Posted: 2/22/2011 1:44:22 PM EDT
| So basically, I was told there are classes being offered by "NRA" instructors that will be ISP approved material, and qualified in the event Illinois passes CCW. Can't remember hour many hours but includes classroom and range instruction. Has anyone else heard about these classes? I think it is a sham until the ink is dry. |
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So basically, I was told there are classes being offered by "NRA" instructors that will be ISP approved material, and qualified in the event Illinois passes CCW. Can't remember hour many hours but includes classroom and range instruction. Has anyone else heard about these classes? I think it is a sham until the ink is dry. Sounds like bogus to me. While training is never a bad thing, these is simply no way to know what the statutory requirement would be for the training were a bill to be passed. Knowing IL you will have to have 40 hours of class time and fire 1,000 rounds in range time or something. 
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Until a CCW law is passed and enacted, I don't see how anyone can predict what the licensing requirements will be. Exactly. The only "sure way" is to take a class from the company that "sponsors" teh bill, much like MN's CCW. |
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Quoted: So basically, I was told there are classes being offered by "NRA" instructors that will be ISP approved material, and qualified in the event Illinois passes CCW. Can't remember hour many hours but includes classroom and range instruction. Has anyone else heard about these classes? I think it is a sham until the ink is dry. Gonna be a lot of pissed off people if we pass CCW and don't require training.  The only class I know of right now that is ISP approved in the 40hr firearms course that they teach at the academy. And if you are taking it at the academy CCW isn't really an issue to you.  |
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After the law is passed the Illinois Law Enforcement Training Standards Board will furnish a standardized training course using the following:
(1) Eight hours of classroom instruction, covering at 14 least the following topics: 15 (i) handgun safety in the classroom, at home, on 16 the firing range and while carrying the firearm; 17 (ii) the basic principles of marksmanship; 18 (iii) care and cleaning of handguns; 19 (iv) by means of a videotape produced or approved 20 by the Board: 21 (A) the requirements for obtaining a concealed 22 firearms permit in this State; 23 (B) laws relating to firearms as prescribed in 24 the Firearm Owners Identification Card Act, 25 Article 24 of the Criminal Code of 1961, and 18 1 U.S.C. 921 through 930; and 2 (C) laws relating to the justifiable use of 3 force as prescribed in Article 7 of the Criminal 4 Code of 1961; 5 (v) a written exam not to exceed 100 questions 6 testing the knowledge of the applicant on the subject 7 matter covered in the course. 8 (2) Live firing exercises of sufficient duration for 9 each applicant to fire a handgun: 10 (i) from a standing position; 11 (ii) a minimum of 20 rounds; 12 (iii) at a distance of 7 yards from a B-21 13 silhouette target, or an equivalent as approved by the 14 Board. 15 (b) The classroom portion of the course may be, at the 16qualified firearms instructor's discretion, divided into 17segments of not less than 2 hours each. 18 (c) (1) An applicant training course shall not be open to 19persons who are less than 21 years of age. 20 (2) Applicant training course students shall complete a 21course application form, which shall include a statement 22acknowledging receipt of copies of pertinent statutory 23provisions listed in clauses (A), (B), and (C) of subparagraph 24(iv) of paragraph (1) of subsection (a) and a liability waiver. 25 (3) The course application form may be obtained from the 26qualified firearms instructor at the time of the course. 1 (d) At the conclusion of the classroom portion of the 2applicant training course, the qualified firearms instructor 3shall: 4 (1) distribute a standard course examination to the 5 students; 6 (2) not leave the room in which the examination is 7 being held while the examination is in progress; 8 (3) collect examination booklets and answer sheets 9 from each student at the end of the examination period; 10 (4) not grade the examinations in the presence of 11 students; and 12 (5) not divulge an applicant's numeric score on the day 13 of the examination, but the instructor may indicate whether 14 an applicant passed or failed the examination. 15 (f) A person shall not: 16 (1) Make an unauthorized copy of the applicant training 17 course examination, in whole or in part; 18 (2) Possess the applicant training course examination, 19 or questions from the examination, unless authorized by the 20 Department; or 21 (3) Divulge the contents of an applicant training 22 course examination question to another person. 23 (g) (1) Students shall provide their own safe, functional 24handgun and factory-loaded ammunition. 25 (2) Prior to conducting range firing, the certified 26firearms instructor shall: 1 (i) inspect each applicant's firearm; and 2 (ii) not allow the firing of a handgun that is not in 3 sound mechanical condition or otherwise may pose a safety 4 hazard. 5 (h) Grades of "passing" shall not be given on range work to 6an applicant who: 7 (1) does not follow the orders of the certified 8 firearms instructor; 9 (2) in the judgment of the certified firearms 10 instructor, handles a firearm in a manner that poses a 11 danger to the applicant or to others; or 12 (3) during the testing portion of the range work fails 13 to hit the silhouette portion of the target with a majority 14 of 20 rounds. 15 (i) Certified firearms instructors shall: 16 (1) allow monitoring of their classes by officials of 17 any certifying agency; 18 (2) make all course records available upon demand to 19 authorized personnel of the Board; and 20 (3) not divulge course records except as authorized by 21 the certifying agency. 22 (j)(1) Fees for applicant training courses shall not exceed 23$125 per student. 24 (2) Qualified firearms instructors shall collect the 25 fee and remit $25 of the fee to the Board. 26 (3) Fees shall not be refunded to students who fail or 1 otherwise do not complete the course. 2 (k) An applicant training course shall not have more than 340 students in the classroom portion or more than 5 students 4per range officer engaged in range firing. 5 (l) Within 3 working days after the completion of the 6course, the certified firearms instructor shall: 7 (1) grade the examinations, and 8 (2) mail to the Board: 9 (i) the completed course application form, showing 10 the student's score on the written examination and 11 indicating whether the student passed or failed the 12 range work, and 13 (ii) the graded examinations. 14 (m) Within 15 days after receipt of the material described 15in subsection (1), the Board shall mail to the applicant: 16 (i) A certificate of successful course completion; or 17 (ii) Notification that the applicant has failed the 18 course and will not be certified. 19 (n) A student shall be issued a certificate of completion 20if he or she: 21 (i) answers at least 70% of the written examination 22 questions correctly; and 23 (ii) achieves a grade of "passing" on the range work. 24 (o) (i) Students who score below 70% on the written 25examination may retake the examination one time without having 26to retake the course. 1 (ii) Students who do not achieve a grade of "passing" 2 on the range work may repeat the range work twice without 3 having to retake the course. 4 (iii) Notices of failure will include information on 5 whether the student failed the written exam, the range 6 firing, or both. |
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So basically, I was told there are classes being offered by "NRA" instructors that will be ISP approved material, and qualified in the event Illinois passes CCW. Can't remember hour many hours but includes classroom and range instruction. Has anyone else heard about these classes? I think it is a sham until the ink is dry. Gonna be a lot of pissed off people if we pass CCW and don't require training.
The only class I know of right now that is ISP approved in the 40hr firearms course that they teach at the academy. And if you are taking it at the academy CCW isn't really an issue to you.
seems to me it ain't gunna be anytime soon that IL passes any kinda carry - |
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I don't figure IL will pass a ccw bill any time soon.
Even if they do they will make it so hard and expensive to get a license that most people will just say the heck with it. 40 hour classes, who can take the time off from work to attend them, vacation time takes away from family. Cost of the classes. Cost of license, they will price it so high a lot of people can't afford it. Paper work out the wazzoo, and the wait for paper work to be processed. It took 4 weeks just to get my renewal for my FOID. Even ,with all of this, I would get the license. But by then I'll probably be too old to hold a gun or remember what a gun was. |
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AKRay, Do you have some inside info on a soon to be implemented bill? Tell us more!! March 8th is the big day for this bill. HB0148 |
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AKRay, Do you have some inside info on a soon to be implemented bill? Tell us more!! March 8th is the big day for this bill. HB0148 Oh OK. I'm familiar with HB 148. If it gets implemented, the course description you listed above appears to be correct. Although wordy, it doesn't appear to be too difficult. It looks like an all day deal, but I'll be the first in line. |