Posted: 9/6/2015 10:08:00 AM EDT
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This topic came up in the HTF Events thread that was started by Southercross. Since I felt it needed its own thread I started this one.
The Angry Emu Range will have it's first organized shoot on 9/26. It has been brought to my attention that it would be beneficial for both safety and legal purposes to have a set of Range Rules posted at the range. Here is my initial stab at a set of rules. I'll look for distances from steel targets, to fill in for the xx's, though input on that is VERY welcome. What else am I missing?!?! **************************************************
Please enjoy the Angry Emu Range at your own risk.
The designation for a "cold" range (cease fire) is a bucket, placed or thrown, onto the range. •Eye and ear protection must be worn at all times the range is in use. •No loaded firearms except for at the firing lines. •Chamber flags required for all firearms not at firing lines. •Loaded firearms must always be pointed downrange. •In case of emergency: The bucket gets flung down range. Cease fire immediately! DO NOT finish your mag! Wait for the RO to give instructions. •When range goes "cold" all firing must immediately cease, firearms must be unloaded, and made safe. •No handling of firearms once the range is "cold" and/or any personnel is down range. •If you are ever unsure as to what is happening, while you are on the firing line. Hold the weapon pointed down range and raise one hand. Help will be there ASAP. •All legal firearms, and related devices, if handled in a safe manner, are welcomed and encouraged on the range. Firearms, and related devices, not fully in compliance with all Federal and State, laws and/or regulations, are not to be brought on the premises, under any circumstances. •Only shotguns fired at clay targets to be discharged into the air. •Only traditional pistol calibers allowed on pistol berm. If you are unsure of your caliber, please ask. •No firing at steel targets at a range of less than 10 yards for traditional pistol calibers, and 100 yards for rifle calibers. Higher velocity rounds require greater distances. •No armor piercing ammo to be fired at steel targets. •If you damage a steel target due to ammo selection, or from firing at too short of range, you will be expected to replace it. •Tracer and incendiary: ammo/targets/anything that can cause a fire, are allowed only when conditions are favorable - always ask the Owner / RO prior to use. •Targets and/or holders, not already part of the range, must be approved before use, and removed if requested. •Children under the age of 10 must be under the direct supervision of an adult AT ALL TIMES. •Children under the age of 14 must be under the direct supervision of an adult at the firing line. •Decisions of any RO / Host / Owner are final, and are not subject to debate. •Range not responsible for ANY items damaged, lost, or stolen. Shooting firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. The Angry Emu Range, it's owners, any hosts, ROs, and/or organizers, of any event held herewith, are NOT responsible for ANY injuries, dismemberment, or death, that may occur while using these facilities, or while on ANY part of the surrounding premises, due to accident, negligence, or purposeful action, of ANY persons, or which may occur during the use, or misuse, of ANY equipment. Please remember: this is private property, not a public range, not a business, not a club, there are no memberships for sale. You are here as a guest of the landowner. You must fill out, and sign, a release form in order to be eligible to spectate, or shoot. Please obey ALL the rules, BE SAFE, treat others courteously, and clean up after yourself. If you don't like the rules, you are cheerfully encouraged to purchase some land, open your own range, and create your own rules. Donations of labor and/or money are always graciously accepted, and will go toward making the range a better place for all of us. THANK YOU!
************************************************** Waiver on the back side of the posted rules sheet/form: By signing this form, you are affirming that you have read, understand, and received, an exact copy of the rules printed on the opposite side; that you endorse them, and agree to abide by them; that you will hold the Owners of the range, Hosts of this event, Range Officers, and/or any other party in attendance, blameless, in the event that any sort of harm occurs to you, or any minor that is in your charge, at any time, for whatever reason, while on any of the grounds comprising the Angry Emu Range, or its surroundings. Name:___________________________________________ Street Address:___________________________________ City:_____________________ State:______ Zip:________ Phone#:__________________ Email:__________________ Names of any minors you are in charge of: 1.)________________________________________ 2.)________________________________________ 3.)________________________________________ 4.)________________________________________ Signature:_________________________________ **************************************************
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ not on form ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please note that I consider the Street address portion of this waiver to be optional, for op-sec reasons. If you have $250K in firearms at your home, and prefer NOT to give me your street address, I understand completely, and actually might prefer to NOT have it.... 
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ not on form ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ************************************************** Edit to add cold range rule. Edit for steel target distances. Edit to change steel ammo rule. Edit for GAhunter's excellent suggestions. Edit for "other" targets and holders. Edit for children and down range personnel. Edit to add cold range indicator, minor typesetting & typos. Edit to add unsure cold range help. Edit to add emergency bucket fling. Edit to add qualifying firearms. Edit to add waiver portion that is on the backside of rules sheet/form |
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Steel core is no problem for AR500. AP is a big no no. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Thank you sir! I have read it both ways on the interwebs. I'm pretty durn certain we've had some Wolf 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 fired at the steel out here, and I have yet to see any problems. I'll make that change. Now, go work on Glockfan's tractor, so he can come and do some bush hogging on the range!
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Some random thoughts from me on this.
Eye pro is a must. I get many pieces of lead splash on the tarp at my place every time we shoot. It would be reasonable to assume that the tarp does not hold magical powers to stop all lead splash and that some may be going beyond the tarps.... like back to the social area. That's why I tell people to wear eye pro anytime the range is hot. I've been out there by myself and had 45acp splash hard onto the roof of the barn. If you are getting permanent signs made up... keep me in mind for one. pistol calibers..... this needs some work as they actually do make a 50bmg pistol. I don't know what steel you have for the pistol berm, but at my place, my plate rack was destroyed by 10mm. It punched right through the ar400 steel that was supposed to be rated for pistols. About $175 later, I have ar500 on there. You may want to list what calibers are a go / no go for that area. Or use muzzle energy? Steel core. Most magnetic ammo is not actually steel core, but a bi-metal jacket. It is not going to punch through ar500. Black tips will. Unfortunately, there are some trolls out there who take fingernail polish remover to black tips / or the black tip has worn off through handling and these rounds find their way into the 'ball ammo' can. I've had a few ar500 plates get clean holes in them during shoots even with telling people not to use AP ammo on the plates. I hope it was an accident and not someone intentionally destroying my property. I don't mag check my ball ammo for my Garand... maybe I should. You might consider putting something on there about donations, and have a secure donation can (locked ammo can with a slot cut in the side?) mounted under the sign. (maybe a second sign for this, so it is only on display when shoots are happening) ?? Maybe have something that this is private property, not a business, not a club, no memberships for sale, you are here at the mercy of the landowner... ?? Whatever minimum distance you put on the sign, I would make sure it matches what the manufacturer of the plates says is safe. tracer and incendiary are allowed only when conditions are favorable - ask the owner / RO prior to use. Decisions of the RO / Owner are final and are not subject to debate. Don't like the rules? Go buy your own place and let the HTF come there 
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Some random thoughts from me on this. Eye pro is a must. I get many pieces of lead splash on the tarp at my place every time we shoot. It would be reasonable to assume that the tarp does not hold magical powers to stop all lead splash and that some may be going beyond the tarps.... like back to the social area. That's why I tell people to wear eye pro anytime the range is hot. I've been out there by myself and had 45acp splash hard onto the roof of the barn. If you are getting permanent signs made up... keep me in mind for one. pistol calibers..... this needs some work as they actually do make a 50bmg pistol. I don't know what steel you have for the pistol berm, but at my place, my plate rack was destroyed by 10mm. It punched right through the ar400 steel that was supposed to be rated for pistols. About $175 later, I have ar500 on there. You may want to list what calibers are a go / no go for that area. Or use muzzle energy? Steel core. Most magnetic ammo is not actually steel core, but a bi-metal jacket. It is not going to punch through ar500. Black tips will. Unfortunately, there are some trolls out there who take fingernail polish remover to black tips / or the black tip has worn off through handling and these rounds find their way into the 'ball ammo' can. I've had a few ar500 plates get clean holes in them during shoots even with telling people not to use AP ammo on the plates. I hope it was an accident and not someone intentionally destroying my property. I don't mag check my ball ammo for my Garand... maybe I should. You might consider putting something on there about donations, and have a secure donation can (locked ammo can with a slot cut in the side?) mounted under the sign. (maybe a second sign for this, so it is only on display when shoots are happening) ?? Maybe have something that this is private property, not a business, not a club, no memberships for sale, you are here at the mercy of the landowner... ?? Whatever minimum distance you put on the sign, I would make sure it matches what the manufacturer of the plates says is safe. tracer and incendiary are allowed only when conditions are favorable - ask the owner / RO prior to use. Decisions of the RO / Owner are final and are not subject to debate. Don't like the rules? Go buy your own place and let the HTF come there
GREAT suggestions!!! TYVM!!! I will keep you in the loop when signs are made! |
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Perhaps a downloadable release that can be printed, sign scanned and returned by email......or turned in the day of the shoot...... Can anyone suggest a source for chamber flags.....? I am going to make some flags out of weed eater string and orange duct tape. Anyone who needs them will be welcome to them. Ramblinwreck is also bringing a bunch last I heard. |
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Perhaps a downloadable release that can be printed, sign scanned and returned by email......or turned in the day of the shoot...... Can anyone suggest a source for chamber flags.....? I'm letting Southerncross handle this one. We talked briefly about it, and one suggestion had been that EVERYONE must have a name tag on to attend, and that you must check in at a registration desk upon arrival, fill out the release, then be given your name tag, and a set of range rules. That way we know we have a release form from everyone, and that they are aware of what is expected of them. I know it's a huge hassle, and a major pain in the hind end. But with at least 50, possibly 75, and an outside chance of 100 folks showing up, we need to do our best to make sure everyone is accounted for. I think this event has reached the stage that it ain't just "you, and me, and a couple a buddies, goofin' with guns" anymore. 
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GREAT suggestions!!! TYVM!!! I will keep you in the loop when signs are made! Quoted:
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Some random thoughts from me on this. Eye pro is a must. I get many pieces of lead splash on the tarp at my place every time we shoot. It would be reasonable to assume that the tarp does not hold magical powers to stop all lead splash and that some may be going beyond the tarps.... like back to the social area. That's why I tell people to wear eye pro anytime the range is hot. I've been out there by myself and had 45acp splash hard onto the roof of the barn. If you are getting permanent signs made up... keep me in mind for one. pistol calibers..... this needs some work as they actually do make a 50bmg pistol. I don't know what steel you have for the pistol berm, but at my place, my plate rack was destroyed by 10mm. It punched right through the ar400 steel that was supposed to be rated for pistols. About $175 later, I have ar500 on there. You may want to list what calibers are a go / no go for that area. Or use muzzle energy? Steel core. Most magnetic ammo is not actually steel core, but a bi-metal jacket. It is not going to punch through ar500. Black tips will. Unfortunately, there are some trolls out there who take fingernail polish remover to black tips / or the black tip has worn off through handling and these rounds find their way into the 'ball ammo' can. I've had a few ar500 plates get clean holes in them during shoots even with telling people not to use AP ammo on the plates. I hope it was an accident and not someone intentionally destroying my property. I don't mag check my ball ammo for my Garand... maybe I should. You might consider putting something on there about donations, and have a secure donation can (locked ammo can with a slot cut in the side?) mounted under the sign. (maybe a second sign for this, so it is only on display when shoots are happening) ?? Maybe have something that this is private property, not a business, not a club, no memberships for sale, you are here at the mercy of the landowner... ?? Whatever minimum distance you put on the sign, I would make sure it matches what the manufacturer of the plates says is safe. tracer and incendiary are allowed only when conditions are favorable - ask the owner / RO prior to use. Decisions of the RO / Owner are final and are not subject to debate. Don't like the rules? Go buy your own place and let the HTF come there
GREAT suggestions!!! TYVM!!! I will keep you in the loop when signs are made! I would be interested in one as well. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Thank you sir! I have read it both ways on the interwebs. I'm pretty durn certain we've had some Wolf 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 fired at the steel out here, and I have yet to see any problems. I'll make that change. Now, go work on Glockfan's tractor, so he can come and do some bush hogging on the range! Quoted:
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Steel core is no problem for AR500. AP is a big no no. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Thank you sir! I have read it both ways on the interwebs. I'm pretty durn certain we've had some Wolf 7.62x39 and 7.62x54 fired at the steel out here, and I have yet to see any problems. I'll make that change. Now, go work on Glockfan's tractor, so he can come and do some bush hogging on the range! There's no telling how many thousands of rounds of steel core hit my targets at the spring shoot and they are still going strong. ( bolts and hose took a beating though) Got the tractor purring like a kitten this afternoon. Still got quite a few things to replace once the new parts come in. Gonna try to get it ready in time. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Quoted: Perhaps a downloadable release that can be printed, sign scanned and returned by email......or turned in the day of the shoot...... Can anyone suggest a source for chamber flags.....? I think i got my big bins of chamber flags from Brownells, I allow students to borrow them or they can buy them for $1. |
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I already ordered 96 flags from CMP (8 packs of 12).
Add a rule "No handling of weapons while anyone is down range." Nothing makes my blood boil more than hearing a bolt slam shut while I am downrange. Possible: "Young children must have responsible adult on line with them." TEA: Eye and ear pro should be highly recommended but not mandatory. That's the way it is at most ranges I shoot. I never wear eye pro shooting highpower matches anywhere. River Bend, Oak Ridge, Ft Benning, Ft Gordon, Camp Perry,... |
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I made up an extra 25 flags this am. Took me 10 minutes and cost me nothing. They will stand out from a distance, I can assure you of that! String trimmer line and orange duct tape. http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q659/talrx1/B337B4F6-C83B-4A58-8F07-C82057432CD2_zpschok5ag1.jpg http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q659/talrx1/9856C3E7-6605-4B31-8257-AEC643A35B19_zps0feypcdf.jpg Looks good! |
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I already ordered 96 flags from CMP (8 packs of 12). Add a rule "No handling of weapons while anyone is down range." Nothing makes my blood boil more than hearing a bolt slam shut while I am downrange. Possible: "Young children must have responsible adult on line with them." TEA: Eye and ear pro should be highly recommended but not mandatory. That's the way it is at most ranges I shoot. I never wear eye pro shooting highpower matches anywhere. River Bend, Oak Ridge, Ft Benning, Ft Gordon, Camp Perry,... Arfcom likes to play with their toys when the range is cold. If you hear a bolt slamming shut, they aren't using the chamber flags. How close will the firing line be to the nearest steel? |
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I already ordered 96 flags from CMP (8 packs of 12). Add a rule "No handling of weapons while anyone is down range." Nothing makes my blood boil more than hearing a bolt slam shut while I am downrange. Possible: "Young children must have responsible adult on line with them." TEA: Eye and ear pro should be highly recommended but not mandatory. That's the way it is at most ranges I shoot. I never wear eye pro shooting highpower matches anywhere. River Bend, Oak Ridge, Ft Benning, Ft Gordon, Camp Perry,... Good catch on both of those! I thought about unloading when range is cold, but didn't think about messing with guns. I like that! I went with direct supervision of kids below 10 all the time, and under 14 at the firing line. I had fully intended to include those, but kept forgetting to put them in. GOOD CATCH!!! I am open to discussion on the ages, but am firm on direct supervision below a given age for BOTH scenarios. I'd like a yea or nay, on the ages please, guys. I don't want to discourage the bringing of kids at all, but I don't want them hurt either!!! |
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I made up an extra 25 flags this am. Took me 10 minutes and cost me nothing. They will stand out from a distance, I can assure you of that! String trimmer line and orange duct tape. http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q659/talrx1/B337B4F6-C83B-4A58-8F07-C82057432CD2_zpschok5ag1.jpg http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q659/talrx1/9856C3E7-6605-4B31-8257-AEC643A35B19_zps0feypcdf.jpg WAY COOL!!!! I'll try to make some up too. No such thing as too many!
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Arfcom likes to play with their toys when the range is cold. If you hear a bolt slamming shut, they aren't using the chamber flags. How close will the firing line be to the nearest steel? Quoted:
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I already ordered 96 flags from CMP (8 packs of 12). Add a rule "No handling of weapons while anyone is down range." Nothing makes my blood boil more than hearing a bolt slam shut while I am downrange. Possible: "Young children must have responsible adult on line with them." TEA: Eye and ear pro should be highly recommended but not mandatory. That's the way it is at most ranges I shoot. I never wear eye pro shooting highpower matches anywhere. River Bend, Oak Ridge, Ft Benning, Ft Gordon, Camp Perry,... Arfcom likes to play with their toys when the range is cold. If you hear a bolt slamming shut, they aren't using the chamber flags. How close will the firing line be to the nearest steel? There's kinda two firing lines, if you will, though both are in line with one another, neither in front of the other, just separated a bit. The rifle line is 100 yards to the closest steel. I believe the pistol line is 25 yards to the steel. It sounds long, but I'm thinking that's not all bad, as it'll give the 10mm and subgun stuff a little distance to shed some velocity. I painted targets today and saw some dimples on some of the pistol steel. Not sure where those came from.... 
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I think we should make one set of rules, that all the ranges can live with. Then we don't have to worry about A,B,or C rules. And make 3 of the same signs if we get to that point.
Thoughts? I am VERY good with that!!! Less confusion, and presents a unified front!!!
Anything in there that you dislike so far? 
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I am VERY good with that!!! Less confusion, and presents a unified front!!!
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I think we should make one set of rules, that all the ranges can live with. Then we don't have to worry about A,B,or C rules. And make 3 of the same signs if we get to that point.
Thoughts? I am VERY good with that!!! Less confusion, and presents a unified front!!!
Anything in there that you dislike so far? Eye pro is mandatory. Close range steel plates. Tannerite. NFA mag dumps. 50BMG When the 50 goes off, dirt will be rapidly going way behind the line. Anyone back in the blast zone, better have eye pro on. Tannerite will send debris in all directions. Lead can splatter 40+ yards. So my recommendation is eye pro for all in attendance (not just at the line) Now when you are doing a paper punching event, you may loosen up on the eye pro rules. Easier to loosen up on the rules, than tighten them. |
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I am VERY good with that!!! Less confusion, and presents a unified front!!!
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I think we should make one set of rules, that all the ranges can live with. Then we don't have to worry about A,B,or C rules. And make 3 of the same signs if we get to that point.
Thoughts? I am VERY good with that!!! Less confusion, and presents a unified front!!!
Anything in there that you dislike so far? Paging Redgoat.... Paging Redgoat. Please pick up a white courtesy phone. 
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Eye pro is mandatory. Close range steel plates. Tannerite. NFA mag dumps. 50BMG When the 50 goes off, dirt will be rapidly going way behind the line. Anyone back in the blast zone, better have eye pro on. Tannerite will send debris in all directions. Lead can splatter 40+ yards. So my recommendation is eye pro for all in attendance (not just at the line) Now when you are doing a paper punching event, you may loosen up on the eye pro rules. Easier to loosen up on the rules, than tighten them. Quoted:
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I think we should make one set of rules, that all the ranges can live with. Then we don't have to worry about A,B,or C rules. And make 3 of the same signs if we get to that point.
Thoughts? I am VERY good with that!!! Less confusion, and presents a unified front!!!
Anything in there that you dislike so far? Eye pro is mandatory. Close range steel plates. Tannerite. NFA mag dumps. 50BMG When the 50 goes off, dirt will be rapidly going way behind the line. Anyone back in the blast zone, better have eye pro on. Tannerite will send debris in all directions. Lead can splatter 40+ yards. So my recommendation is eye pro for all in attendance (not just at the line) Now when you are doing a paper punching event, you may loosen up on the eye pro rules. Easier to loosen up on the rules, than tighten them. Our current first number one rule is: •Eye and ear protection must be worn at all times the range is in use. If you would like to beef that up, I'd have no objections. IMHO, your reasoning is sound. Besides, eye pro is easy for me, I wear glasses!!!
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I think we should make one set of rules, that all the ranges can live with. Then we don't have to worry about A,B,or C rules. And make 3 of the same signs if we get to that point.
Thoughts? I am VERY good with that!!! Less confusion, and presents a unified front!!!
Anything in there that you dislike so far? Paging Redgoat.... Paging Redgoat. Please pick up a white courtesy phone. Here I am.  Finally getting around to making my rounds. I am good with everything posted so far. I still would like to have a face to face meeting of the minds; maybe this wknd. I do some of my best thinking whilst sitting around a campfire. Safety IS paramount; but I don't want it to get to the point of being like a union/ OSHA job site. Common sense should be the rule. (Yes I know some people don't have any)
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Is there a consensus on how far from the line is a reasonably safe distance for eye protection to not be required?... Forty yards, fifty, seventy-five?....Depending on the range set up, making it mandatory everywhere while the range is hot could have the head chef wearing them at the pit 
I only ask because from past experience when developing safety standards, if you make them either unreasonable, unenforceable or vague they become open to opinion which leaves people at risk to what you were trying to protect them from in the first place..... If a distance can be decided, a few signs at the point where they are required makes it simple...."Eye and ear protection required beyond this point" works well..... ....Just throwing the idea out to be chewed up or on....
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Is there a consensus on how far from the line is a reasonably safe distance for eye protection to not be required?... Forty yards, fifty, seventy-five?....Depending on the range set up, making it mandatory everywhere while the range is hot could have the head chef wearing them at the pit
I only ask because from past experience when developing safety standards, if you make them either unreasonable, unenforceable or vague they become open to opinion which leaves people at risk to what you were trying to protect them from in the first place..... If a distance can be decided, a few signs at the point where they are required makes it simple...."Eye and ear protection required beyond this point" works well..... ....Just throwing the idea out to be chewed up or on....
This is the sort of issue I hope to hash out at the "campfire round table". Keep the ideas and/or concerns coming. |
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Is there a consensus on how far from the line is a reasonably safe distance for eye protection to not be required?... Forty yards, fifty, seventy-five?....Depending on the range set up, making it mandatory everywhere while the range is hot could have the head chef wearing them at the pit
I only ask because from past experience when developing safety standards, if you make them either unreasonable, unenforceable or vague they become open to opinion which leaves people at risk to what you were trying to protect them from in the first place..... If a distance can be decided, a few signs at the point where they are required makes it simple...."Eye and ear protection required beyond this point" works well..... ....Just throwing the idea out to be chewed up or on....
Good points! And now that I've had a couple drinks I am ready to solve all the world's probelms
Lead splatter will go 40 yards for certain, 'cause someone caught some at that range at the last shoot. I had a 45 acp ball bounce of a plate and go to the far end of the barn. Maybe 50 yards? I don't know how far it will go. At my place, if you are in the yard, you are in the fallout zone. The angry Emu may need a red line and a yellow line / tape / border. Not sure at Redgoat's place. Hopefully someone with real knowledge about splash and ricochets will chime in here. Tannerite formula. Just created.... using years of experience on this one .... # of pounds of tannerite x 25 yards. Add 50 yards if charge is properly place in an old appliance, add 200 yards in improperly placed.
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Good points! And now that I've had a couple drinks I am ready to solve all the world's probelms
Lead splatter will go 40 yards for certain, 'cause someone caught some at that range at the last shoot. I had a 45 acp ball bounce of a plate and go to the far end of the barn. Maybe 50 yards? I don't know how far it will go. At my place, if you are in the yard, you are in the fallout zone. The angry Emu may need a red line and a yellow line / tape / border. Not sure at Redgoat's place. Hopefully someone with real knowledge about splash and ricochets will chime in here. Tannerite formula. Just created.... using years of experience on this one .... # of pounds of tannerite x 25 yards. Add 50 yards if charge is properly place in an old appliance, add 200 yards in improperly placed.
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Is there a consensus on how far from the line is a reasonably safe distance for eye protection to not be required?... Forty yards, fifty, seventy-five?....Depending on the range set up, making it mandatory everywhere while the range is hot could have the head chef wearing them at the pit
I only ask because from past experience when developing safety standards, if you make them either unreasonable, unenforceable or vague they become open to opinion which leaves people at risk to what you were trying to protect them from in the first place..... If a distance can be decided, a few signs at the point where they are required makes it simple...."Eye and ear protection required beyond this point" works well..... ....Just throwing the idea out to be chewed up or on....
Good points! And now that I've had a couple drinks I am ready to solve all the world's probelms
Lead splatter will go 40 yards for certain, 'cause someone caught some at that range at the last shoot. I had a 45 acp ball bounce of a plate and go to the far end of the barn. Maybe 50 yards? I don't know how far it will go. At my place, if you are in the yard, you are in the fallout zone. The angry Emu may need a red line and a yellow line / tape / border. Not sure at Redgoat's place. Hopefully someone with real knowledge about splash and ricochets will chime in here. Tannerite formula. Just created.... using years of experience on this one .... # of pounds of tannerite x 25 yards. Add 50 yards if charge is properly place in an old appliance, add 200 yards in improperly placed.
Somebody's gonna need to build a 1000yd range for some of my charges
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I hate to say it, but I'm guessing the BBQ pit at the Angry Emu isn't much over 50 yards from the pistol plates. If I were cooking, I'd want eye and ear pro on the whole time!!! We set it up that way so that it wasn't banished to the hinterlands, but the flip side is that it's pretty durn near the firing line. ~Most of the camping area, though, ought to be far enough away to minimize the risk.
Is it really so onerous to wear eyes & ears? Yeah, we shouldn't be stupid, in EITHER direction. But operating out of an abundance of caution might save an eye. And as EVERYONE knows: "it's all fun & games til someone puts an eye out!" 
I never did hear any feedback on the adult supervision of ages 10 & 14?!? Looking forward to ALL comments here, as well as the pow wow on the 12th. |
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Here I am. Finally getting around to making my rounds. I am good with everything posted so far. I still would like to have a face to face meeting of the minds; maybe this wknd. I do some of my best thinking whilst sitting around a campfire. Safety IS paramount; but I don't want it to get to the point of being like a union/ OSHA job site. Common sense should be the rule. (Yes I know some people don't have any)Quoted:
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I think we should make one set of rules, that all the ranges can live with. Then we don't have to worry about A,B,or C rules. And make 3 of the same signs if we get to that point.
Thoughts? I am VERY good with that!!! Less confusion, and presents a unified front!!!
Anything in there that you dislike so far? Paging Redgoat.... Paging Redgoat. Please pick up a white courtesy phone. Here I am. Finally getting around to making my rounds. I am good with everything posted so far. I still would like to have a face to face meeting of the minds; maybe this wknd. I do some of my best thinking whilst sitting around a campfire. Safety IS paramount; but I don't want it to get to the point of being like a union/ OSHA job site. Common sense should be the rule. (Yes I know some people don't have any)Sounds good. I think I can arrange for that
Emu... you still good for Saturday night? And bring Jr and his magical cooler 
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Is there a consensus on how far from the line is a reasonably safe distance for eye protection to not be required?... Forty yards, fifty, seventy-five?....Depending on the range set up, making it mandatory everywhere while the range is hot could have the head chef wearing them at the pit
I only ask because from past experience when developing safety standards, if you make them either unreasonable, unenforceable or vague they become open to opinion which leaves people at risk to what you were trying to protect them from in the first place..... If a distance can be decided, a few signs at the point where they are required makes it simple...."Eye and ear protection required beyond this point" works well..... ....Just throwing the idea out to be chewed up or on....
Good points! And now that I've had a couple drinks I am ready to solve all the world's probelms
Lead splatter will go 40 yards for certain, 'cause someone caught some at that range at the last shoot. I had a 45 acp ball bounce of a plate and go to the far end of the barn. Maybe 50 yards? I don't know how far it will go. At my place, if you are in the yard, you are in the fallout zone. The angry Emu may need a red line and a yellow line / tape / border. Not sure at Redgoat's place. Hopefully someone with real knowledge about splash and ricochets will chime in here. Tannerite formula. Just created.... using years of experience on this one .... # of pounds of tannerite x 25 yards. Add 50 yards if charge is properly place in an old appliance, add 200 yards in improperly placed.
Somebody's gonna need to build a 1000yd range for some of my charges I can prolly stretch, and get ya 500 yards, but we're gonna need a goodly sized dozier to get you 1000!  
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My 2 cents.
Eye pro: I will wear it at the line/ or watching the line 100% of the time. Away from the line I will wear sunglasses depending on the sun. There's times where your eyes just need a break from looking thru plastic. Ear pro: I pretty much will be wearing ear pro thru the whole day. I am a pussy when it comes to gun shot noise. I will double up with in ear and electric over ear while on or near the line and at all times. If someone is shooting will have in ear pro installed. I think a session after lunch off suppressed fire only should be on the agenda for the Fall shoot. That will give some ears a break as well. It also depends on the venue. At GA's the line is right there where most will hang out. At Emu's there is a ton of room where E/E Pro may not be needed depending on how far away from the line you get. |
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My 2 cents. Eye pro: I will wear it at the line/ or watching the line 100% of the time. Away from the line I will wear sunglasses depending on the sun. There's times where your eyes just need a break from looking thru plastic. Ear pro: I pretty much will be wearing ear pro thru the whole day. I am a pussy when it comes to gun shot noise. I will double up with in ear and electric over ear while on or near the line and at all times. If someone is shooting will have in ear pro installed. I think a session after lunch off suppressed fire only should be on the agenda for the Fall shoot. That will give some ears a break as well. It also depends on the venue. At GA's the line is right there where most will hang out. At Emu's there is a ton of room where E/E Pro may not be needed depending on how far away from the line you get. IMHO, your 2¢ is sensible. On the line, or in the immediate vicinity, good eye pro is essential. As you distance yourself from the line, I don't feel high quality eye pro is quite as necessary. However, some sort of protection is still VERY desirable, even at a distance. At 50+ yards from the pistol steel, while you may catch some fragments, the energy behind them should be mostly spent. BUT, even a mostly spent piece of razor sharp, jagged copper, can slice right thru your eye, if you have nothing on your face to protect them! So yeah, swap out away from the line, just be sure to swap back when you're front and center again!
Anybody foolish enough to go without ear pro, that is standing within a couple hundred yards of the firing line, deserves to go deaf. That's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned! I too, am fond of **sub-sonic** suppressed fire, during and/or after lunch. Not that I own any, but being able to hear those cans at work, with no ear pro, never ceases to amaze me!!!
I'd say we're on the same page.
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The bucket works great.
"Going cold" is the cease fire and safe your weapons. "Cold" when the weapons are put up and it is safe to go down range and remove ear and eye pro. In case of emergency... The bucket gets flung down range. It is not a moving target . Cease fire immediately - do not finish your mag. Wait for the RO to give instructions.
Since we share a lot of weapons at these... If you are unsure as to what is happening while you are on the line. Hold the weapon down range and raise one hand. Help will be there asap. |
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The bucket works great. "Going cold" is the cease fire and safe your weapons. "Cold" when the weapons are put up and it is safe to go down range and remove ear and eye pro. In case of emergency... The bucket gets flung down range. It is not a moving target . Cease fire immediately - do not finish your mag. Wait for the RO to give instructions.
Since we share a lot of weapons at these... If you are unsure as to what is happening while you are on the line. Hold the weapon down range and raise one hand. Help will be there asap. Added minor chages to "range going cold", "emergency bucket fling" and "RO firing line help" Hope these look ok to you. If not, sing out!
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Have you thought about waivers? The last 3 times I went to the Youtube shoot here in Atlanta, we all signed comprehensive waivers that protected the landowner. I can email you a copy. I've got a waiver printed on the backside of the rules, but I'd love to see some others! I'll try to post what I've got on there tomorrow. Basically you sign one and keep one, that way you can't say you didn't know what the rules were, cuz you just signed that you received a copy of what you just signed and handed in. Thanks for reminding me about the waiver part!!! |
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Waiver on the back side of the posted rules:
By signing this form, you are affirming that you have read, understand, and received, an exact copy of the rules printed on the opposite side; that you endorse them, and agree to abide by them; that you will hold the Owners of the range, Hosts of this event, Range Officers, and/or any other party in attendance, blameless, in the event that any sort of harm occurs to you, or any minor that is in your charge, at any time, for whatever reason, while on any of the grounds comprising the Angry Emu Range, or its surroundings. Name:___________________________________________ Street Address:___________________________________ City:_____________________ State:______ Zip:________ Phone#:__________________ Email:__________________ Names of any minors you are in charge of: 1.)________________________________________ 2.)________________________________________ 3.)________________________________________ 4.)________________________________________ Signature:_________________________________ ****************************************************************************** ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ not on form ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Please note that I consider the Street address portion of this waiver to be optional, for op-sec reasons. If you have $250K in firearms at your home, and prefer NOT to give me your street address, I understand completely, and actually might prefer to NOT have it....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ not on form ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ****************************************************************************** Waiver-type paragraph in the rules on the front side of the form: •Range not responsible for ANY items damaged, lost, or stolen. Shooting firearms is an inherently dangerous activity. The Angry Emu Range, it's owners, any hosts, ROs, and/or organizers, of any event held herewith, are NOT responsible for ANY injuries, dismemberment, or death, that may occur while using these facilities, or while on ANY part of the surrounding premises, due to accident, negligence, or purposeful action, of ANY persons, or which may occur during the use, or misuse, of ANY equipment. Any suggestions, changes, or additions to any of the above, are welcomed and encouraged! |
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