. |
Go to the general Class 3 section and read to your hearts content. After that do a few google searches. I formed my trust, filled out the form one correctly and got it back in five weeks. All from reading, who would have thought of that? I heard that Rosenthal will sign off on them if you let him kiss you behind the ear. 
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Tomball Chief Blake signed my form 1. WOO HOO! I stopped by Monday to talk to the chief but he was out so I left my paperwork and offered my CHL and MIL ID as proof I was a good guy and expected a call from him to discuss but he never called. So yesterday I went the trust route and sent out my paperwork figuring if he didn't call in 3 days he probably wasn't going to sign off on them. Well today I get a call from his office saying they were signed and I could pick them up. Looks like we a have a decent CLEO in Tomball. Glock9 |