Is this a constitutional crisis for Missouri? (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/6/2026 12:21:01 PM EDT
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TLDR version: The state Supreme Court has ordered that a referendum on the legislative district maps approved by legislature must appear on the 2026 General Election Ballot in November. Because there is a pending referendum, the court says the new maps don't apply and the election will be based on the previous maps. This despite the fact that candidates appearing on the ballot were selected in districts based on the new maps created by the legislature. What a mess! I'm not going to weigh in, but I'm curious as to the hive's thoughts. For those not paying attention here's a summary of events to date: • The Republican legislature passed a new legislative district map in 2025. The map favors Republicans (duh) and seeks to Gerrymander Emmanuel Clever out of office by breaking up his heavily Democratic district in the Kansas City area. • A citizen-led initiative petition was circulated to put the new district map before voters in a referendum. Acceptance of the petition would (by the constitution) put the new map on hold pending the outcome of the referendum. • Secretary of State Denny Hoskins slow-walked the petition until the last minute and then declared it "insufficient," claiming the constitution does not permit citizen referendum review of legislative maps created by the General Assembly. • A lower court upheld Hoskins ruling and the August primary was conducted using the new 2025 map. The most significant outcome of this is that Republican Rick Bratten will go up against incumbent Congressman Emmanuel Cleaver for Missouri's Fifth Congressional District seat. • A lawsuit challenging the denial of the initiative petition was heard by the Missouri Supreme Court. Last week, the court ruled that Hoskins' determination was flawed for various reasons and said that not only must the referendum appear on the upcoming general election ballot but that the 2025 districts never, in fact, took effect and that the upcoming general election would use the previous (2022) district map. (You can read the decision here.) • Hoskins and Missouri's Attorney General have appealed the decision of the state Supreme Court to the U.S. Supreme Court. Here's some articles from the (not-pay-walled) Missouri Independent to get you up to speed: Looming ballot deadline complicates GOP appeal of Missouri redistricting decision Republican officials ask US Supreme Court to overturn Missouri redistricting ruling Missouri Supreme Court blocks gerrymandered congressional map, orders referendum vote Missouri voters will decide limits on lawmakers rewriting ballot measures |
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Kansas City already played this game a few years ago, when they redrew the city map to take away any semblance of representation of the northland area, by breaking it up and mixing it into the inner city. Anyone who sees that map, know exaxtly what they did. Punish the productive areas of the city that contain tax payers, to increase representation in the welfare saturated slums. Exactly why politics is the worst thing in the world to dedicate time to, its just an endless sea of retarded, containing the worst personalities. It doesnt matter what letter is next to your name. TLDR: who cares. |
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Originally Posted By WillieTangoFox: Kansas City already played this game a few years ago, when they redrew the city map to take away any semblance of representation of the northland area, by breaking it up and mixing it into the inner city. Anyone who sees that map, know exaxtly what they did. Punish the productive areas of the city that contain tax payers, to increase representation in the welfare saturated slums. Exactly why politics is the worst thing in the world to dedicate time to, its just an endless sea of retarded, containing the worst personalities. It doesnt matter what letter is next to your name. TLDR: who cares. Then when were share our pain and frustration here, the braintrusts will chest up in a rush to display their wisdom and tell us to just leave our homes and move too the next free state, till its done the same way. Rinse and repeat... So, I care, even if its pointless. I can't not... I've tried. |
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And this is what happens when you allow initiative petitions pass with a 50.1% margin in the State of Missouri. But no, 80% of the state wanted to keep their "right" per the media (actually only 30% of 66%.....less than a million voters because a vast majority don't vote.) Amendment 6 is the bigger threat. If that passes, anything conservative or Republican measure in the state will get overturned the next year, and we will have 500 liberal amendments to the constitution just like California in no time. The legislature can and will be bypassed and overturned on everything, and they won't be able to do anything about it because we will never have 80% to overturn IP through the legislature. If this isn't the perfect case study why a state needs a strong constitution, I don't know what is. Republican super majority and Governor, yet the liberals are about to seize total and perpetual control, bypassing the Senate, House, and Governor. Unfreakin believable how this was allowed to even have the threat of happening. Edit.....BTW, Denny Hoskins "slow walking" the map is what might actually save it. Pretty strategic move on his part I believe. |
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Originally Posted By delorean: Edit.....BTW, Denny Hoskins "slow walking" the map is what might actually save it. Pretty strategic move on his part I believe. Republicans created Missouri’s redistricting mess. Now they’re furious about it. ETA: I said I won't weigh in, but I've got to ask. Is it really appropriate for the state's chief election official to be "strategic" in favor of one side or the other? Isn't the Secretary of State supposed to be more like an impartial referee? |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Republicans created Missouri’s redistricting mess. Now they’re furious about it. ETA: I said I won't weigh in, but I've got to ask. Is it really appropriate for the state's chief election official to be "strategic" in favor of one side or the other? Isn't the Secretary of State supposed to be more like an impartial referee? @Bladeswitcher You are assuming you know his motivation. What if his motivation is impartial? What if he is trying to use his position to reflect the will of the majority and the intent of constitution? Ultimately, we are a representative form of gov't that is only adequate if we are a moral and Faithful people. Mo problems and US problems aren't legal or gov't problems: they are people problems. Legal and gov't is downstream of morality. They simply reflect the people. The erosion of morality began in 1913 with the advent of the Fed and income tax. It was given a major boost in the FDR years and turbo-charged in the 60's by LBJ and MLK [who was a communist]. The public school system has been driven by communists beginning with John Dewey in the early 20th century. It is truly simple: either God is God or man is god. God knows Who He is, man is confused. |
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I fear pure democracy. I've seen my neighbors' spending and hygiene habits. There are probably more of them than there are of me. I'm very much ok with a built in braking system to any kind of "transformative" legislation. We need long, hard, in depth discussion before anything is changed on a whim. I'm in favor of having initiative and referendum, but the threshold for passage on Constitutional amendments needs to be higher. Likewise, it's the legislatures job to apportion the state. THAT shouldn't be a crisis. |
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Hoskins should have rejected this at the very start. First, if it was even legally it couldn't take effect this year because the primary is in August, it would have to be done next year or early 2028 for the election. It was already too late. Notice with this, and amendment 4, 5, 6 the liberals are pouring a lot of money on facebook and twitter ads? I mean fb all I get in my feeds. The comments on the news articles and posts are also about 80 percent liberal too. IS it liberals use social media more, or are they paid hacks? These groups and protesters at this events are mostly old hippies, purple haired brigade, LGBTQRSTU, and beta looking males. Same with democrat candidates notice how most of them have a beta male look and some don't look straight as well. Yet I see the liberals screaming loud. I've been tearing liberals apart the best I can on facebook and twitter but I'm only one person. |
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Originally Posted By Deuskid: Then you really don't seek the only viable solution to your question. But he claims he worked in the Capital building so he has implies he has the inside track.........yet it was years ago won't share which liberal or rino he worked for. But he claims posts all this as a public service--informational only and party neutral........then argues all the liberal talking points. "Not going there", "gonna sit this one out", etc. Yep, that's what got us where we are. |
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Originally Posted By delorean: But he claims he worked in the Capital building so he has implies he has the inside track.........yet it was years ago won't share which liberal or rino he worked for. But he claims posts all this as a public service--informational only and party neutral........then argues all the liberal talking points. "Not going there", "gonna sit this one out", etc. Yep, that's what got us where we are. Wow. I'm definitely sensing some animosity in your response. FWIW, none of this is personal with me. Perhaps it is with you. Whatever I did to offend you, I apologize. For the record, I worked for the Missouri Senate's non-partisan communications staff from late 2018 through the end of the 2023 legislative session. I wrote for 11 different senators across five legislative sessions. Ten of those were Republicans. One was a Democrat. Three legislative sessions have passed since I worked at the Capitol and most of the senators I wrote for have term-limited out or left for other positions. Whatever inside information I once had is ancient history now. I no longer live in Missouri so my opinion is now irrelevant. That said, I'm still interested in state politics and public policy. (My wife and I still own property in the state.) I was waiting for somebody else to post about this issue that I feel is pretty important but nobody did. I figured I'd start the conversation to see what people on the MO HTF were thinking. If y'all don't want to talk about it, that's fine. The thread will drop off the first page and disappear into oblivion. |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Wow. I'm definitely sensing some animosity in your response. FWIW, none of this is personal with me. Perhaps it is with you. Whatever I did to offend you, I apologize. For the record, I worked for the Missouri Senate's non-partisan communications staff from late 2018 through the end of the 2023 legislative session. I wrote for 11 different senators across five legislative sessions. Ten of those were Republicans. One was a Democrat. Three legislative sessions have passed since I worked at the Capitol and most of the senators I wrote for have term-limited out or left for other positions. Whatever inside information I once had is ancient history now. I no longer live in Missouri so my opinion is now irrelevant. That said, I'm still interested in state politics and public policy. (My wife and I still own property in the state.) I was waiting for somebody else to post about this issue that I feel is pretty important but nobody did. I figured I'd start the conversation to see what people on the MO HTF were thinking. If y'all don't want to talk about it, that's fine. The thread will drop off the first page and disappear into oblivion. If we don't want to talk about it????? What about you? You explicitly said YOU didn't want to address my post. |
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Originally Posted By Deuskid: If we don't want to talk about it????? What about you? You explicitly said YOU didn't want to address my post. As I stated above. I no longer live in Missouri. What I think doesn't matter. I am curious what y'all think, however. But more to the point, I don't want to address your post because I'm not willing to publicly express moral judgements about individuals and their motivations. |
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Missouri is suffering from the same issue every state suffers from; the political gulf between the rural areas and major urban centers is huge. I blame Reynolds v. Sims for how dysfunctional and unbalanced most State legislature are. Ideally the State Legislature would be structured like the US Congress but instead we have essentially two House of Representatives, one is just smaller than the other. A true Senate that could force compromise between rural and urban would be nice. 
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: Missouri is suffering from the same issue every state suffers from; the political gulf between the rural areas and major urban centers is huge. I blame Reynolds v. Sims for how dysfunctional and unbalanced most State legislature are. Ideally the State Legislature would be structured like the US Congress but instead we have essentially two House of Representatives, one is just smaller than the other. A true Senate that could force compromise between rural and urban would be nice. Look at these communist groups like "people not politicians" They're headed by a communist. Also look at their events and that. Every photo I've seen it's a bunch of old hags, old hippies, beta males, purple hair brigade and LGBTQRIST person. Most don't have jobs, or retired hippies. How do these derelicts hold so much sway in politics? |
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Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: Look at these communist groups like "people not politicians" They're headed by a communist. Also look at their events and that. Every photo I've seen it's a bunch of old hags, old hippies, beta males, purple hair brigade and LGBTQRIST person. Most don't have jobs, or retired hippies. How do these derelicts hold so much sway in politics? Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: Missouri is suffering from the same issue every state suffers from; the political gulf between the rural areas and major urban centers is huge. I blame Reynolds v. Sims for how dysfunctional and unbalanced most State legislature are. Ideally the State Legislature would be structured like the US Congress but instead we have essentially two House of Representatives, one is just smaller than the other. A true Senate that could force compromise between rural and urban would be nice. Look at these communist groups like "people not politicians" They're headed by a communist. Also look at their events and that. Every photo I've seen it's a bunch of old hags, old hippies, beta males, purple hair brigade and LGBTQRIST person. Most don't have jobs, or retired hippies. How do these derelicts hold so much sway in politics? They show up, vote and organize their groups to be loud. Plenty of them hold jobs, donate heavily and still show up. Let me say it again. They show up. |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: As I stated above. I no longer live in Missouri. What I think doesn't matter. I am curious what y'all think, however. But more to the point, I don't want to address your post because I'm not willing to publicly express moral judgements about individuals and their motivations. That is a cop-out answer. 1] you implied a moral judgement on the AG's motivation[s]. 2] My observations were not about any individual but about society as a whole. |
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Originally Posted By Deuskid: 1] you implied a moral judgement on the AG's motivation[s]. I did no such thing. Delorean described Hoskins’ delay as strategic. I asked if it was appropriate for the Secretary of State to be “strategic” in support of a particular party. That’s all I said. FWIW, I don't believe any secretary of state should play favorites to one party or the other, nor should he/she bring their own opinions to bear when deciding the qualifications of ballot issues. I expect the secretary of state to play it straight down the middle. |
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: They show up, vote and organize their groups to be loud. Plenty of them hold jobs, donate heavily and still show up. Let me say it again. They show up. A lot of them with the nose septums and purple hair I don't see what Fortune 500 hires them. Probably works at Starbucks. As I said they look like the derelicts of society, most democraps do. Like the pro abortion crowd most of the women are either old hippies, or they're very obese and covered with tats like they won't need to worry about having an abortion because no man wouldn't want to smash that. I've noticed a lot of boomers in their 70s across the country are at these protest. Left over liberals from the 60s. Same with Mom's Demand Action a lot of them are women in their late 70s, and the only men I see are mostly retired age and are beta. You know what I mean how a guy looks beta by their facial expressions, how they dress, and their posture. What do you think of Valentina Gomez? How do you think she would have handled this if she were secretary of state? |
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Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: A lot of them with the nose septums and purple hair I don't see what Fortune 500 hires them. Probably works at Starbucks. As I said they look like the derelicts of society, most democraps do. Like the pro abortion crowd most of the women are either old hippies, or they're very obese and covered with tats like they won't need to worry about having an abortion because no man wouldn't want to smash that. I've noticed a lot of boomers in their 70s across the country are at these protest. Left over liberals from the 60s. Same with Mom's Demand Action a lot of them are women in their late 70s, and the only men I see are mostly retired age and are beta. You know what I mean how a guy looks beta by their facial expressions, how they dress, and their posture. What do you think of Valentina Gomez? How do you think she would have handled this if she were secretary of state? Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: They show up, vote and organize their groups to be loud. Plenty of them hold jobs, donate heavily and still show up. Let me say it again. They show up. A lot of them with the nose septums and purple hair I don't see what Fortune 500 hires them. Probably works at Starbucks. As I said they look like the derelicts of society, most democraps do. Like the pro abortion crowd most of the women are either old hippies, or they're very obese and covered with tats like they won't need to worry about having an abortion because no man wouldn't want to smash that. I've noticed a lot of boomers in their 70s across the country are at these protest. Left over liberals from the 60s. Same with Mom's Demand Action a lot of them are women in their late 70s, and the only men I see are mostly retired age and are beta. You know what I mean how a guy looks beta by their facial expressions, how they dress, and their posture. What do you think of Valentina Gomez? How do you think she would have handled this if she were secretary of state? You are not paying attention to what society cares about. Walk into just about any major corporate building, and you'll find dyed hair and nose piercings among those making well north of $100k/yr. ESG rating were tied to loans for the longest time, it's why you saw such a push for DEI at the corporate level. Gomez? She is a fraud of the highest order. My guess is she'd have bungled this in the worst way possible. The only thing that will clear this up is SCOTUS intervention, otherwise we will likely see some seats flipped Democratic because of the diaster this entire thing has become. |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: I did no such thing. Delorean described Hoskins’ delay as strategic. I asked if it was appropriate for the Secretary of State to be “strategic” in support of a particular party. That’s all I said. FWIW, I don't believe any secretary of state should play favorites to one party or the other, nor should he/she bring their own opinions to bear when deciding the qualifications of ballot issues. I expect the secretary of state to play it straight down the middle. Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Originally Posted By Deuskid: 1] you implied a moral judgement on the AG's motivation[s]. I did no such thing. Delorean described Hoskins’ delay as strategic. I asked if it was appropriate for the Secretary of State to be “strategic” in support of a particular party. That’s all I said. FWIW, I don't believe any secretary of state should play favorites to one party or the other, nor should he/she bring their own opinions to bear when deciding the qualifications of ballot issues. I expect the secretary of state to play it straight down the middle. I believe that the Sec. If State is one of the most powerful positions in state governments when it comes to control, and any Sec. Of State who can't wield that power to promote the goals of the party and the people they represent should resign. |
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: You are not paying attention to what society cares about. Walk into just about any major corporate building, and you'll find dyed hair and nose piercings among those making well north of $100k/yr. ESG rating were tied to loans for the longest time, it's why you saw such a push for DEI at the corporate level. Gomez? She is a fraud of the highest order. My guess is she'd have bungled this in the worst way possible. The only thing that will clear this up is SCOTUS intervention, otherwise we will likely see some seats flipped Democratic because of the diaster this entire thing has become. The other issue is the 2020 redistricting of MO house seats are not as favorable for larger super majorities as before. 2018 was 117 seats I think. 2012 was 28 senate seats I think. Super majorites come down to a few seats in suburban Stl and KC metro. Springfield is more purple because of Commiefornia. A lot of them have been moving to Springfield as well as Northwest Arkansas. Sorta has this hippie vibe. |
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: The only thing that will clear this up is SCOTUS intervention, otherwise we will likely see some seats flipped Democratic because of the diaster this entire thing has become. The 2025 map is designed to unseat Emmanuel Clever. If the 2022 map is used Cleaver is reelected. That is the only seat affected by this mess. |
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: I believe that the Sec. If State is one of the most powerful positions in state governments when it comes to control, and any Sec. Of State who can't wield that power to promote the goals of the party and the people they represent should resign. That’s certainly a novel take on the job. |
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Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: The other issue is the 2020 redistricting of MO house seats are not as favorable for larger super majorities as before. 2018 was 117 seats I think. 2012 was 28 senate seats I think. Super majorites come down to a few seats in suburban Stl and KC metro. Springfield is more purple because of Commiefornia. A lot of them have been moving to Springfield as well as Northwest Arkansas. Sorta has this hippie vibe. Y’all know we’re discussing congressional district maps, right? |
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: You are not paying attention to what society cares about. Walk into just about any major corporate building, and you'll find dyed hair and nose piercings among those making well north of $100k/yr. ESG rating were tied to loans for the longest time, it's why you saw such a push for DEI at the corporate level. Gomez? She is a fraud of the highest order. My guess is she'd have bungled this in the worst way possible. The only thing that will clear this up is SCOTUS intervention, otherwise we will likely see some seats flipped Democratic because of the diaster this entire thing has become. Also funny,on my FB feed a post from Abortion Action showed up just now. About 15 or so protestors speaking somewhere against Amendment 3 and they're the stereotype. Have the depressed grumpy look, old hag hippies, feminist freak type and goofy looking beta male. I mean if Urban Dictionary had an entry for them this would be it. Looked like paid actors possibly but it's just funny how miserable these anti abortion people always look. And 95 percent of them wouldn't even need to be concerned about an abortion because they're so hideous looking no guy would want to smash. I'm interested in what percentage who support abortion are Atheist, hindu Jewish, and non Christian. I'm Catholic, and the freaks who are at these abortion protest look like nothing in my Youth group or that goes to churches I've went to all my life. |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Y’all know we’re discussing congressional district maps, right? Congress is lost either way. If if the courts rule against Missouri, it's not going to matter a ton because the gap is too big. I'm also thinking Senate is lost too. Blue wave. Hell, there has been polling showing Tom Cotton is in trouble in Arkansas. Sarah Sanders also could be in a close race for governor it's looking like too. Democrats are gaining some traction there in some races as well. Texas I think is going to be close too. Overall it's going to be a slaughtering. At least with MO there is two years before the next state office election so it will blow over by then or they will be sick of democraps. I can see the house going to 106 seats after this election and the Senate going to 23 seats with Patterson losing. |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: That’s certainly a novel take on the job. Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: I believe that the Sec. If State is one of the most powerful positions in state governments when it comes to control, and any Sec. Of State who can't wield that power to promote the goals of the party and the people they represent should resign. That’s certainly a novel take on the job. Which part? That the Secretary of State is a powerful position? Or that an elected official should do everything possible (legal)to promote the values of the party and people they represent? |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: The 2025 map is designed to unseat Emmanuel Clever. If the 2022 map is used Cleaver is reelected. That is the only seat affected by this mess. District 2 as well. This Fred Wellman yahoo is showing up everywhere while Ann is nowhere to be seen. |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: The 2025 map is designed to unseat Emmanuel Clever. If the 2022 map is used Cleaver is reelected. That is the only seat affected by this mess. Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: The only thing that will clear this up is SCOTUS intervention, otherwise we will likely see some seats flipped Democratic because of the diaster this entire thing has become. The 2025 map is designed to unseat Emmanuel Clever. If the 2022 map is used Cleaver is reelected. That is the only seat affected by this mess. It's thrown a loop to more than that one seat because multiple districts were rearranged to make Clever's district untenable for him. Now they go back. Money has been spent for individuals to campaign in areas that cannot vote for them. |
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: It's thrown a loop to more than that one seat because multiple districts were rearranged to make Clever's district untenable for him. Now they go back. Money has been spent for individuals to campaign in areas that cannot vote for them. I think the US Supreme court keeps the 2026 districts. They will try and get it on the ballots for 2028 assuming the US Supreme Court doesn't address that part and it's a MO matter with that. If you revert to 2022, a bunch of people will be voting in separate districts. There are a lot of stupid people across the country voting Democrap this election. |
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I just saw Brett Kavanaugh denied the stay. So what are the options now.? Btw Bratton sued in the Eastern District of MO. Could it be possible judge Limbaugh gets the case? He's usually very conservative when it comes to his rulings. How the hell is this pinhead so powerful who is heading these liberal causes in Missouri? He's a open communist basically. Also I find it odd, but why do so many Republican voters don't like the redistricting when it would give them an extra seat? |
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The eastern District of MO stepped in and blocked the old map! What is it with libtards outnumbering Republicans on Facebook at about 9 to 1 in the comments section? You'd think the state is 90 percent democrat based on the comments. Is it because liberals tend to be social media queens more than conservatives or some organized social media effort they're doing? |
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: Which part? That the Secretary of State is a powerful position? Or that an elected official should do everything possible (legal)to promote the values of the party and people they represent? The part that suggests the role of the SOS is as a political operative. James Kirkpatrick would roll over in his grave if he saw how the office is being run now. |
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Originally Posted By Bye_Felicia: It's thrown a loop to more than that one seat because multiple districts were rearranged to make Clever's district untenable for him. Now they go back. Money has been spent for individuals to campaign in areas that cannot vote for them. It’s still going to be 7-2 with the old map. |
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Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: You mean 6-2? What about 5-3? This Fred Wellman is really gaining traction. Yes. 6-2. But now, the ping has ponged . . . Federal courts conflict on GOP effort to revive gerrymandered Missouri congressional map |
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Originally Posted By Bladeswitcher: Yes. 6-2. But now, the ping has ponged . . . Federal courts conflict on GOP effort to revive gerrymandered Missouri congressional map If the appeals court doesn't side with the GOP, how do you see the full Supreme Court ruling on it? What would be the vote? Remember this suit is in regards to representation and voting in a different district that you're now assigned to |
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Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: If the appeals court doesn't side with the GOP, how do you see the full Supreme Court ruling on it? What would be the vote? Remember this suit is in regards to representation and voting in a different district that you're now assigned to I wouldn't begin to predict how this crazy thing will play out. |
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Originally Posted By Gunsgalore83: So you want it to pass and require 80 percent of lawmakers in order to overturn a ballot initiative??? I'm just messing with you . . .  But since you asked. I think 80 percent is too high of a threshold. That said, I also think it's bullshit when the legislature undoes the will of the people. |
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You would think MO is 90 percent democrap based on the Facebook and Twitter comments on the news articles and posts. Also, The two organizers of these amendments have ties to the MO communist party. Do voters even know this? What really gets me is why don't the conservatives put ads against these amendments and fight them. The liberals are doing all kinds of ads. Why are the conservatives not putting up any resistance to these? They could be doing ads against amendment 6 and the organizers ties to the communist party. Where are the conservatives. Hey, these libtards protesting you could have gotten a couple hundred counter protesters to open carry. |