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8/7/2010 1:03:14 PM EDT
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That was FUN...
Well worth the ammo expenditure...
8/7/2010 1:29:47 PM EDT
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DO WANT!  
8/7/2010 1:58:58 PM EDT
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DO WANT!  


Kinda, no VERY expensive.  Ask AFSOC to add up all the license fees for ya.  
8/7/2010 2:02:47 PM EDT
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DO WANT!  


Kinda, no VERY expensive.  Ask AFSOC to add up all the license fees for ya.  


Just so you can have one of these, (You will have to MAKE one) you would have to be a Type 07/ SOT 2

The license is not an issue $150 for 3 years I believe...
the SOT is only $500 per year and the ITAR Fees are a mere $2250 PER YEAR...

Now there is a SOT making these a select fire and an FA only... Cheap enough, but you would need to be an O1/O3 SOT and have a love letter from LE to get one... There is also the ordeal of the amount of "Demo" ammo you are going to run through!
8/7/2010 4:02:16 PM EDT
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Thats badass, would a foward grip help or hinder?



I wanna ask about muzzle climb but it looks like that wasn't an issue.





8/7/2010 4:27:02 PM EDT
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Thats badass, would a foward grip help or hinder?

I wanna ask about muzzle climb but it looks like that wasn't an issue.





I don't know if you look at the shots of me shooting there is VERY little muzzle RISE it does jump around a bit but I feel with proper grip and trigger control you could keep the entire mag on a silhouette... or a "Dude" size target.

The G21 was very controllable too, not a lot of climb...

That being said I saw a video of a similar glock on U Toob... where the user had a Mako or CAA Folding VFG, During firing the grip came loose or the Dust cover parted with the frame and the dude put a round through the back of his wrist, at an indoor range!
8/7/2010 6:50:58 PM EDT
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DO WANT!  


Kinda, no VERY expensive.  Ask AFSOC to add up all the license fees for ya.  


Just so you can have one of these, (You will have to MAKE one) you would have to be a Type 07/ SOT 2


That's not necessarily true; I know several local FFL/SOTs who have post-86 dealer sample G18s or G18Cs on LE demo letters.
8/7/2010 7:30:26 PM EDT
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Tell Josh the reason that Glock is jamming is because he is limp wristing it. Grab it like you have a pair...
8/7/2010 9:05:25 PM EDT
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Thats badass, would a foward grip help or hinder?



I wanna ask about muzzle climb but it looks like that wasn't an issue.











I don't know if you look at the shots of me shooting there is VERY little muzzle RISE it does jump around a bit but I feel with proper grip and trigger control you could keep the entire mag on a silhouette... or a "Dude" size target.



The G21 was very controllable too, not a lot of climb...



That being said I saw a video of a similar glock on U Toob... where the user had a Mako or CAA Folding VFG, During firing the grip came loose or the Dust cover parted with the frame and the dude put a round through the back of his wrist, at an indoor range!






 
8/8/2010 3:07:04 AM EDT
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DO WANT!  


Kinda, no VERY expensive.  Ask AFSOC to add up all the license fees for ya.  


Just so you can have one of these, (You will have to MAKE one) you would have to be a Type 07/ SOT 2


That's not necessarily true; I know several local FFL/SOTs who have post-86 dealer sample G18s or G18Cs on LE demo letters.


Didn't read the rest of my post did you?
8/8/2010 3:08:05 AM EDT
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Thats badass, would a foward grip help or hinder?

I wanna ask about muzzle climb but it looks like that wasn't an issue.





I don't know if you look at the shots of me shooting there is VERY little muzzle RISE it does jump around a bit but I feel with proper grip and trigger control you could keep the entire mag on a silhouette... or a "Dude" size target.

The G21 was very controllable too, not a lot of climb...

That being said I saw a video of a similar glock on U Toob... where the user had a Mako or CAA Folding VFG, During firing the grip came loose or the Dust cover parted with the frame and the dude put a round through the back of his wrist, at an indoor range!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11fcg543Jow

 


Yup That is the one!
8/8/2010 4:41:56 AM EDT
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DO WANT!  


Kinda, no VERY expensive.  Ask AFSOC to add up all the license fees for ya.  


Just so you can have one of these, (You will have to MAKE one) you would have to be a Type 07/ SOT 2


That's not necessarily true; I know several local FFL/SOTs who have post-86 dealer sample G18s or G18Cs on LE demo letters.


Didn't read the rest of my post did you?


Yes, you mentioned an SOT making select-fire and FA versions, but you never mentioned the factory G18s, so I merely wanted to point that out as another viable option.
8/8/2010 5:34:21 AM EDT
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Yes, you mentioned an SOT making select-fire and FA versions, but you never mentioned the factory G18s, so I merely wanted to point that out as another viable option.


But, not for the Average Joe.  Brand new Glock 18 select fire pistols sell for ~$900.  But again, not for the Average Joe, or more appropriately, the Average Eric.  
8/8/2010 6:36:43 AM EDT
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Yes, you mentioned an SOT making select-fire and FA versions, but you never mentioned the factory G18s, so I merely wanted to point that out as another viable option.


But, not for the Average Joe.  Brand new Glock 18 select fire pistols sell for ~$900.  But again, not for the Average Joe, or more appropriately, the Average Eric.  


And a 900 dollar pistol that you practically have to GIVE away to avoid destroying it if you surrender your license.
8/8/2010 6:53:33 AM EDT
[#15]
Damn that looked like fun.  
8/8/2010 11:28:00 AM EDT
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Yes, you mentioned an SOT making select-fire and FA versions, but you never mentioned the factory G18s, so I merely wanted to point that out as another viable option.


But, not for the Average Joe.  Brand new Glock 18 select fire pistols sell for ~$900.  But again, not for the Average Joe, or more appropriately, the Average Eric.  


And a 900 dollar pistol that you practically have to GIVE away to avoid destroying it if you surrender your license.


If an FFL/SOT surrenders their license, then another FFL/SOT can pick up their inventory of post-86 dealer samples without a law letter.
8/8/2010 2:30:03 PM EDT
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Yes, you mentioned an SOT making select-fire and FA versions, but you never mentioned the factory G18s, so I merely wanted to point that out as another viable option.


But, not for the Average Joe.  Brand new Glock 18 select fire pistols sell for ~$900.  But again, not for the Average Joe, or more appropriately, the Average Eric.  


And a 900 dollar pistol that you practically have to GIVE away to avoid destroying it if you surrender your license.


If an FFL/SOT surrenders their license, then another FFL/SOT can pick up their inventory of post-86 dealer samples without a law letter.


PLEASE show me where this is so, As I am in the process of this right now and NFA branch and ATF in general disagrees...
8/8/2010 4:24:31 PM EDT
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Yes, you mentioned an SOT making select-fire and FA versions, but you never mentioned the factory G18s, so I merely wanted to point that out as another viable option.


But, not for the Average Joe.  Brand new Glock 18 select fire pistols sell for ~$900.  But again, not for the Average Joe, or more appropriately, the Average Eric.  


And a 900 dollar pistol that you practically have to GIVE away to avoid destroying it if you surrender your license.


If an FFL/SOT surrenders their license, then another FFL/SOT can pick up their inventory of PRE-86 dealer samples without a law letter.


PLEASE show me where this is so, As I am in the process of this right now and NFA branch and ATF in general disagrees...



Fixed it for you!
8/8/2010 4:52:43 PM EDT
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Yes, you mentioned an SOT making select-fire and FA versions, but you never mentioned the factory G18s, so I merely wanted to point that out as another viable option.


But, not for the Average Joe.  Brand new Glock 18 select fire pistols sell for ~$900.  But again, not for the Average Joe, or more appropriately, the Average Eric.  


And a 900 dollar pistol that you practically have to GIVE away to avoid destroying it if you surrender your license.


If an FFL/SOT surrenders their license, then another FFL/SOT can pick up their inventory of PRE-86 dealer samples without a law letter.


PLEASE show me where this is so, As I am in the process of this right now and NFA branch and ATF in general disagrees...



Fixed it for you!


Thanks Bob, didn't think I was losing what is left of my mind!
8/9/2010 6:22:03 AM EDT
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Yes, you mentioned an SOT making select-fire and FA versions, but you never mentioned the factory G18s, so I merely wanted to point that out as another viable option.


But, not for the Average Joe.  Brand new Glock 18 select fire pistols sell for ~$900.  But again, not for the Average Joe, or more appropriately, the Average Eric.  


And a 900 dollar pistol that you practically have to GIVE away to avoid destroying it if you surrender your license.


If an FFL/SOT surrenders their license, then another FFL/SOT can pick up their inventory of POST-86 dealer samples without a law letter.


PLEASE show me where this is so, As I am in the process of this right now and NFA branch and ATF in general disagrees...


Fixed it for you!


I changed it back to read POST-86.

There was nothing in my statement which needed to be fixed; the only thing I should have clarified is the recipient must be an 07/02 FFL/SOT (manufacturer), not merely an SOT dealer.  It's in the ATF regs.
8/9/2010 7:08:22 AM EDT
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Yes, you mentioned an SOT making select-fire and FA versions, but you never mentioned the factory G18s, so I merely wanted to point that out as another viable option.


But, not for the Average Joe.  Brand new Glock 18 select fire pistols sell for ~$900.  But again, not for the Average Joe, or more appropriately, the Average Eric.  


And a 900 dollar pistol that you practically have to GIVE away to avoid destroying it if you surrender your license.


If an FFL/SOT surrenders their license, then another 07/02 FFL/SOT (manufacturer) can pick up their inventory of post-86 dealer samples without a law letter.


PLEASE show me where this is so, As I am in the process of this right now and NFA branch and ATF in general disagrees...


Read Title 27, CFR Chapter II, ยง 479.105 (d) and (f)

I know two separate 07/02's who consulted with ATF and subsequently received posties without law letters, pursuant to sections (d) and (f).