Posted: 7/6/2009 4:28:27 PM EDT
| My parents have a cattle farm. To supplement the herds grazing and hay, they have a silage bin that they get corn from to give to cows. The grain that spills on the ground has become such a popular spot for the deer woodchucks and raccoons it's getting out of control. So my first question is will the DNR allow a my dad a nuisance permit, and if not come deer season would it be illegal to take them at the bin? He's seen as many as 10 deer at the bin at one time. |
| As far as i know, I think they will U just might have to jump through the right hoops. Either way I wouldnt take any does right now, while they have fawns and all. Im sure during the season they can use the landowner permits , but im not sure how many u can take legally. It also depends wer they live( what happens on the farm ,stays on the farm)Thats how it works wer Im from anyway. good luck |
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I believe that in order to get depredation permits for deer, you have to show a financial loss –– such as crops being consumed in large quantities, etc. Your best bet would be to call the IDNR and find out the specifics.
As for hunting over the corn spillings, the IDNR considers that baiting, which is illegal in Indiana. Any remnants of bait must be removed from the area you plan to hunt 10 days prior to hunting. |
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As for hunting over the corn spillings, the IDNR considers that baiting, which is illegal in Indiana. Any remnants of bait must be removed from the area you plan to hunt 10 days prior to hunting.
Actually a very similar question was asked of a CO on another board I'm on. Specifically if it was considered baiting to hunt an area where spillage was on the ground from harvesting - the CO said this was not considered baiting. I would talk to a CO in you district. |
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As for hunting over the corn spillings, the IDNR considers that baiting, which is illegal in Indiana. Any remnants of bait must be removed from the area you plan to hunt 10 days prior to hunting.
Actually a very similar question was asked of a CO on another board I'm on. Specifically if it was considered baiting to hunt an area where spillage was on the ground from harvesting - the CO said this was not considered baiting. I would talk to a CO in you district. Yeah, but this corn is being spilled from a silo. I can understand spillage from harvest, but this situation here is a definite gray area that only the IDNR can address. 
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As for hunting over the corn spillings, the IDNR considers that baiting, which is illegal in Indiana. Any remnants of bait must be removed from the area you plan to hunt 10 days prior to hunting.
Actually a very similar question was asked of a CO on another board I'm on. Specifically if it was considered baiting to hunt an area where spillage was on the ground from harvesting - the CO said this was not considered baiting. I would talk to a CO in you district. Yeah, but this corn is being spilled from a silo. I can understand spillage from harvest, but this situation here is a definite gray area that only the IDNR can address. It had been addressed. If the grain was not intentionally used for baiting then there is no laws being broken. Putting grian into an auger spills, no way around it. |
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My parents have a cattle farm. To supplement the herds grazing and hay, they have a silage bin that they get corn from to give to cows. The grain that spills on the ground has become such a popular spot for the deer woodchucks and raccoons it's getting out of control. So my first question is will the DNR allow a my dad a nuisance permit, and if not come deer season would it be illegal to take them at the bin? He's seen as many as 10 deer at the bin at one time. What county are you in? |
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A landowner permit should be no problem. If the property is zoned agricultural, yes, deer can be taken with landowner tags for free, but all hunting rules would apply –– season dates, bag limits, weapons, etc. If they want to kill them now (out of season), they'll need to get the IDNR to issue them depredation permits after proving a financial loss. |
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A landowner permit should be no problem. If the property is zoned agricultural, yes, deer can be taken with landowner tags for free, but all hunting rules would apply –– season dates, bag limits, weapons, etc. If they want to kill them now (out of season), they'll need to get the IDNR to issue them depredation permits after proving a financial loss. You can have one acre in the city of Indianapolis, and kill deer for free on your land with a bow(no guns in city limits). As long as you are the landowner or a child living on the land. Ag has nothing to do with the landowner tag.Like you said though, all hunting regulations must be followed. And its either land owner tag, or depredation permit. Depredation permit you can use a rifle out of season, wackem and stackem. |
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You can have one acre in the city of Indianapolis, and kill deer for free on your land with a bow(no guns in city limits). As long as you are the landowner or a child living on the land. Ag has nothing to do with the landowner tag.Like you said though, all hunting regulations must be followed. The hunting regulations specifically state that your property must be farmland to be exempt from buying tags. License Exemptions
Landowners and lessees of farmland who farm that land and are residents of Indiana, their spouses and children living with them, while hunting, fishing or trapping on the land they own or lease. This exemption does not apply to land owned by a business, corporation or partnership, unless the shareholders, partners, members or owners are comprised solely of the members of an immediate family and farm that land. Farmland means agricultural land that is devoted or best adaptable for the production of crops, fruits, timber or the raising of livestock, or is assessed as agricultural land for property tax purposes. The above quote was taken from page 3 of the 2009-2010 Indiana Hunting & Trapping Guide. http://www.in.gov/dnr/fishwild/files/fw-huntguide_lowres.pdf The reason I know this is that my brother lives on 40 wooded acres that he and my father own. It is crawling with deer, but he would be required to buy tags if he wished to kill them, since it is not farmed. Just owning and living on the property is not enough. That said, I have a lifetime hunting license, so I go over there and kill them. 
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M4 I see where you got your info at. http://www.hoosierhunting.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/16/707.html I will call to confirm, but I believe the farmland part changed in the last few years. Yep, I posted that question on my brother's behalf. The "farmland" definition is included in the newest edition of the hunting regulations, so it is still in effect. |
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Yea, you may be right.
http://huntingindiana.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=coanswers&action=display&thread=23299 But it looks like it could be a gray area left up to your county CO |
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But then theres post like this where the CO doesnt even ask about the land and its use.
http://huntingindiana.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=coanswers&action=display&thread=22438 |
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Yea, you may be right. http://huntingindiana.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=coanswers&action=display&thread=23299 But it looks like it could be a gray area left up to your county CO A lifetime license trumps a landowner tag in this situation, since all bag limits are still in effect with either. Free tags are free tags.
I'd say that you'd get multiple answers from different CO's, just like you do when asking LEO's questions about the law. But then theres post like this where the CO doesnt even ask about the land and its use.
http://huntingindiana.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=coanswers&action=display&thread=22438 The same CO answered all three of these posts (mine included). He indicated in mine that it does indeed need to be "farmland", so my guess is that he just assumed that the other two guys knew that they needed farmland and didn't question them on it. The entire rule is just too cloudy for a hunter to clarify. It's probably better to err on the side of caution and buy tags if you own land that isn't farmed. |
I have asked the question about "Landowner/Tenant" status to several CO's over the years. I have checked in deer for over 16 years. This comes up often. The overwhelming majority of CO's maintain that it matters not about the amount of acreage that one owns or rents. It matters if the land "can" be used for agricultural use. Having a garden on one's property will suffice. A grove of nut, or fruit, trees will do it too. Just as a matter of saying...It's your land, and you pay property tax, so shoot the deer, tag them, and check them in a at a check station of your choice. No one will bother you. Trust me. The exemption reads "Farmland means agricultural land that is devoted or best adaptable for the production of crops, fruits, timber or the raising of livestock, or is assessed as agricultural land for property tax purposes". A CO that I know once said to me.."Kill all that you can. They'll make more" I love that phrase.
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