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Members only, I'm not sure if this will work.

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Members only, I'm not sure if this will work.

http://www.airgunbbs.com/showthread.php?520890-Interesting-election-result-in-Barnsley.

Andy.

Yes it does.

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Of course it does..................if you're a member

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Lol, oh yeah.

Never mind you've all missed out on a bloody good libtard kicking.

Andy.

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My take on it is, the vast majority of members are shall we say 'right wing' & the owner of the site doesn't want any negative publicity when members wade into the the resident libtards.

Andy.

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This is true, wor betide you if you suggest that not all Muslims are terrorists like I did.

Lots of hardcore right wingers. According to some of them I'm a liberal minded wuss because I think that the BNP/EDL are a bunch of lunatics

Probably nothing more than you would see in GD but the BBS owners are being sensibly cautious

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This is true, wor betide you if you suggest that not all Muslims are terrorists like I did.

Lots of hardcore right wingers. According to some of them I'm a liberal minded wuss because I think that the BNP/EDL are a bunch of lunatics

Probably nothing more than you would see in GD but the BBS owners are being sensibly cautious

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This is true, wor betide you if you suggest that not all Muslims are terrorists like I did.

Lots of hardcore right wingers. According to some of them I'm a liberal minded wuss because I think that the BNP/EDL are a bunch of lunatics

Probably nothing more than you would see in GD but the BBS owners are being sensibly cautious

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They have a right to think what the like and say what they feel. I don't necessarily share the same views but I wouldn't deny someone right to state their opinion

Freedom of speech and all that. I don't agree with what everyone says but they have a right to say it and have their views contested accordingly

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Freedom of speech and all that.

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They don't seem to take a Freedom of Speech view when they ban anyone that says anything they disagree with!!

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You've got a bloody good point there

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true .

last time i was on, i started a thread with the title " plastic or wood " and got banned .

some folks are just odd
 

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How did you get banned for that?



There's loads of synthetic and wooden stocks out there.  I don't get it?

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no idea 3 accounts locked in a week and one i never even posted with, but back then i think they just binned any new members , i blame mark . never bothered to try after that , but it seems you are doing ok



 

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This takes some beating, Funkys story time

Of course Labour Won.

Let me tell you a story.....

There was once a town called Barnsley. It was full of people who worked hard in the mining and glass blowing industries that supported their community.

The one day Socialism came calling and Barnsley turned from being a joyous place of hard work and earned reward to a left wing socialist shithole with greedy thick people who lived underground and worshipped a lunatic communist with shredded wheat on his head.

The greedy Barnsley Trolls thought that there was an endless supply of money coming from the Govt and decided that they wanted it all. So they stopped working and demanded more money. At first the sympathetic Red Labour King of the day started giving money away like it was water, and the trolls rejoiced.

Soon lots of industries around the country decided they wanted some money and they all stopped working to get their free money and held the country to ransom.

Pretty soon the money ran out, and the Red Labour King was unable to pay any more money. The King left town leaving a big shit sammich for everyone to eat. This made the non-troll people angry and they voted in a Beautiful Princess called Maggie Thatcher who vowed to make the trolls work for their money and briong happiness back to everyone.

The trolls were very angry that the money had stopped and blamed the Beautiful Princess Thatcher and stopped working again, for a whole year, with the chief shredded wheat Troll shouting that there would be no more coal until the Country paid 5 x the price it was worth.

Princess Thatcher said "Sod off then, we'll buy our coal from Poland" and off she went to Poland to find Coal.

The Polish Trolls were only too eager to work hard and produce coal for the Beautiful Princess and she rewarded them well, but still at a fraction of the cost demanded by the Barnsley Trolls. The Polish coal worked better as well, and the Power Stations burned brighter than ever before.

Princess Thatcher said to the Barnsley Trolls, "We can't afford to pay you any more big money... you have to work for less or we will buy our coal from the Polish Trolls".

The Barnsley Trolls, instead of knuckling down and earning a fair wage, told Princess Thatcher to piss off and they stopped work. The Barnsley Trolls were angrly - their Greed had been their undoing.

Princess Thatcher said, you had your chance, we will buy elsewhere.

The Barnsley Trolls said "Fine " and in a big huff stomped off to sell their coal elsewhere. But it was to no avail. Nobody wanted super expensive poor quality coal that didn't have a reliable supply.... they new that the Barnsley Trolls had been unrelaible in the past.

All the mines shut down because no-one wanted the coal and the embittered little trolls vowed to hate people who didn't give them free money forever.

Whenever a brakelight comes on in Barnsley now, the trolls run out onto the streets and vote for it in the hope of getting their free money for doing sod all.

Maybe one day Barnsley will be a great town again, like it used to be, and the non troll people that live there will be happy. But unitl then, we can only watch and wonder at the inability of people to understand market forces.

The End.

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Thatcher was bad

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I got banned by association following the UKPSA air-soft safety course saga. I didn't actually say anything offensive to anyone - I even asked why I had been banned and never got a reply.

Haven't tried to go back since - I know when I'm not wanted!

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That would be funny Phil , had some of us not near starved during the strike.
If it hadn,t been for our lurchers we would have gone hungry  a hell of a lot. Why do you think i wont eat rabbit anymore ?
There was a lot more to do with union smashing than cheap coal, and lets not pretend otherwise. Thatcher was adamant she was going to finish the unions, and she did..I,m not sayng a lot wasn,t right, or deserved. My Dad dindn,t believe in the strike, we all knew it was illegal, but some things you just dont do...scabbing being one of them. My Family are miners, going back generations, i was the first that was not. Please dont tar us all with the same brush. The shithole , cesspit that Barnsley is now is a direct result of what Thatcher did to the miners. When the pits were open, there was jobs, money, prosperity and no immigrants. Look at it now.
Scargill was wrong in starting the strike, and has to take some blame, but Thatcher was as bad...and you know i,m a tory.
Labour are a disgrace, they have just locked up the last MP. They only got back in because they put up a man from the Army, and Barnsley people love a soldier just like everyone else does.I watched the main people talking on the tele just the other night. The Tory was some inbred fuckwit, the bnp was some corseyedge whore, who couldn,t string a sentence together, the libdem was irrelevant, and there was even some brokentoothed tit from the English defence league.
Barnsley is an utter disgrace.Its packed with foreigners, idle bastards, waynetta,s and sad, hollow shells that were one proud working men. Its interesting to watch labour slowly losing their stranglehold on power though...as the old miners pass on.

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Sorry, probably my fault (X-Ring/10-Wash)

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It wasn't meant to be funny, mate.  It was a scathing and cynical indictment of a socialist view that blames Thatcher (and Thatcher alone) for the demise of the UK mining industry and just about every other ill the country has faced since.

People near starved because they were not going out to work to earn a wage.  Hard as that time was, the fact remains that people chose to strike instead of working. That's the cold hard facts of it.

I remember my Mother and Father being absolutely stone cold broke back then as well while both working full time, and they only ate alternate days so that us kids could eat and get the nourishment we needed.  Why?  Because wages couldn't keep up with rampant inflation.  I remember the power cuts and remeber my father explaining what was happening and why we could no longer have a TV, or the the heating on

The unions had the country in a stranglehold and had been extorting money for the UK Govt for years before the Miners Strike.   They wanted more and more and more and in the end the country couldn't afford to pay . The Unions held the country to ransom by stopping feeding the powerstations and using nationalised industry to hold the then Labour Govt to ransom by making industry and the population suffer.

When the money ran out the high costs were unsustainable and the nationalised industries began to collapse  The nation had no choice but to turn on the Unions and threatened to get the coal elsewhere.  Skargill refused to back down and encouraged the strike to continue.  Thatcher came through on her promise and bought cheaper better coal from abroad and the UK Coal industry, unable to sell it's coal at home or abroad because it wasn't competitve, died.  Thatcher didn't kill UK coal mining. UK Coal Mining committed suicide though Skargill.

Thatcher vowed to never again let the nation be held to ransom by it's own nationalised industry, and she sold them off to recover funds and let those industries find their own way in a competitive market environment.

You and I both know Barnsley has an incredible industrial past.  It's demise is down to the fact that it's industry didn't remain competitive. We have been paying the price of the Union stranglehold ever since and only now are we beginning to become innovative enough to start rebuilding new industries.

It was a crap time, but market forces dictate that you cannot sustain an industry that is costs more than it is worth.  You have the weakness of  the Labour Govt of the day to thank for the power the Unions gained and and the unsustainable economic position the Mining Industry found itself in.

Whether you agree with that or not is up to you.  I stand by my view and I am able to qualify my beliefs.

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A lot of what you say is true there Phil. What you fail to grasp entirely is the fact that miners simply could not go back to work . Dont let any prick tell you they could, because the repercussions were dire. I personally know of Arson, punishment beatings, people having to move, whole families never spoken to, or about again , dogs poisoned, kids bullied etc...the list is endless, AND STILL CONTINUES TO THIS DAY, for men who "scabbed" It was simply not done.

If you think that destroying the whole mineing industry in Yorkshire, along with all its communities was a price worth paying for cheap polish coal, then i pity you.

I speak as somone who actually experienced it. The depravation, the hunger, the stigma of being on strike , watching the young kids going to school in cast-offs at best, mostly a lot worse. I watched my Father sell anything that wasn,t nailed down to feed us, and a lifetimes hard work sold for food. I also remember my Dad physically ramming two 50p vouchers for the co-op down a union mans throat....it was the only thing we recieved from the NUM in 12 months.

Forget the politics of who did what in parliament, or whether it was right or wrong. The end result was a whole destroyed community of hundreds of thousands. We never recovered, and neither has the area. The whole Dearne valley regeneration is a crock of shit. They built a whole stream of warehouses down the parkway, and 15 years on, the vast majority are still empty. The taken ones are call centres.

I can quantify my words with hard experience of it buddy...i still live, and have to make my living in the shithole.

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A lot of what you say is true there Phil. What you fail to grasp entirely is the fact that miners simply could not go back to work . Dont let any prick tell you they could, because the repercussions were dire. I personally know of Arson, punishment beatings, people having to move, whole families never spoken to, or about again , dogs poisoned, kids bullied etc...the list is endless, AND STILL CONTINUES TO THIS DAY, for men who "scabbed" It was simply not done.

If you think that destroying the whole mineing industry in Yorkshire, along with all its communities was a price worth paying for cheap polish coal, then i pity you.

I speak as somone who actually experienced it. The depravation, the hunger, the stigma of being on strike , watching the young kids going to school in cast-offs at best, mostly a lot worse. I watched my Father sell anything that wasn,t nailed down to feed us, and a lifetimes hard work sold for food. I also remember my Dad physically ramming two 50p vouchers for the co-op down a union mans throat....it was the only thing we recieved from the NUM in 12 months.

Forget the politics of who did what in parliament, or whether it was right or wrong. The end result was a whole destroyed community of hundreds of thousands. We never recovered, and neither has the area. The whole Dearne valley regeneration is a crock of shit. They built a whole stream of warehouses down the parkway, and 15 years on, the vast majority are still empty. The taken ones are call centres.

I can quantify my words with hard experience of it buddy...i still live, and have to make my living in the shithole.

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In conflict, stupidity and courage are frequent bedfellows.

Personally, I've never believed in blind loyalty, come crunch time I make my own decisions, and stand or fall by them. That's why I fell out with the Royal Navy and in my Plod activities I prefer working the streets................

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Thanks for that Dave.

It sounds to me like a Mining Mafia were terrorising people into striking.  That in itself was why the Unions needed to be crushed.   From what you are saying. and as I remember it, it was ordinary people who were intimidated into striking against their will by the Union thugs.

It's not about what I think either.  I'm not the person who dragged the Yorkshire community through the shit . Pity me or not, I'm irrelevant in this, but you have just said yourself that the miners destroyed their own communities with their mafia like thuggery and terror campaigns.  Was breaking them worth it?..... dead right it was.... those are the very things that  that needed to be broken.  The intimidation of hard working people through threats and acts  of violence should never be tollerated, and a criminal group prepared to do it should face the full force of justice.

If you want to ask the question "If you think that destroying the whole mineing industry in Yorkshire, along with all its communities was a price worth paying for cheap polish coal, then i pity you." [then really you should address it to Skargill, and the union thugs that brought the Mining Community and Britain to the impass we all witnessed

Furthermore mate, those same thugs that were intimidating people to strike set out on a deliberate course to starve the county of coal in the belief that Britain would fold to their threats and give them what they wanted.  What they didn't account for was the fact that Britain would only tollerate it for so long and then go and buy coal elswhere. By the time it came down to the wire, the UK coal industry was considered unrelaiable at best and prone to acts of extortion. The UK needed a reliable supply of cola that provided value for money. Would you deal with a supplier like that?

It's like me being a supplier of gun parts that you need to run your busness.  I keep putting the price up and just as you have got the orders from customers, I withdarw service and demand more money.  If I did that you'd tell me to piss off and go to another supplier.  That's exactly what Britain did.  Simple market forces.

Bradders is right.  "Thatcher was a Cnut".....but she had to be in order to dismantle the thuggery.  The problem is that many people I talk to still remain in victim mode and blame Thatcher, as if she disturbed some utopian and susntainable status quo.  She didn't, she broke an extortion racket the likes of which this nation has never seen before and one that few people had the balls to tackle because of the communtites that would face the bring of the battle.

It was a horrible time for some very decent folk, but it must be recognised that the Unions took the nation to that point, not the Govt.  And that was my contention in the thread from the BBS from which my comments were copied.

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You still Haven,t grasped it Phil. The NUM, WAS its members, not the small band of people who ran it. Half the membership believed in the strike, half didn,t. The half that didn,t , supported their union brothers, come what may. Thats what being a trade union member means.
The hierarchy didn,t do the violence, etc....its own members did. As i said earlier, scabbing was just not done....not by a sane man anyway.
To correct your statement too, the mining communities didn,t shut the pits down....the government did. You are quite entitled to your view, but there are many, many thousands round here who entirely disagree with it, because its simply not what happened.

There was far, far more to it, than what you believe, and both sides played a disgusting part in it. This is the reason that labour ALWAYS win in Barnsley, the tories will never sit there, because people blame them for what happened, and rightly so.

The losers were the miners, and british industry, because it was the start of the thatcher axe, that continued in the steel industry with McGregor. She fucked that up too.

Its also interesting to note that Hatfield pit was recently reopened i think, or is about to be....because the polish shite is now too expensive.

Funny that...Thatcher said that pit had run dry of coal....turns out there millions of tonnes down there still.

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One BIG problem buddy...there are no farking miners left.

Having said that, we are overrun with poles...perhaps they would like a shift or two at the face ?

Somehow i bloody doubt it.

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Dirty Steve.

Andy.

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One BIG problem buddy...there are no farking miners left.



Having said that, we are overrun with poles...perhaps they would like a shift or two at the face ?



Somehow i bloody doubt it.

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Same here in Aberdeen, many of the fish processing places around the harbour area  where our office is have a high proportion of Poles and other Baltic nationalities working there. There are a number of Polish food shops in the city, even our local Tesco 20+ miles from the city has a Polish section.  I don't have an issue with the Poles, they are civilised and willing to work bloody hard, cause little trouble and don't arrive on our shores bent on destruction of our way of life while demanding benefit handouts. Very different to the likes of that big bearded cnut who was in court last week for burning poppies.

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Well said.

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Yeah, freedom of speech etc. They always cite that when they're throwing insults around.
They wouldn't usually say it to your face though, which is convenient that they do it behind closed doors and wouldnt dare do it in public

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