Posted: 12/22/2014 10:04:08 AM EDT
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Sheriff Clarke asked for 48 hours notice for the decision.
The Sheriff's dept. received that notice on Friday. National guard has been activated. |
| Based on the Friday arrests, I'm guessing that the protests will not get too out of control. The protesters know that the police will arrest dozens of them without blinking an eye if things go sideways. If things do get stupid, it is good weather for water cannons. |
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help?
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad just so sad. 
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad just so sad. Homelessness is 100% a mental illness problem no matter what any liberal fucking idiots want to say. Crazy people sleep on sidewalks instead of with their family somewhere (and they all have family somewhere - sometimes tolerant and sometimes not). At the very least they have a shelter or somewhere else to go. These are CHOICES that people made. Crazy people. I've got an ignorant friend in DC that was in visiting over the weekend; he refuses to believe that homeless people are by their actions proven to be crazy, and that crazy people do crazy things like attacking other people (including cops). THAT is the problem here; people that refuse to understand reality because it doesn't fit their preconceptions. It's called "cognitive dissonance." It is why socialism exists as a philosophy and why modern liberalism (which isn't liberal) flourishes in a narcissistic and entitled society. |
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad just so sad. I agree completely. This is where the problem started. The "family" didn't take inventory or care enough to make sure he was fed, warm, and upright. |
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I agree completely. This is where the problem started. The "family" didn't take inventory or care enough to make sure he was fed, warm, and upright. Quoted:
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad just so sad. I agree completely. This is where the problem started. The "family" didn't take inventory or care enough to make sure he was fed, warm, and upright. Not until they saw visions of civil lawsuits in their heads. |
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad just so sad. I agree completely. This is where the problem started. The "family" didn't take inventory or care enough to make sure he was fed, warm, and upright. Not until they saw visions of civil lawsuits in their heads. From what I saw, the brother was pretty level headed and presented himself very well making public statements that basically said "no rioting, not looting, we're better than that". That tone seemed to change in the past few days. 
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad, just so sad. Do you know if they tried? FWIW.......I've been working with mentally ill criminals for the last 5 out of my 22 years in LE. Once the individual becomes an adult there is practically nothing a family can do. Have you ever tried to make a 200 pound male adult with mental health issues take his meds when they don't want to? If my memory serves me correct I have had contact with the now deceased Hamilton and I never had any issues with him but once in the special needs section and stabilized on meds they are a different person. Out on the streets being homeless with no access to medication and they are a different individual. Did his parents try to help him as an adult I don't know nor does it matter at this point. I have heard many people who say exactly what Slvrktman have posted but that statement just shows lack of knowledge or experience with the mentally ill. |
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Hope the family members aren't going to seek a giant settlement.......but I bet they do.
Maybe they couldn't handle him......bet they won't have any trouble handling the settlement money. Just another one of many ways that the freeloaders get to feed off the working class. How many cards does the race card deck have? A father, where is he hiding? |
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... people that refuse to understand reality because it doesn't fit their preconceptions. People project their own values onto others and it causes them to grant the benefit of the doubt .... even when there is no doubt. It's childish. Too much living in a bubble and not enough getting smacked with reality. I was loving watching the reporters and leftists getting their shiny i-phones stolen in St. Louis. |
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Do you know if they tried? FWIW.......I've been working with mentally ill criminals for the last 5 out of my 22 years in LE. Once the individual becomes an adult there is practically nothing a family can do. Have you ever tried to make a 200 pound male adult with mental health issues take his meds when they don't want to? If my memory serves me correct I have had contact with the now deceased Hamilton and I never had any issues with him but once in the special needs section and stabilized on meds they are a different person. Out on the streets being homeless with no access to medication and they are a different individual. Did his parents try to help him as an adult I don't know nor does it matter at this point. I have heard many people who say exactly what Slvrktman have posted but that statement just shows lack of knowledge or experience with the mentally ill. Quoted:
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad, just so sad. Do you know if they tried? FWIW.......I've been working with mentally ill criminals for the last 5 out of my 22 years in LE. Once the individual becomes an adult there is practically nothing a family can do. Have you ever tried to make a 200 pound male adult with mental health issues take his meds when they don't want to? If my memory serves me correct I have had contact with the now deceased Hamilton and I never had any issues with him but once in the special needs section and stabilized on meds they are a different person. Out on the streets being homeless with no access to medication and they are a different individual. Did his parents try to help him as an adult I don't know nor does it matter at this point. I have heard many people who say exactly what Slvrktman have posted but that statement just shows lack of knowledge or experience with the mentally ill. I can believe this. I have a second hand acquaintance that works with mentally ill folks. Lots of Jekyll and Hyde stories. Someone they know can usually calm them down if they're patient. If you didn't know them, and they were agitated, I also have no trouble believing that they would give you plenty of just cause to feel threatened. He may have been unfortunate and handicapped. Doesn't make the cop guilty of anything, and I'm quite tired of opportunists fanning flames with false-witness and spurring on violent crime. |
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Do you know if they tried? FWIW.......I've been working with mentally ill criminals for the last 5 out of my 22 years in LE. Once the individual becomes an adult there is practically nothing a family can do. Have you ever tried to make a 200 pound male adult with mental health issues take his meds when they don't want to? If my memory serves me correct I have had contact with the now deceased Hamilton and I never had any issues with him but once in the special needs section and stabilized on meds they are a different person. Out on the streets being homeless with no access to medication and they are a different individual. Did his parents try to help him as an adult I don't know nor does it matter at this point. I have heard many people who say exactly what Slvrktman have posted but that statement just shows lack of knowledge or experience with the mentally ill. Quoted:
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad, just so sad. Do you know if they tried? FWIW.......I've been working with mentally ill criminals for the last 5 out of my 22 years in LE. Once the individual becomes an adult there is practically nothing a family can do. Have you ever tried to make a 200 pound male adult with mental health issues take his meds when they don't want to? If my memory serves me correct I have had contact with the now deceased Hamilton and I never had any issues with him but once in the special needs section and stabilized on meds they are a different person. Out on the streets being homeless with no access to medication and they are a different individual. Did his parents try to help him as an adult I don't know nor does it matter at this point. I have heard many people who say exactly what Slvrktman have posted but that statement just shows lack of knowledge or experience with the mentally ill. That's some good insight. Thank you for posting. |
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad, just so sad. Do you know if they tried? FWIW.......I've been working with mentally ill criminals for the last 5 out of my 22 years in LE. Once the individual becomes an adult there is practically nothing a family can do. Have you ever tried to make a 200 pound male adult with mental health issues take his meds when they don't want to? If my memory serves me correct I have had contact with the now deceased Hamilton and I never had any issues with him but once in the special needs section and stabilized on meds they are a different person. Out on the streets being homeless with no access to medication and they are a different individual. Did his parents try to help him as an adult I don't know nor does it matter at this point. I have heard many people who say exactly what Slvrktman have posted but that statement just shows lack of knowledge or experience with the mentally ill. That's some good insight. Thank you for posting. Yes, it was a very good post. I have personal experience with a close family member that was diagnosed with schizophrenia years ago. If he isn't on the right meds, he is a completely different person, and definitely falls into what I would call the "crazy" category. On the correct dosage of the correct meds he is a stable individual with a few quirks. The problem is, either his doctors are always wanting to try something new and screwing with the meds, or he is on them so long that he decides he must not need them anymore, and stops taking them, and then backslides by quitting his job, not taking care of himself, stops paying bills, etc... Then it takes a big family effort to get him back on the meds and everything stable again. However, when he isn't in his right mind, there is almost no reasoning with him, and he is over 6' tall, 200+ lbs, so good luck forcing him into anything with a major physical altercation with injuries pretty much guaranteed all around. The biggest problem from my experience is that the "system" that should be in place to help these people is only interested in keeping them a part of the system. Maybe there are some good programs, but I have yet to experience one. We had to have him committed when he was younger because he was a danger to himself, and the next step after his meds were stable was for him to be in a halfway house. That place was designed to keep those people there, plain and simple. They had no interest in helping the people staying there to be productive citizens. Some of them were pretty messed up, and probably needed to stay in a place like that, but many were not, including my family member. The director of that place would continually push everyone's buttons in the most petty ways trying to get them to push back, so he could extend their potential release date. He also refused to let people work when they wanted to try and get a job, and instead they all laid around the house all day going stir crazy. It was just a shitty place setup to make people fail, and keep the dollars rolling in from the state and/or feds for each person they housed. Now if he ever did something to put someone else's life in danger, I would not hold it against the cops or anyone else if they had to take reasonable steps to stop the situation. If that ended up with him losing his life, as long as the force was reasonable when compared to the risk he was posing, it would break my heart, but you wouldn't find me running to the lawyer's office looking to sue, and I sure as hell wouldn't be on TV spouting the usual "my baby didn't do nuthin!" crap. In this case, maybe the family should have done more, or maybe they did all they could. Unless you know for sure, and unless you've personally experienced dealing day to day with someone with mental illness, especially a close loved one, please be careful with the generalizations you make. It can be stressful dealing with a short term mental breakdown that someone might have, now try dragging that out over the course of 15-60+ years. It ain't as black and white as many people want to make these situations out to be. |
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Yes, it was a very good post. I have personal experience with a close family member that was diagnosed with schizophrenia years ago. If he isn't on the right meds, he is a completely different person, and definitely falls into what I would call the "crazy" category. On the correct dosage of the correct meds he is a stable individual with a few quirks. The problem is, either his doctors are always wanting to try something new and screwing with the meds, or he is on them so long that he decides he must not need them anymore, and stops taking them, and then backslides by quitting his job, not taking care of himself, stops paying bills, etc... Then it takes a big family effort to get him back on the meds and everything stable again. However, when he isn't in his right mind, there is almost no reasoning with him, and he is over 6' tall, 200+ lbs, so good luck forcing him into anything with a major physical altercation with injuries pretty much guaranteed all around. The biggest problem from my experience is that the "system" that should be in place to help these people is only interested in keeping them a part of the system. Maybe there are some good programs, but I have yet to experience one. We had to have him committed when he was younger because he was a danger to himself, and the next step after his meds were stable was for him to be in a halfway house. That place was designed to keep those people there, plain and simple. They had no interest in helping the people staying there to be productive citizens. Some of them were pretty messed up, and probably needed to stay in a place like that, but many were not, including my family member. The director of that place would continually push everyone's buttons in the most petty ways trying to get them to push back, so he could extend their potential release date. He also refused to let people work when they wanted to try and get a job, and instead they all laid around the house all day going stir crazy. It was just a shitty place setup to make people fail, and keep the dollars rolling in from the state and/or feds for each person they housed. Now if he ever did something to put someone else's life in danger, I would not hold it against the cops or anyone else if they had to take reasonable steps to stop the situation. If that ended up with him losing his life, as long as the force was reasonable when compared to the risk he was posing, it would break my heart, but you wouldn't find me running to the lawyer's office looking to sue, and I sure as hell wouldn't be on TV spouting the usual "my baby didn't do nuthin!" crap. In this case, maybe the family should have done more, or maybe they did all they could. Unless you know for sure, and unless you've personally experienced dealing day to day with someone with mental illness, especially a close loved one, please be careful with the generalizations you make. It can be stressful dealing with a short term mental breakdown that someone might have, now try dragging that out over the course of 15-60+ years. It ain't as black and white as many people want to make these situations out to be. Quoted:
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad, just so sad. Do you know if they tried? FWIW.......I've been working with mentally ill criminals for the last 5 out of my 22 years in LE. Once the individual becomes an adult there is practically nothing a family can do. Have you ever tried to make a 200 pound male adult with mental health issues take his meds when they don't want to? If my memory serves me correct I have had contact with the now deceased Hamilton and I never had any issues with him but once in the special needs section and stabilized on meds they are a different person. Out on the streets being homeless with no access to medication and they are a different individual. Did his parents try to help him as an adult I don't know nor does it matter at this point. I have heard many people who say exactly what Slvrktman have posted but that statement just shows lack of knowledge or experience with the mentally ill. That's some good insight. Thank you for posting. Yes, it was a very good post. I have personal experience with a close family member that was diagnosed with schizophrenia years ago. If he isn't on the right meds, he is a completely different person, and definitely falls into what I would call the "crazy" category. On the correct dosage of the correct meds he is a stable individual with a few quirks. The problem is, either his doctors are always wanting to try something new and screwing with the meds, or he is on them so long that he decides he must not need them anymore, and stops taking them, and then backslides by quitting his job, not taking care of himself, stops paying bills, etc... Then it takes a big family effort to get him back on the meds and everything stable again. However, when he isn't in his right mind, there is almost no reasoning with him, and he is over 6' tall, 200+ lbs, so good luck forcing him into anything with a major physical altercation with injuries pretty much guaranteed all around. The biggest problem from my experience is that the "system" that should be in place to help these people is only interested in keeping them a part of the system. Maybe there are some good programs, but I have yet to experience one. We had to have him committed when he was younger because he was a danger to himself, and the next step after his meds were stable was for him to be in a halfway house. That place was designed to keep those people there, plain and simple. They had no interest in helping the people staying there to be productive citizens. Some of them were pretty messed up, and probably needed to stay in a place like that, but many were not, including my family member. The director of that place would continually push everyone's buttons in the most petty ways trying to get them to push back, so he could extend their potential release date. He also refused to let people work when they wanted to try and get a job, and instead they all laid around the house all day going stir crazy. It was just a shitty place setup to make people fail, and keep the dollars rolling in from the state and/or feds for each person they housed. Now if he ever did something to put someone else's life in danger, I would not hold it against the cops or anyone else if they had to take reasonable steps to stop the situation. If that ended up with him losing his life, as long as the force was reasonable when compared to the risk he was posing, it would break my heart, but you wouldn't find me running to the lawyer's office looking to sue, and I sure as hell wouldn't be on TV spouting the usual "my baby didn't do nuthin!" crap. In this case, maybe the family should have done more, or maybe they did all they could. Unless you know for sure, and unless you've personally experienced dealing day to day with someone with mental illness, especially a close loved one, please be careful with the generalizations you make. It can be stressful dealing with a short term mental breakdown that someone might have, now try dragging that out over the course of 15-60+ years. It ain't as black and white as many people want to make these situations out to be. Trouble is, that's exactly what these idiots are trying to make this out as. Black and white. |
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Do you know if they tried? FWIW.......I've been working with mentally ill criminals for the last 5 out of my 22 years in LE. Once the individual becomes an adult there is practically nothing a family can do. Have you ever tried to make a 200 pound male adult with mental health issues take his meds when they don't want to? If my memory serves me correct I have had contact with the now deceased Hamilton and I never had any issues with him but once in the special needs section and stabilized on meds they are a different person. Out on the streets being homeless with no access to medication and they are a different individual. Did his parents try to help him as an adult I don't know nor does it matter at this point. I have heard many people who say exactly what Slvrktman have posted but that statement just shows lack of knowledge or experience with the mentally ill. Quoted:
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If the family would have shown this much concern for their family member with mental problems, before that fatal event, all of this crap could have been avoided. When you have a family member sleeping on the sidewalk in downtown Milwaukee....that just seems like a pathetic situation to me. Where were they when he needed their help? Sad, just so sad. Do you know if they tried? FWIW.......I've been working with mentally ill criminals for the last 5 out of my 22 years in LE. Once the individual becomes an adult there is practically nothing a family can do. Have you ever tried to make a 200 pound male adult with mental health issues take his meds when they don't want to? If my memory serves me correct I have had contact with the now deceased Hamilton and I never had any issues with him but once in the special needs section and stabilized on meds they are a different person. Out on the streets being homeless with no access to medication and they are a different individual. Did his parents try to help him as an adult I don't know nor does it matter at this point. I have heard many people who say exactly what Slvrktman have posted but that statement just shows lack of knowledge or experience with the mentally ill. With regards to the original post quoted: While I agree a generalization of a systemic predication can be extrapolated from ones inherent decision to live, in regards to shelter, outside the norm of accepted societal ideologies, it isn't without pause to an individuals state of mind toward a given understanding of a greater comprehension of circumstances. With regards tp the respondent statement: First off anyone that works truely for the wellbeing of mind of individuals, if done out of Love, show a very large capacity for consideration for their fellow man. Secondly, the experiences drawn from such a long involvement in various aspects of LE do amount to a given worth. On the subject of "Homeless", in particular, In my experience I know of one individual that was of complete stable mindset chose to live outside that social norm, yet I believe fully in his capacity for rational thought. He detailed many harassments, by normal people & LEO's, simply because he chose not to conform to the said norm. It must be noted, however, that it was stated that it is in those social steriotypes he found his purpose, beforehand, to throw off the shackles of a predominately hypocritical existence.The actions against him only served to solidify his resolve in his dedision to otherwise remove himself from society as a whole. I actually came to have the utmost respect for this individual, through getting to know him by listening to what he had to say & trying to undertsand where he was coming from. In doing so it actually revealed a great deal about my own preconceptions & rationalizations of society as a whole. As it stands now, the concept of "Homeless" is entirely a relative term to me. |
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As it stands now, the concept of "Homeless" is entirely a relative term to me. Understandable in a society where we have obese 'poverty stricken people' who get better nutrition, water, and medical care than any earthly king in history. Poverty .... not what you think it is. |