Posted: 8/29/2013 8:31:00 AM EDT
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I think this is important enough that everyone should be aware.
Obama has started more GUN CONTROL The hot link takes you here. http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/29/obama-announces-more-executive-actions-on-guns/ We knew there would be more and here is the beginning. It is only going to get worse. Edit for spelling. |
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So tell me this, I have twins that are 3.5-4 months old. They were placed on my trust the first week they were born. How the hell am I supposed to get them fingerprinted? Ink and paper, just like the hospital did when they were born. 
Your post begs the question... how do you propose to transfer ownership of NFA firearms to a 3.5-4 month old child? If they arent of age, they cant take possession anyway. The item would have to be held in trust until they are of-age. In order to do this, you would have a successor trustee (in the event you can no longer perform the trustee's duties). Presumably, that successor trustee is not a minor and those are the fingerprints you would need. No need to name your infant kids when you can just draft the beneficiaries as your "heirs" until such time as they can be fingerprinted. If your trust is just you and your infant kids, and the trust property includes items which cannot be possessed by a minor, then your trust is not legal. |
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The NFA thing doesnt bother me. Before I had a trust, I used to send in fingerprint cards for CIII transfers. I can do it again. What difference does it make if they have my fingerprints? In the wake of the recent NSA scandals, having my fingerprints seems pretty irrelevant.
This is the part of the new executive order that really sucks: The administration also announced a new policy to prevent the importation of surplus military weapons, stating that since 2005, the federal government authorized requests to reimport more than 250,000 such weapons for private purchases.
“When the United States provides military firearms to its allies, either as direct commercial sales or through the foreign military sales or military assistance programs, those firearms may not be imported back into the United States without U.S. government approval, the White House said. “Today, the Administration is announcing a new policy of denying requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the United States to private entities, with only a few exceptions such as for museums,” the White House announcement said. “This new policy will help keep military-grade firearms off our streets. There are thousands of Garands and M1 Carbines that are going to be destroyed overseas now that we cant buy them back. Or worse, they are going to be sold so the highest bidder which may very well be a country that might someday use them against us. Collectors would love to have this stuff. It has historical significance. They are not "scary black rifles." I just dont get it. |
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The NFA thing doesnt bother me. Before I had a trust, I used to send in fingerprint cards for CIII transfers. I can do it again. What difference does it make if they have my fingerprints? In the wake of the recent NSA scandals, having my fingerprints seems pretty irrelevant. This is the part of the new executive order that really sucks: There are thousands of Garands and M1 Carbines that are going to be destroyed overseas now that we cant buy them back. Or worse, they are going to be sold so the highest bidder which may very well be a country that might someday use them against us. Collectors would love to have this stuff. It has historical significance. They are not "scary black rifles." I just dont get it. Quoted:
The NFA thing doesnt bother me. Before I had a trust, I used to send in fingerprint cards for CIII transfers. I can do it again. What difference does it make if they have my fingerprints? In the wake of the recent NSA scandals, having my fingerprints seems pretty irrelevant. This is the part of the new executive order that really sucks: The administration also announced a new policy to prevent the importation of surplus military weapons, stating that since 2005, the federal government authorized requests to reimport more than 250,000 such weapons for private purchases.
“When the United States provides military firearms to its allies, either as direct commercial sales or through the foreign military sales or military assistance programs, those firearms may not be imported back into the United States without U.S. government approval, the White House said. “Today, the Administration is announcing a new policy of denying requests to bring military-grade firearms back into the United States to private entities, with only a few exceptions such as for museums,” the White House announcement said. “This new policy will help keep military-grade firearms off our streets. There are thousands of Garands and M1 Carbines that are going to be destroyed overseas now that we cant buy them back. Or worse, they are going to be sold so the highest bidder which may very well be a country that might someday use them against us. Collectors would love to have this stuff. It has historical significance. They are not "scary black rifles." I just dont get it. That ***** just hates guns and wants to prohibit them at any cost, and any way possible. |
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The NFA thing doesnt bother me. Before I had a trust, I used to send in fingerprint cards for CIII transfers. I can do it again. What difference does it make if they have my fingerprints? In the wake of the recent NSA scandals, having my fingerprints seems pretty irrelevant. This is a bad attitude to have. There is a lot of chatter saying that trusts/corps will have to have CLEO signoff to, which basically bans them in a lot of areas. Since CLEOs are by and large political pawns, even a good number of pro-gun CLEOs are just a few harassing calls away from not signing or putting the process off by a few months. More in depth discussion here. Pro-tip: I dont know much about tony_k, but he's THE MAN when it comes to NFA stuff. Pay attention to what he posts. All we can hope for is this bull shit doesn't get rammed down our throats. That's a pretty small hope though, at this point. |
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This is a bad attitude to have. There is a lot of chatter saying that trusts/corps will have to have CLEO signoff to, which basically bans them in a lot of areas. Since CLEOs are by and large political pawns, even a good number of pro-gun CLEOs are just a few harassing calls away from not signing or putting the process off by a few months. More in depth discussion here. Pro-tip: I dont know much about tony_k, but he's THE MAN when it comes to NFA stuff. Pay attention to what he posts. All we can hope for is this bull shit doesn't get rammed down our throats. That's a pretty small hope though, at this point. Quoted:
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The NFA thing doesnt bother me. Before I had a trust, I used to send in fingerprint cards for CIII transfers. I can do it again. What difference does it make if they have my fingerprints? In the wake of the recent NSA scandals, having my fingerprints seems pretty irrelevant. This is a bad attitude to have. There is a lot of chatter saying that trusts/corps will have to have CLEO signoff to, which basically bans them in a lot of areas. Since CLEOs are by and large political pawns, even a good number of pro-gun CLEOs are just a few harassing calls away from not signing or putting the process off by a few months. More in depth discussion here. Pro-tip: I dont know much about tony_k, but he's THE MAN when it comes to NFA stuff. Pay attention to what he posts. All we can hope for is this bull shit doesn't get rammed down our throats. That's a pretty small hope though, at this point. Every bit of this. |
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This is a bad attitude to have. There is a lot of chatter saying that trusts/corps will have to have CLEO signoff to, which basically bans them in a lot of areas. Since CLEOs are by and large political pawns, even a good number of pro-gun CLEOs are just a few harassing calls away from not signing or putting the process off by a few months. More in depth discussion here. Pro-tip: I dont know much about tony_k, but he's THE MAN when it comes to NFA stuff. Pay attention to what he posts. All we can hope for is this bull shit doesn't get rammed down our throats. That's a pretty small hope though, at this point. Quoted:
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The NFA thing doesnt bother me. Before I had a trust, I used to send in fingerprint cards for CIII transfers. I can do it again. What difference does it make if they have my fingerprints? In the wake of the recent NSA scandals, having my fingerprints seems pretty irrelevant. This is a bad attitude to have. There is a lot of chatter saying that trusts/corps will have to have CLEO signoff to, which basically bans them in a lot of areas. Since CLEOs are by and large political pawns, even a good number of pro-gun CLEOs are just a few harassing calls away from not signing or putting the process off by a few months. More in depth discussion here. Pro-tip: I dont know much about tony_k, but he's THE MAN when it comes to NFA stuff. Pay attention to what he posts. All we can hope for is this bull shit doesn't get rammed down our throats. That's a pretty small hope though, at this point. My post and the CLEO signoff are two different issues. Fingerprints are not an impediment as long as you have fingers. Hence, my laissez faire attitude. The CLEO signoff is a completely different issue. However, I had heard rumors that the new rules were actually going to do away with CLEO sign off altogether and simply require CLEO notification. |
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Quoted: My post and the CLEO signoff are two different issues. Fingerprints are not an impediment as long as you have fingers. Hence, my laissez faire attitude. The CLEO signoff is a completely different issue. However, I had heard rumors that the new rules were actually going to do away with CLEO sign off altogether and simply require CLEO notification. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The NFA thing doesnt bother me. Before I had a trust, I used to send in fingerprint cards for CIII transfers. I can do it again. What difference does it make if they have my fingerprints? In the wake of the recent NSA scandals, having my fingerprints seems pretty irrelevant. This is a bad attitude to have. There is a lot of chatter saying that trusts/corps will have to have CLEO signoff to, which basically bans them in a lot of areas. Since CLEOs are by and large political pawns, even a good number of pro-gun CLEOs are just a few harassing calls away from not signing or putting the process off by a few months. More in depth discussion here. Pro-tip: I dont know much about tony_k, but he's THE MAN when it comes to NFA stuff. Pay attention to what he posts. All we can hope for is this bull shit doesn't get rammed down our throats. That's a pretty small hope though, at this point. My post and the CLEO signoff are two different issues. Fingerprints are not an impediment as long as you have fingers. Hence, my laissez faire attitude. The CLEO signoff is a completely different issue. However, I had heard rumors that the new rules were actually going to do away with CLEO sign off altogether and simply require CLEO notification. That's one I'd NEVER believe. In most areas, that'll only make Title2 sales EASIER. Lord knows that's the LAST thing Emperor Obama wants... |
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This blows:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_17/406342_It_s_Official__CLEO_Certification_To_Be_Required_For_Trusts_Corps.html Tweeder, Cowboy-- it looks like you guys were right. CLEO sign offs for everyone. That's no fun. Who does eveyone use for their CLEO signoff in Little Rock? State Police? Sheriff? LRPD? |
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And the bigger question: will this apply to transfers that are currently in processing but have not been approved, yet? Or, will my THREE Form4s be returned to me and have to be resubmitted with all the additional bullshit, thus delaying it even MORE???  I THINK everything in process will be grandfathered. But then again, that goes a long with the theory of being "too easy" so who knows. They may set a date earlier in the year, could be the date he actually signs, who knows yet. |
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Ok, since we don't know what, when or anything else that is coming down the pipe, why don't we start a thread with LEO's that have a history of signing off on NFA...... and gun friendly lawyers by location. "hope for the best, prepare for the worst' I wanted to do that many years ago but no one was interested. Actually more that a few people were hostile about it. 
Also, if I understand correctly, the ATF has been given 90 days to make the changes so I'm assuming this will start no later than 1-1-14. Not even enough time to get a form 3 transferred. 
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Quoted: So this means that we need to buy more guns and ammo while we still can.... right? No. It means that those with trusts, corps, etc. will start to have just as difficult a time as anybody else that's buying TitleII weaponry. It means I need to get my fucking Form1 sent in! |
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So what would you do if you were in my shoes..
I have plans to get an sbr, like a 300 blk with a 10'' or less barrel and probably a suppressor.. BUT, I don't turn 21 until this March. Could I make a trust and get the tax stamp for the gun before I'm 21? I don't think I can because I think I would have to send in the serial number of the lower right? But I'm just wondering. |