Posted: 5/12/2010 11:43:38 AM EDT
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I just went to the local PD and picked up a pistol registration form. Now, before I ask about the process, has the bill to get rid of the rifle length = pistol law? Or is it still required to register a rifle as a pistol when it is a certain length? Otherwise, what do I need to do? It says on the form that the permit expires in 10 days if a "pistol" is not purchased... but this is a rifle I want to register as a pistol. So what is the deal with that? Exactly what do I need to do in order to get this squared away? I'm not very privy to our gun laws and I have no real idea on what exactly I need to do, other than fill out this paper in order to get a pistol permit, which I also would have no idea what to do once I get said "pistol" permit. |
Make sure the barrel is 16" long and the overall length when folded is 26-30". Fill out the form and list yourself as seller and buyer if you built it. If you bought it from someone put their name there and have them sign it. Turn the permit back into your local PD with in 10 days. Thats it. Now have fun shooting it. Also, if you have a CPL, you can carry it concealed/loaded in your car 
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Make sure the barrel is 16" long and the overall length when folded is 26-30". Fill out the form and list yourself as seller and buyer if you built it. If you bought it from someone put their name there and have them sign it. Turn the permit back into your local PD with in 10 days. Thats it. Now have fun shooting it. Also, if you have a CPL, you can carry it concealed/loaded in your car I would agree with this. I'm not a lawyer but I've studied the law related to this as much as I can. A few AK's can go under the 26" mark so double check that if you don't know. The first time I registered one I had to show the police the law and explain to them why I HAD to register it. I have 6 guns registered this way for the reason he stated, my truck guns. Most cops don't know this is legal so I carry copies of the laws and definitions, but I'm still lacking something regarding the concealed carry part. I/we know it's legal, but there isn't really a good legal document stating it is, it's more an interpretation of the definitions. Anybody have anything good regarding this? The bill you asked about HB4501 and it's companions were REFERRED TO COMMITTEE ON JUDICIARY on 6/17/2009, where I thought it just died, but it looks like they were actually analyzed yesterday (5/11/2010)....wierd. ETA the analysis is ignorant, incorrect and biased, but I guess that should be expected from these people. It does however recognize carrying 26-30" pistols as concealed though. Nice to see it written somewhere, even if it does have a legal disclaimer. |
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Quoted: Make sure the barrel is 16" long and the overall length when folded is 26-30". Fill out the form and list yourself as seller and buyer if you built it. If you bought it from someone put their name there and have them sign it. Turn the permit back into your local PD with in 10 days. Thats it. Now have fun shooting it. Also, if you have a CPL, you can carry it concealed/loaded in your car Yeah... that's great... since I sent the rifle kit off to a builder to have them build it Or should the local gunshop I bought the actual AK receiver from sign it? |
| If the dealer you got it from will sign it great. However, since they didnt have you present it at time of purchase, they may be hinky about doing it now. If its built just put your name as seller and buyer. Tell the PD it was built from a stripped virgin reciever, if they even ask. The PDs are more worried about just getting it registered. Specially since its only a civil infraction not to register it now. |
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Quoted: If the dealer you got it from will sign it great. However, since they didnt have you present it at time of purchase, they may be hinky about doing it now. If its built just put your name as seller and buyer. Tell the PD it was built from a stripped virgin reciever, if they even ask. The PDs are more worried about just getting it registered. Specially since its only a civil infraction not to register it now. Yes... well I bought the bare reciever from NODAK, had it sent to the FFL and picked it up there. I then sent the parts kit with the receiver to a builder down in Texas. So I am not really sure what to do.... |
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My take would be to just put your name down as buyer and seller as you had it built.
My only question is, can you send a receiver out of state to be built, then have it shipped back as an assembled rifle and not have use the FFL holder again? I know you can ship firearms for repair without a problem. You may have to ask on the AK Forum. |
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My only question is, can you send a receiver out of state to be built, then have it shipped back as an assembled rifle and not have use the FFL holder again? I know you can ship firearms for repair without a problem. Yes you can. In that sense, it is much the same as shipping it for repairs and having it shipped directly back to you. In both cases, you are shipping your firearm to have work done by a gunsmith. Since it started out as your gun, it can be returned directly to you. Keep in mind that federal law defines a bare receiver as a "firearm". |
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http://legislature.mi.gov/doc.aspx?mcl-28-422
(5) If an individual purchases or otherwise acquires a pistol, the seller shall fill out the license forms describing the pistol, together with the date of sale or acquisition, and sign his or her name in ink indicating that the pistol was sold to or otherwise acquired by the purchaser. The purchaser shall also sign his or her name in ink indicating the purchase or other acquisition of the pistol from the seller. The seller may retain a copy of the license as a record of the transaction. The purchaser shall receive 3 copies of the license. The purchaser shall return 2 copies of the license to the licensing authority within 10 days after the date the pistol is purchased or acquired. The return of the copies to the licensing authority may be made in person or may be made by first-class mail or certified mail sent within the 10-day period to the proper address of the licensing authority. A purchaser who fails to comply with the requirements of this subsection is responsible for a state civil infraction and may be fined not more than $250.00. If a purchaser is found responsible for a state civil infraction under this subsection, the court shall notify the department of state police of that determination.....Eff. Mar. 25, 2010 |
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PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THIS: If the barrel length is less than 16" and it has a sidefolder stock, you are guilty of a federal felony RIGHT NOW!
What you have is an SBR, not a pistol. To register it as a pistol, it can't have a stock, flash supressor, or front pistol grip. look at some of the pistol ar's they sell in stores for an example. the pistol ak's always have a steel plate welded where the stock attaches. That is BATFE federal law, not michigan's If the barrel is under 16" then right now your sidefolder is an unregistered SBR....and Michigan's law is: NO SBR's AT ALL. I think I'm pretty accurate in this....some lawyer can correct me if I'm wrong. |
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PROBLEM WITH THIS IS THIS: If the barrel length is less than 16" and it has a sidefolder stock, you are guilty of a federal felony RIGHT NOW! What you have is an SBR, not a pistol. To register it as a pistol, it can't have a stock, flash supressor, or front pistol grip. look at some of the pistol ar's they sell in stores for an example. the pistol ak's always have a steel plate welded where the stock attaches. That is BATFE federal law, not michigan's If the barrel is under 16" then right now your sidefolder is an unregistered SBR....and Michigan's law is: NO SBR's AT ALL. I think I'm pretty accurate in this....some lawyer can correct me if I'm wrong. Not a lawyer, and I aint exactly correcting you. this statement is true for a federally defined pistol, but not all Michigan defined pistols. If a gun has the minimum barrel length satisfied, is a RIFLE by federal definition, and has an overall length between 26 and 30 inches.....then in Michigan and only Michigan it is a pistol. Stock, flash supressor and foregrip are restricted on FEDERAL pistols, this isn't a Federal pistol....it's a rifle. He hasn't stated that his barrel is under 16", but I know there's some combination of 16" AK folder that goes under 26" folded, this is where my concern would be. It would be easily fixed though with a pinned flash hider. |
