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I was reading through this thread from the beginning and I noticed that over two years ago I posted my belief: "...Probably and they will also make owning Tasers as difficult as getting a pistol, at least here on Long Island."
Surprise, surprise. The head of the Nassau Pistol Licensing Bureau declares that court rulings are meaningless. Just an example of why I never subjected myself to the BS needed here in Nassau County to get a PP not to mention the $200 every five years (thanks Republicans). When I eventually leave this state for a free state, the first or second thing I will do after establishing residency is walk into a gun shop and buy myself a nice pistol. Probably in 9mm. The biggest headache will be what brand and model 
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Originally Posted By BenC:
Nolo, a serious question. Having now seen the depths of the shit show that is NY, are you shocked at this latest development? If you were to explain this case (NYs responses, the timeline, etc) to your peers in the legal community, would they believe you at first blush before looking up everything, or would they think you're blowing smoke up their ass? What can we as NY'ers do to truly explain to everyone that we're not exaggerating when talking about how badly we get screwed? |
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere: it's not just NY. it is even in little podunk counties/munis down here. They will straight up tell me they don't care what the law is and will do what they want. So I just tell them to have fun and I'll see them later. Sometimes they need it stuck in hard & broken off! |
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Originally Posted By Bushman_269:
As long as these petty tyrants have no personal skin in the game and can pay out of the public coffers for their misdeeds nothing will change. Perhaps some civil rights suits under 1983 would get their attention? |
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oh hi, we're back!
https://www.scribd.com/document/424663077/1-Complaint-Nassau |
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So because the ruling was in the northern district of NY, does that make it not apply anywhere else in NY?
Granted SCOTUS already ruled on this, and that obviously covers Nassau fucking county.. But what do these idiots want before they abide? A ruling by the 2nd circus? Or a direct scotus challenge of their ban? |
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Originally Posted By DaveM4P99:
Granted SCOTUS already ruled on this, and that obviously covers Nassau fucking county.. But what do these idiots want before they abide? A ruling by the 2nd circus? Or a direct scotus challenge of their ban? As a resident of Nassau County most of my life, this is not surprising. There are times it is difficult to differentiate Nassau County from New York City in the policies and attitudes. The lieutenant promulgating this response will never face any personal repercussions for thumbing his nose at the Federal court. And even if there is a ruling against Nassau County, they will do the least amount possible to grudgingly comply (if at all). No one will personally be held responsible for ignoring the court and the county will simply keep forking over money for any settlements or fines. After all, if the court tells the citizenry it is okay to own a stun gun but the police say "we will arrest you", are you going to follow the court's ruling or listen to the police? If you have time and money to fight, you will listen to the court. But the majority of us will avoid the arrest. BTW, Nassau County still distributes mugshots. Suffolk has stopped the practice. |
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
oh hi, we're back! https://www.scribd.com/document/424663077/1-Complaint-Nassau |
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Originally Posted By emsjeep:
Chances Nassau revokes your plaintiff's "full carry"? Originally Posted By emsjeep:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
oh hi, we're back! https://www.scribd.com/document/424663077/1-Complaint-Nassau |
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Originally Posted By emsjeep:
Chances Nassau revokes your plaintiff's "full carry"? Originally Posted By emsjeep:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
oh hi, we're back! https://www.scribd.com/document/424663077/1-Complaint-Nassau Wouldn't surprise me to see Nassau try to do it anyway, county borders be damned. I sure hope not though. |
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Didn't that wind up costing us Nassau County residents a pile of settlement money?
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
oh hi, we're back! https://www.scribd.com/document/424663077/1-Complaint-Nassau |
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Originally Posted By Aardvark:
Didn't that wind up costing us Nassau County residents a pile of settlement money? Originally Posted By Aardvark:
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https://www.scribd.com/document/427755361/Memo-Issued-by-PDCN-on-9-27-19
"please disregard Lt. Timpano's email of June 12, 2019 on the subject matter" 
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
https://www.scribd.com/document/427755361/Memo-Issued-by-PDCN-on-9-27-19 "please disregard Lt. Timpano's email of June 12, 2019 on the subject matter"
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Where do you come up with all of this stuff? Do you still have subscriptions to Boy's Life and Soldier of Fortune?
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
https://www.scribd.com/document/427755361/Memo-Issued-by-PDCN-on-9-27-19 "please disregard Lt. Timpano's email of June 12, 2019 on the subject matter" 
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
https://www.scribd.com/document/427755361/Memo-Issued-by-PDCN-on-9-27-19 "please disregard Lt. Timpano's email of June 12, 2019 on the subject matter"
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
https://www.scribd.com/document/427755361/Memo-Issued-by-PDCN-on-9-27-19 "please disregard Lt. Timpano's email of June 12, 2019 on the subject matter" Priceless, but I still think Nassau will jam you up because they still do not recognize the court ruling as valid. They are simply not going to enforce PL 265.1 for possession. See how long that lasts. Especially if there is a change in administration. |
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Originally Posted By Aardvark:
Is that their way of saying "nothing to see here, move along"? Priceless, but I still think Nassau will jam you up because they still do not recognize the court ruling as valid. They are simply not going to enforce PL 265.1 for possession. See how long that lasts. Especially if there is a change in administration. Originally Posted By Aardvark:
Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
https://www.scribd.com/document/427755361/Memo-Issued-by-PDCN-on-9-27-19 "please disregard Lt. Timpano's email of June 12, 2019 on the subject matter" Priceless, but I still think Nassau will jam you up because they still do not recognize the court ruling as valid. They are simply not going to enforce PL 265.1 for possession. See how long that lasts. Especially if there is a change in administration. |
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
They should be there now? |
When they kick out your front door
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?
How you gonna come?
With your hands on your head
Or on the trigger of your gun?
| So NY state is actually still fighting whether stun guns are legal in the state courts..... so strange. a federal court strikes the statute, yet NY still decides to prosecute people based on the struck statute. it is the weirdest thing. but, guess that means we get to come back to visit!!!!!!!! |
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My hands are scarred from nights before
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| Is the state doing something or are county prosecutors just ignoring your win? Are they even doing it in northern district? I thought NYSP said they were dropping it? |
Where do you come up with all of this stuff? Do you still have subscriptions to Boy's Life and Soldier of Fortune?
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Originally Posted By sherm8404: FWIW a friend just had a TASER Pulse delivered to his house. He spoke at length to the company prior to his order. They've shipped a ton of them to NY. No threats from the AG or FUAC so far. |
Where do you come up with all of this stuff? Do you still have subscriptions to Boy's Life and Soldier of Fortune?
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Originally Posted By Aimless:
Is the state doing something or are county prosecutors just ignoring your win? Are they even doing it in northern district? I thought NYSP said they were dropping it?  Apparently there is a string of cases that state that federal court decisions are only persuasive and even though it struck a statute as violating the constitution, oh well. crazy town.
ETA appears to be only county/city so far... I have more work to do! |
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
People v Johnson. Wouldn't dismiss case against person with stun gun because avitabile isn't binding on state courts. Apparently there is a string of cases that state that federal court decisions are only persuasive and even though it struck a statute as violating the constitution, oh well. crazy town.
ETA appears to be only county/city so far... I have more work to do! Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
Originally Posted By Aimless:
Is the state doing something or are county prosecutors just ignoring your win? Are they even doing it in northern district? I thought NYSP said they were dropping it? Apparently there is a string of cases that state that federal court decisions are only persuasive and even though it struck a statute as violating the constitution, oh well. crazy town.
ETA appears to be only county/city so far... I have more work to do! |
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Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
So NY state is actually still fighting whether stun guns are legal in the state courts..... so strange. a federal court strikes the statute, yet NY still decides to prosecute people based on the struck statute. it is the weirdest thing. but, guess that means we get to come back to visit!!!!!!!! |
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Originally Posted By cviss:
I wonder if this one of nolon's cases.. https://www.ammoland.com/2016/03/supreme-court-confirms-second-amendment-applies-bearable-arms-common-use/?fbclid=IwAR36Yj-Ay028KBOInosNPy_rC1DjefwxhfO4b4ZTP9mfJvWBkZ5uV-iGmtU#axzz62wjcakii |
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Originally Posted By cviss:
I wonder if this one of nolon's cases.. https://www.ammoland.com/2016/03/supreme-court-confirms-second-amendment-applies-bearable-arms-common-use/?fbclid=IwAR36Yj-Ay028KBOInosNPy_rC1DjefwxhfO4b4ZTP9mfJvWBkZ5uV-iGmtU#axzz62wjcakii |
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Originally Posted By Abom:
I’m so confused. If SCOTUS in 2016 said 2A covers “all bearable arms” and doesnt mention levels of scrutiny, or exceptions (eg those with FH and PG) then how is it that the plethora of laws like UNSAFE aren’t challenged and struck down based on this alone? Originally Posted By Abom:
Originally Posted By cviss:
I wonder if this one of nolon's cases.. https://www.ammoland.com/2016/03/supreme-court-confirms-second-amendment-applies-bearable-arms-common-use/?fbclid=IwAR36Yj-Ay028KBOInosNPy_rC1DjefwxhfO4b4ZTP9mfJvWBkZ5uV-iGmtU#axzz62wjcakii First get a unanimous win against stun gun bans...then inch your way to real weapons using it as precedence. It's a slow and painful process. |