Posted: 11/29/2016 4:23:57 PM EDT
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Finally just made it to see hacksaw ridge.
Aside from my wife crying through the entire movie it was pretty damn unbelievable.(she loved it by the way) I'm willing to say this......hacksaw ridge shit all over Saving Private Ryan IMO. It's such a shame because Mel Gibson won't be given the recognition he deserves, like Steven Spielberg was given. Honestly the combat scenes were almost difficult to sit through. My one and only gripe....the pyrotechnics team over indulged themselves with fuel explosives.... I fully understand why though. The best way to describe it is like this; Saving private Ryan is to band of brothers as Hacksaw ridge is to the pacific. One is about the brothership in combat the other is the gruesomeness of combat. I know a lot of of you guys don't go to the movies, but if you had any thoughts to see this movie, I'd advise seeing it in a theater, the battleship artillery bombardment alone is worth it! Midday in plainville 12 bucks for 2 of us and we were reclined in their new seats like we were at home on our couch! |
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......and we were reclined in their new seats like we were at home on our couch! You forgot to mention the urine, feces, semen and vaginal discharges you were also reclined in. I stopped going to movies over 20 years ago, and have no desire to go again. As for war movies long ago I tired of each new movie trying to out-gruesome the last movie. I'm sick of the violence in movies. It is a symptom of a sick society. |
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You forgot to mention the urine, feces, semen and vaginal discharges you were also reclined in. I stopped going to movies over 20 years ago, and have no desire to go again. As for war movies long ago I tired of each new movie trying to out-gruesome the last movie. I'm sick of the violence in movies. It is a symptom of a sick society. Quoted:
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......and we were reclined in their new seats like we were at home on our couch! You forgot to mention the urine, feces, semen and vaginal discharges you were also reclined in. I stopped going to movies over 20 years ago, and have no desire to go again. As for war movies long ago I tired of each new movie trying to out-gruesome the last movie. I'm sick of the violence in movies. It is a symptom of a sick society. I would have paid extra to make sure I could get a seat like that 
Based on a true story though, and a lot of the "gruesome" events in the movie are right from Desmond Doss's mouth. If you don't plan to see the movie, you can read about him online. It's sad how people idolize peices of shit like al Capone and know all about them, but have no idea who real heroes are, like this man. |
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You forgot to mention the urine, feces, semen and vaginal discharges you were also reclined in. I stopped going to movies over 20 years ago, and have no desire to go again. As for war movies long ago I tired of each new movie trying to out-gruesome the last movie. I'm sick of the violence in movies. It is a symptom of a sick society. Quoted:
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......and we were reclined in their new seats like we were at home on our couch! You forgot to mention the urine, feces, semen and vaginal discharges you were also reclined in. I stopped going to movies over 20 years ago, and have no desire to go again. As for war movies long ago I tired of each new movie trying to out-gruesome the last movie. I'm sick of the violence in movies. It is a symptom of a sick society. If you sprinkle some road salt on the seats you'll be fine. That shit destroys everything. I always keep some in my pocket just for such an occasion. |
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Quoted: If you sprinkle some road salt on the seats you'll be fine. That shit destroys everything. I always keep some in my pocket just for such an occasion. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: ......and we were reclined in their new seats like we were at home on our couch! You forgot to mention the urine, feces, semen and vaginal discharges you were also reclined in. I stopped going to movies over 20 years ago, and have no desire to go again. As for war movies long ago I tired of each new movie trying to out-gruesome the last movie. I'm sick of the violence in movies. It is a symptom of a sick society. If you sprinkle some road salt on the seats you'll be fine. That shit destroys everything. I always keep some in my pocket just for such an occasion.  |
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If you sprinkle some road salt on the seats you'll be fine. That shit destroys everything. I always keep some in my pocket just for such an occasion. Quoted:
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......and we were reclined in their new seats like we were at home on our couch! You forgot to mention the urine, feces, semen and vaginal discharges you were also reclined in. I stopped going to movies over 20 years ago, and have no desire to go again. As for war movies long ago I tired of each new movie trying to out-gruesome the last movie. I'm sick of the violence in movies. It is a symptom of a sick society. If you sprinkle some road salt on the seats you'll be fine. That shit destroys everything. I always keep some in my pocket just for such an occasion. It only works to destroy vampire bodily fluids. When was the last time you saw vampire semen or vaginal secretions? I've only seen human bodily fluids in theater seats and don't want to see more. Road salt won't work on that. |
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My mistake, I thought this was a gun forum again....
Carry on, but not for too long...I think there's a rocky horror picture show marathon on at some point. That should get some of you guys excited. That way you can sit on your couches at home that are covered in feces, urine, and semen. |
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Dude, for real, same here. A little disappointed. The movie sounds like it might be good though. All I know on it is from the commercials and it made the movie look like a dumb pacifist rant. Hoping it doesn't go that way to make people feel bad about the guys who had to kill people to not die. |
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Dude, for real, same here. A little disappointed. The movie sounds like it might be good though. All I know on it is from the commercials and it made the movie look like a dumb pacifist rant. Hoping it doesn't go that way to make people feel bad about the guys who had to kill people to not die. Quoted:
Dude, for real, same here. A little disappointed. The movie sounds like it might be good though. All I know on it is from the commercials and it made the movie look like a dumb pacifist rant. Hoping it doesn't go that way to make people feel bad about the guys who had to kill people to not die. Not at all what the movie is about. And I should fix what I wrote above, it is not BASED on a true story, at the beginning it says "a true story" and from what I've read is pretty damn accurate to the accounts. Some time scales had to be shortened for the movies sake but for the most part everything in the movie actually happened. Mel Gibson is not funded by Hollywood. He doesn't have to adhere to their "rules" per se. IMO he is the best director out there currently. There really is no alterior anti war/country etc. agenda in this movie. Simply telling the story of a CO medic who chose not to carry a firearm into combat, because he only wished to help his fellow soldiers, which he did, and then some. Religion plays a big role, as it does in all of Mel gibsons movies, but that is because it was the motivation for Desmond doss to do what he did. |
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I like Mel Gibson very much as an actor and a director. Loved most of his movies too.
I understand the passion in your review of the movie and obviously I agree that is it based on a very true and interesting story. However, there are many people out there who view it as Gibson's attempt to get back into Hollywood after some admittedly ugly public outbursts and a very messy divorce. Those same people view it as using a very moving story as an anti- gun message. " Guns are evil. Look what one can do without them." Essentially playing into the liberal view on guns to get back in their good graces. Now do I believe that? Not totally. He was always outside the box (he and his family did not live in CA because of a lot of their liberal views) and his pro-Christian religious stance bothered many. (Not me, I'm as Catholic as it gets). It's just something to consider. As to better than Saving Private Ryan, well......that's just crazy talk.. 
And this may be the Pinot Noir in me talking and it has nothing to do with the topic at hand but.....Glocks suck. Had to be said.
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^ I can see what your saying, and I really hope it's not fully true. He has made some great stuff while
Not under hollywoods liberal thumb. If he does get back in, I hope he isn't influenced by them 
I don't see it as anti gun, Vince Vaughn is actually a 2a supporter and has a major role in the film. It almost seems like he has in some ways been blacklisted in Hollywood in recent years because he openly expressed his conservative and pro 2a views. It is a true story and portrayed accurate at that, regardless of anyone's views that were involved. I'm not a very big fan of Steven Spielberg anymore. Hes stuck in his old school way of making movies, and relies on his pretentious name for success, IMO. Having children struggling with divorced parents in every movie, to garner sympathy gets old fast. My wife picked up on this and brought this to my attention...... There were no magazine changes at all through the whole movie, and not one en bloc was ejected......not a ping to be heard throughout the entire movie! Pure blasphemy! And yes, my wife picked up on this, and I didn't
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I am with our token Curmudgeon group8, movies theaters are gross. I avoid them like the plague but will see this movie when I can get it at home. My parents saw it and loved it.
Mel Gibson is a great director and actor. I have enjoyed all of his movies I have seen. His anti-semitism bothers me. It is also why he is not well liked in Hollywood. Many studio executives are Jewish. I think it will take some serious box office smashes for Mel Gibson to ever get back in the good graces of the studios. |
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Thanks for the write up Bendy, I've wanted to see this movie since you first put us on it. I'm glad to hear it's as good as we'd hoped and I agree with your sentiment about why everyone should see it, and others like it.
I will definitely see it, when pictures telling stories of our veterans come around I feel almost obligated to experience it. Maybe not in a theater, but not for the standard CTHTF anti-theatric antidotes, just because I'm too fuckin busy and don't get out for that kinda thing often. I just wrestled with my dog for like an hour and he probably stepped in shit 3 times today and came all over himself all day while I was at work. He's a boy but he grew up around mostly girl dogs so now he squats to pee like a girl and sometimes he pees on his front paw like an idiot. But he's my idiot and he's a lot of fun to wrestle. A little crusty semen on a seat isn't gonna stop me from a good time. Plus I got my pocket salt anyways.
I don't have any interesting conceptions about Mel Gibson, or Hollywood, or hidden meanings in movies. I think Mel makes good movies or acts good or something. "We Were Soldiers" and "The Patriot" come to mind. I don't know who wrote or directed or whatevered them, I just know Mel was in them and I thought he and the movies were awesome. If I'm flipping channels and they are on I stop even though I've seen em 740 times. If I ever met Mel I'd give him a high five and tell him I thought he was great in that movie I saw that time. |
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I can't stand Mel Gibson and I don't like the majority of his movies- I also don't like movie theatres!
Private Ryan - great film! Hacksaw ridge- no idea, haven't seen it, but it does come off as anti gun! Mel has spewed some anti gun nonsense recently that supported gun control in the wake of recent "massacres"- he said something needs to be done in regards to controlling guns! Anywho- I don't like Mel or his movies
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I am with our token Curmudgeon group8, movies theaters are gross. I avoid them like the plague but will see this movie when I can get it at home. My parents saw it and loved it. Mel Gibson is a great director and actor. I have enjoyed all of his movies I have seen. His anti-semitism bothers me. It is also why he is not well liked in Hollywood. Many studio executives are Jewish. I think it will take some serious box office smashes for Mel Gibson to ever get back in the good graces of the studios. So if he makes the jewish people a lot of money he will be back in their good graces? |
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A big point I was making is that if you have a desire to see this movie, see it in the theaters for the experience. There are just some movies that need to be "experienced" on the big screen and this is one.
Nutter, you seem to have knowledge on the the navy ships....when they are firing the 16" guns or any of the slightly smaller big guns, do the ships use something to stabilize themselves in the water to counter the recoil? Or are the ships heavy enough to not really move when they're firing all of them? |
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Liked the movie, but the first half was just fiction. I wish these kinds of movies would just tell the story, and not make up a main protagonist for the sake of drama. Doss was labeled as a CO from the very start, and allowed to train as a medic. There was no military trial or any of the other drama with his father, PTSD, or the denial of his leave to get married. Doss was already married when he enlisted.
Since the subject of battleship fire support came up, from what I know that's the only part they got wrong. 16" guns need a minimum of 2,000 meters from supporting troops before they become 'danger close' fire support. Good hollywood, but bad history. AFAIK the combat scenes are very close to the truth, and much of what was portrayed on the screen is close to what actually happened. FWIW I was in the 77 Army Reserve Command back in the 80's. We wore the liberty patch and Doss is part of that unit's history big time. |
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Liked the movie, but the first half was just fiction. I wish these kinds of movies would just tell the story, and not make up a main protagonist for the sake of drama. Doss was labeled as a CO from the very start, and allowed to train as a medic. There was no military trial or any of the other drama with his father, PTSD, or the denial of his leave to get married. Doss was already married when he enlisted. Since the subject of battleship fire support came up, from what I know that's the only part they got wrong. 16" guns need a minimum of 2,000 meters from supporting troops before they become 'danger close' fire support. Good hollywood, but bad history. AFAIK the combat scenes are very close to the truth, and much of what was portrayed on the screen is close to what actually happened. FWIW I was in the 77 Army Reserve Command back in the 80's. We wore the liberty patch and Doss is part of that unit's history big time. Thanks for the info and thank you for your service. Just wondering because I'd really like to know, could the escarpment have played a role in allowing the artillary to fire on the Japanese with the US being at the bottom? Without it being considered "danger close"? I think I also remember the captain calling in artillary support on their position when the human wave was coming at them? Id like to know if they got that right. I wonder if the after action reports are available for this the time period the 77th was there. At the end of the day though, it is a movie, and it's purpose is to entertain, but at the same time I think this movie does a good job at telling a story that many people would have never known about without being made. That can be said about every one of Mel Gibsons movies(that he directed). |
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A big point I was making is that if you have a desire to see this movie, see it in the theaters for the experience. There are just some movies that need to be "experienced" on the big screen and this is one. Nutter, you seem to have knowledge on the the navy ships....when they are firing the 16" guns or any of the slightly smaller big guns, do the ships use something to stabilize themselves in the water to counter the recoil? Or are the ships heavy enough to not really move when they're firing all of them? I only know what I have read or been told by vets. The big guns make the whole ship shake when they fire- I would guess that there is something built into the cannons to dampen the recoil- hydraulics possibly, don't know for sure. The concussion alone from the explosions would be enough to tear a body apart- I found this - "What looks like a side-ways wake is just the water being broiled up by the muzzle blasts. The ship doesn't move an inch or even heel from a broadside. The guns have a recoil slide of up to 48 inches and the shock is distributed evenly through the turret foundation and the hull structure. The mass of a 57,000 ton ship is just too great for the recoil of the guns to move it. Well, theoretically, a fraction of a millimeter. But because of the expansive range of the overpressure (muzzle blast), a lot of the rapidly displaced air presses against the bulkheads and decks. Those structures that are not armored actually flex inwards just a bit, thus displacing air quickly inside the ship and causing loose items to fly around. Sort of like having your house sealed up with all windows and vents closed and when you slam the front door quickly the displaced air pops open the kitchen cabinets." R. A. Landgraff |
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There is recoil built in but its been claimed that when all 9 guns are fired at once the ship moves laterally. From Wikipedia (which may or may not be accurate):
"The guns could be elevated from -5 degrees to +45 degrees, moving at up to 12 degrees per second. The turrets could rotate about 300 degrees at about 4 degrees per second and could even be fired back beyond the beam, which is sometimes called "over the shoulder". Within each turret, a red stripe on the wall of the turret, just inches from the railing, marked the boundary of the gun's recoil, providing the crew of each gun turret with a visual reference for the minimum safe distance range.[3]" |
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I only know what I have read or been told by vets. The big guns make the whole ship shake when they fire- I would guess that there is something built into the cannons to dampen the recoil- hydraulics possibly, don't know for sure. The concussion alone from the explosions would be enough to tear a body apart- Quoted:
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Nutter, you seem to have knowledge on the the navy ships....when they are firing the 16" guns or any of the slightly smaller big guns, do the ships use something to stabilize themselves in the water to counter the recoil? Or are the ships heavy enough to not really move when they're firing all of them? I only know what I have read or been told by vets. The big guns make the whole ship shake when they fire- I would guess that there is something built into the cannons to dampen the recoil- hydraulics possibly, don't know for sure. The concussion alone from the explosions would be enough to tear a body apart- No stabilization needed. IOWA weighed ~60,000 tons, and a 16" projectile is ~ 1 ton. Hydraulic recoil (~4 feet of it) on the 16" guns. They actually ripple fire in a broadside, which helps manage the impulse. Concussion is significant, which is why the windows on the bridge all roll down. In the modern era, foam plugs + mickey mouse ears + opening your mouth (equalizes pressure on the ears) were the recommended approach. A good day of shooting would snap the metal clips holding up the fluorescent light fixtures, and move the pictures around on the walls. Had to cut out and replace the watertight doors leading into the senior officer berthing area every few years (they'd wrinkle from the pressure waves from Turret 2). 5" 38s were nothing in comparison. But I got to shoot them a lot more often. My GQ station was as the Director Officer for Sky 1, the forward fire control director for the secondary battery. Up on the O-6 level, with a 20 mm CIWS right next to us on either side. USS IOWA 1986 - 1989... |
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I am with our token Curmudgeon group8, movies theaters are gross. I avoid them like the plague but will see this movie when I can get it at home. My parents saw it and loved it. Mel Gibson is a great director and actor. I have enjoyed all of his movies I have seen. His anti-semitism bothers me. It is also why he is not well liked in Hollywood. Many studio executives are Jewish. I think it will take some serious box office smashes for Mel Gibson to ever get back in the good graces of the studios. So if he makes the jewish people a lot of money he will be back in their good graces? Well that did not read like I meant it. I meant, all is forgiven in business if you generate profits. The studio bosses need to have profitable movies. People will put up with a lot if you make money. They don't have to love him, just tolerate him and make money off him. |
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Thanks for the info and thank you for your service. Just wondering because I'd really like to know, could the escarpment have played a role in allowing the artillary to fire on the Japanese with the US being at the bottom? Without it being considered "danger close"? I think I also remember the captain calling in artillary support on their position when the human wave was coming at them? Id like to know if they got that right. I wonder if the after action reports are available for this the time period the 77th was there. At the end of the day though, it is a movie, and it's purpose is to entertain, but at the same time I think this movie does a good job at telling a story that many people would have never known about without being made. That can be said about every one of Mel Gibsons movies(that he directed). http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/okinawa/chapter11.htm All the way at the bottom at page 279 is the narrative of the 77 Division's action at Hacksaw Ridge. There is mention of them being thrown off the escarpment numerous times, and of mass night attacks by the Japanese. There is no mention of the use of artillery to repulse the night attacks. There is a lot of artistic license taken in the telling of true stories. I'm guessing that trying to illustrate the intensity of hand to hand combat at night isn't an easy thing to do on film. As with many things it was probably easier to use artillery as a prop to illustrate the urgency of the situation. |