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1/26/2007 3:46:20 AM EDT
Lower receivers can a person buy, is there a limit? Can a person sell one stripped or fully assembled as a rifle? If so whats the ruling on that?
1/26/2007 3:58:13 AM EDT
[#1]
What's the limit on your credit card?  
1/26/2007 6:25:38 AM EDT
[#2]
I'm not aware of any limits.  If there were a limit on firearms, I'm sure I'd be over limit by now.

As far as I know, the lower reciever is sold as a rifle, whether it is stripped, or completed.  That is why it has a serial number and the upper doesn't.
1/26/2007 7:02:08 AM EDT
[#3]
If I understand correctly, five in a 30 period, unless you're an FFL.

But, I am often wrong about these things.
1/26/2007 7:07:08 AM EDT
[#4]
not sure bout that, bought over(think 7) 5 guns at once last year thru a dealer


Quoted:
If I understand correctly, five in a 30 period, unless you're an FFL.

But, I am often wrong about these things.
1/26/2007 7:07:42 AM EDT
[#5]
I'm not sure if there is a limit or not.

But if you are planning on assembling quite a few and selling them, the tax man and BATFE may come visit you.

Steve
1/26/2007 7:36:22 AM EDT
[#6]
In WA, you are not limited to the number of firearms you may purchase (except on how much paperwork you can fill out at the dealer before he closes).  This is also why there is a separate "blue" handgun transfer form for EACH pistol, so that it slows the process down considerably...  (Not to mention gives the DOL plenty of work and reason to employ more key-punchers.)

And federally, there is a another sheet used to record the sale of 2+ handguns transferred in a week to a single person.  At least on this sheet, you just list the guns, but they keep this information in a DB and frequently share it with local gov's so they can target "traffic'ers" (ie, harass a lot of enthusiasts for each loser they do find).
1/26/2007 8:05:15 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:
If I understand correctly, five in a 30 period, unless you're an FFL.

But, I am often wrong about these things.


The old man is trying to say that if you buy stripped receivers, build them into complete firearms and subsequently sell them; then you're limited to five sales in a thirty-month period (I thought it was a year--I guess we'll have to wait for Phil to chime in).  Any more than that, you're a manufacturer in the BATFE's eyes.  Manufacturing without the appropriate FFL may score you some time with Bubba in Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

For personal use / collection:  how much can you afford on your credit card?
1/26/2007 8:25:48 AM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

The old man is trying to say that if you buy stripped receivers, build them into complete firearms and subsequently sell them; then you're limited to five sales in a thirty-month period (I thought it was a year--I guess we'll have to wait for Phil to chime in).  
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I have some knowledge on that matter, but there's a good chance KA3B will call me a troll again.  
1/26/2007 8:41:21 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
If I understand correctly, five in a 30 period, unless you're an FFL.

But, I am often wrong about these things.


The old man is trying to say that if you buy stripped receivers, build them into complete firearms and subsequently sell them; then you're limited to five sales in a thirty-month period (I thought it was a year--I guess we'll have to wait for Phil to chime in).  Any more than that, you're a manufacturer in the BATFE's eyes.  Manufacturing without the appropriate FFL may score you some time with Bubba in Federal pound-me-in-the-ass prison.

For personal use / collection:  how much can you afford on your credit card?
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I'm not aware of there ever having been a set number of acquisition and disposals that places a person into the dealing without a license category.

Statutory language is as such



10) The term "manufacturer" means any person engaged in the
   business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition for purposes of
   sale or distribution; and the term "licensed manufacturer" means
   any such person licensed under the provisions of this chapter.

(11) The term "dealer" means (A) any person engaged in the
   business of selling firearms at wholesale or retail, (B) any person
   engaged in the business of repairing firearms or of making or
   fitting special barrels, stocks, or trigger mechanisms to firearms,
   or (C) any person who is a pawnbroker. The term "licensed dealer"
   means any dealer who is licensed under the provisions of this
   chapter.




(21) The term "engaged in the business" means -
       (A) as applied to a manufacturer of firearms, a person who
     devotes time, attention, and labor to manufacturing firearms as a
     regular course of trade or business with the principal objective
     of livelihood and profit through the sale or distribution of the
     firearms manufactured;

(D) as applied to a dealer in firearms, as defined in section
     921(a)(11)(B), a person who devotes time, attention, and labor to
     engaging in such activity as a regular course of trade or
     business with the principal objective of livelihood and profit,
     but such term shall not include a person who makes occasional
     repairs of firearms, or who occasionally fits special barrels,
     stocks, or trigger mechanisms to firearms;


The other big issue is excise tax, when you take a stripped lower and turn it into a complete rifle you have manufactured a firearm. Doing this for yourself is fine.  Doing it in a manner that falls into the descriptions above also puts you in violation of Title 27 Chapter I Part 53 MANUFACTURERS EXCISE TAXES--FIREARMS AND AMMUNITION, which of course there is no mechanism in place for you to pay unless you are a licensed manufacturer.


Look if you're planning on buying two or three receivers and wondering if you can sell one or two off if you find yourself not needing them sure you can do that, you can even sell one or two after you've made them into complete rifles.  

However if you are doing that on a continuous basis or you are planning on buying 100 receivers and selling 99 of them so you can make enough profit to get yours for free then you might want to email Martha Stewart for tips on decorating a prison cell.
1/26/2007 3:02:29 PM EDT
[#10]
not really planning on selling any. just ordered a new receiver and was thinking of ordering another.

If in ten years i wanted to sell or give one to my boys and daughter I didn't want Uncle Sammy getting pissed at me.
1/26/2007 10:29:06 PM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
not really planning on selling any. just ordered a new receiver and was thinking of ordering another.

If in ten years i wanted to sell or give one to my boys and daughter I didn't want Uncle Sammy getting pissed at me.

At this time that would be legal.  (ASS-U-Meing that your boys, daughter, and/or person you give or sell to can legally posses whatever you wind up building.)
In ten years?  Ask us then.
1/27/2007 5:28:15 AM EDT
[#12]
In ten years the youngest will be 22 the oldest 31 so I think I'll be ok

I just didn't want some sort of red flag raised because I get a wild hair and wanted to build more than one in a certain time period. Thanks for the info guys.