Posted: 2/11/2010 12:15:11 PM EDT
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Anyone use one of these new MagPul angled fore grips? Anyone swap to one of these after using a regular fore grip? I'd like to know what some thoughts on them are before I drop about $35 on one. |
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Messed around with one at SHOT at the Magpul booth. Talking to the guys there, they said that there was a noticable difference in their drill times using it. It felt awkward to me, but I'm tired of learning new ways to hold my rifle. This would be new way number 5 or so now... I still may try it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PslbWonjhiU&feature=sub And if you're on lightfighter, there's a discussion and links to more discussion here: http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9036044533/m/684105755?r=558106755#558106755 |
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Totally sweet. No actually they do work well with the idea of being more like a competition (3-gun) grip style. I guessing 100% designed by Chris and Travis from Magpul Dynamics. Might as well buy the MS2 sling while your at it.
Got it for the 6.8 first then the 5.56 as soon as FDE was available. (Sorry cruddy cell pic.) 
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Messed around with one at SHOT at the Magpul booth. Talking to the guys there, they said that there was a noticable difference in their drill times using it. It felt awkward to me, but I'm tired of learning new ways to hold my rifle. This would be new way number 5 or so now... I still may try it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PslbWonjhiU&feature=sub And if you're on lightfighter, there's a discussion and links to more discussion here: http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9036044533/m/684105755?r=558106755#558106755 Weeeeeeell, you're just a big shot, aren't ya?!?!?!   
Me, I got no use for them.................I don't use VFGs either, though. |
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Reply back here when you do Drew, I'm kind of curious about them myself. It seems Way too far forward, but then, Travis & Chris hold their guns way the hell out on the end like that.
I've always been of the support your rifle with your frame, tucked elbows kinda guy. I tend to grab on to a VFG, or the magwell with my off hand. |
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Quoted: Ehh I was trained on VFG's. So that's what I am conditioned to. We'll see how it goes. See, this is why I'm less interested in the "new-new way" first I learned to hold the handguard Then I was supposed to use the magwell next was a vfg in one position then the vfg in a different position now this.. Next "they" will want a vfg installed horizontally like a STEN I give up |
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Quoted: I've always been of the support your rifle with your frame, tucked elbows kinda guy. I tend to grab on to a VFG, or the magwell with my off hand. I am the same way. I was trained to have my elbows in... no "wings" when performing MOUT and so on. I found throughout my time in the Army that I tended to grab the magwell when I was not allowed to move the VFG further to the rear due to the unit SOP at the time. When I was allowed to set the VFG further back I grabbed that instead of the magwell. To each their own. I know that whether or not you use a VFG at all is completely dependent upon your training. Those who have never trained with one dislike them. A lot. Those who have trained with them (lets say from basic training and on) tend to prefer them due to muscle memory and conditioning. I will let you know what I think of the grip once I get it on and set up. From the looks of it I can set it up far enough back on the rail for it to sit where it should be for my preferance. |
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Quoted: Adapt and overcomeQuoted: Ehh I was trained on VFG's. So that's what I am conditioned to. We'll see how it goes. See, this is why I'm less interested in the "new-new way" first I learned to hold the handguard Then I was supposed to use the magwell next was a vfg in one position then the vfg in a different position now this.. Next "they" will want a vfg installed horizontally like a STEN I give |
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Quoted: Quoted: Adapt and overcomeQuoted: Ehh I was trained on VFG's. So that's what I am conditioned to. We'll see how it goes. See, this is why I'm less interested in the "new-new way" first I learned to hold the handguard Then I was supposed to use the magwell next was a vfg in one position then the vfg in a different position now this.. Next "they" will want a vfg installed horizontally like a STEN I give Fuck that, nukes have been proven to work since 1945 or so. Simple point and click technology. No VFG, AFG,HFG crapola required. Off to the EE to find one. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Adapt and overcomeQuoted: Ehh I was trained on VFG's. So that's what I am conditioned to. We'll see how it goes. See, this is why I'm less interested in the "new-new way" first I learned to hold the handguard Then I was supposed to use the magwell next was a vfg in one position then the vfg in a different position now this.. Next "they" will want a vfg installed horizontally like a STEN I give Fuck that, nukes have been proven to work since 1945 or so. Simple point and click technology. No VFG, AFG,HFG crapola required. Off to the EE to find one. Do you want Iran's number? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Adapt and overcomeQuoted: Ehh I was trained on VFG's. So that's what I am conditioned to. We'll see how it goes. See, this is why I'm less interested in the "new-new way" first I learned to hold the handguard Then I was supposed to use the magwell next was a vfg in one position then the vfg in a different position now this.. Next "they" will want a vfg installed horizontally like a STEN I give Fuck that, nukes have been proven to work since 1945 or so. Simple point and click technology. No VFG, AFG,HFG crapola required. Off to the EE to find one. Do you want Iran's number? If their nukes work anything like Iraq's SCUD bottle rocket technology, no thanks. Frankly, from what I've seen of their stuff so far, I'm not sure I believe they work all that well.  |
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Quoted: Operators Quoted: Quoted: Next "they" will want a vfg installed horizontally like a STEN I've thought about doing that just for the WTF factor. What about one like this, on either side? http://www.tickbitesupply.com/mg20ba.jpg http://www.tickbitesupply.com/mg20b.jpg  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Next "they" will want a vfg installed horizontally like a STEN I've thought about doing that just for the WTF factor. What about one like this, on either side? http://www.tickbitesupply.com/mg20ba.jpg http://www.tickbitesupply.com/mg20b.jpg It's been done.... kinda.   |
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Anyone use one of these new MagPul angled fore grips? Anyone swap to one of these after using a regular fore grip? I'd like to know what some thoughts on them are before I drop about $35 on one. Personal opinon.....meh. It's a piece of gear designed to fit with their way of shooting. It will shoe-horn you into doing it their way even if you don't want to or do not find it "better" then what you already do. Frankly, the concept of holding the VFG at an angle similar to these new angled grips has been around for at least 4 to 5 years, and most competition based or combat based training styles already do this, just without having to buy yet another piece of gear. I wouldn't call it gimick, but I would say that it's something that is great for all the folks who follow Magpul Dynamincs like a bunch of puppies, whereas anybody else can get by with the gear they have and accomplish the same thing. Quoted:
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Ehh I was trained on VFG's. So that's what I am conditioned to. We'll see how it goes. See, this is why I'm less interested in the "new-new way" first I learned to hold the handguard Then I was supposed to use the magwell next was a vfg in one position then the vfg in a different position now this.. Next "they" will want a vfg installed horizontally like a STEN I give up I'd almost guarnatee you that the folks who said they got better times with the new VFG were folks who had previously been using their old VFG's in the "stick" style, rather then in a style closer to how this new VFG forces the hand. I'm sure that if they used their regular VFG in a similar manner prior to trying the new angeld grip, they wouldn't have noticed a shift or difference in shot times. Remember, as obi-wan says....."It all depends on your point of view." Quoted:
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Next "they" will want a vfg installed horizontally like a STEN I've thought about doing that just for the WTF factor.
What about one like this, on either side? http://www.tickbitesupply.com/mg20ba.jpg http://www.tickbitesupply.com/mg20b.jpg Like the guns aren't heavy enough.......yup..lets throw on another couple of pounds to the FRONT of the rifle and really screw the balance up!!!! I know you're kidding around about this, but damn it amazes me that someone actually thought this would be a good idea to the point that they actually produced it. |
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The further out your support hand goes, the more you restrict torso movement slewing left to right. It might be good for shooting at targets at 15-20 yards, not so much if your clearing rooms and have to swing the gun in a hurry, especially to your strong side.
I had a guy tell me mag well holds are "Bad because if the gun KB's, you could injure your hand". I let him know if my gun kb's I'm either going to get smoked or put on light duty, so it's not that big of concern. (Also had a Navy cat tell me smoking is bad for my health, while I was geared up catching my last smoke before hopping an LCAC to Kuwait to invade Iraq) It's all perspective I suppose. I say go with what you are comfortable with. 95.6% of shooters are never going to employ their latest and greatest training anyways. |
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The further out your support hand goes, the more you restrict torso movement slewing left to right. It might be good for shooting at targets at 15-20 yards, not so much if your clearing rooms and have to swing the gun in a hurry, especially to your strong side. I had a guy tell me mag well holds are "Bad because if the gun KB's, you could injure your hand". I let him know if my gun kb's I'm either going to get smoked or put on light duty, so it's not that big of concern. (Also had a Navy cat tell me smoking is bad for my health, while I was geared up catching my last smoke before hopping an LCAC to Kuwait to invade Iraq) It's all perspective I suppose. I say go with what you are comfortable with. 95.6% of shooters are never going to employ their latest and greatest training anyways. Don't lose hope.............the zombies can STILL come................................... |
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Don't lose hope.............the zombies can STILL come................................... I'm actually hoping for a rapid change to Fallout 3/ Boy and his dog (And now book of Eli), style post apocalypse. Where only the strong, well trained groups survive. (Unless you are a loner with a interesting back story) Seems easier to make it, and more likely to happen. |
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Fudd.
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Got my AFG today. Mounted it and have been feeling it out for the last little while. So far I think like it. It allows me to pull the rifle in a lot better than with a full 90 degree VFG. It isn't uncomfortable and I don't feel like my hand and wrist are being torqued in a weird way. Quoted: It mounts on the rail. On a standard carbine length rail it will lock on all the way forward on the rail and will take up the majority of the rail. But with the angle when you grab it, it will feel like the grip is placed more toward the middle. I suppose you could adjust from there.The pics of the grip thingie shows it mounted all the way forward....but it does mount on the rail, correct? Could it be mounted more toward the rear?  |
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I know you're kidding around about this, but damn it amazes me that someone actually thought this would be a good idea to the point that they actually produced it. Now I have to send your birthday present back  Send'm back and spend that money on the wife and them cute little kids of yours. I doen need nuffin fer m'burfday....... 
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