[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Major Crises (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 3/26/2009 7:31:10 PM EDT
| Remember back in the campaign Bidden said that Dear Ruler (OBAMA) would suffer a major crises in his first six month in office... Well 2 months down... 4 more to go... What is it going to be? |
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Meh, he still hasn't used his Axis of Evil card. Each sitting president gets to attack at least one country in his first term of office.
I think it's either going to be: A) Pakistan or B) Iran Actually, seeing as the Pakistanis are still tolerating our sekrit incursions into their territory and we're extending the olive branch to the Iranians (as the Israelis are also doing), I'm changing my answer to C) The American People Tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend. Keep printing that money. We're playing world police, pushing (and paying) for such gems as missile defense systems for NATO's easternmost members, nationalizing, I mean, bailing out companies that should be allowed to fail, and then on top of that there's all this talk of yet more redistribution of wealth. All of this going on while the very real threat of the aging baby boomer lays a few years down the road. Social Security and Medicare are like the elephants in the room everyone's ignoring. The major crisis has been going on the past several decades of increasing Federal bloat in the name of liberalism, progressivism, or neoconservatism. |
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http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DlmG6VBbweY/SYk2Is2CQII/AAAAAAAAAQA/89D1iisWzFY/s320/Obama+Clown.jpg That's a good one too, dude! 
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or the teleprompter is hacked 
Why do people always assume President Obama's using a teleprompter? The guy went to Harvard Law School and graduated magna cum laude. That alone should say something about his intelligence and cunning (let's face it, who trusts lawyers?). If Obama seems as slick as Slick Willie, that's because like Clinton, Obama has carefully crafted his career around politics. He's got a hell of a lot of innate charisma from which he has, dare I write it, constructed a cult of personality, which is more potent than any scripted speech. To break Godwin's Law, Hitler never needed any teleprompters, either. |
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or the teleprompter is hacked
Why do people always assume President Obama's using a teleprompter? The guy went to Harvard Law School and graduated magna cum laude. That alone should say something about his intelligence and cunning (let's face it, who trusts lawyers?). If Obama seems as slick as Slick Willie, that's because like Clinton, Obama has carefully crafted his career around politics. He's got a hell of a lot of innate charisma from which he has, dare I write it, constructed a cult of personality, which is more potent than any scripted speech. To break Godwin's Law, Hitler never needed any teleprompters, either. Seriously dude, do you not pay attention? Or are you just a stupid fucking obama apologist? Pick one. |
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Quoted: They are positioning this Mexican drug war thing to be a major crisis. It could easily be handled but it will be sensationalized and legislation limiting our gun rights could be proposed. This... Instead of sending money he should send NG to the border and fuck them up... I can understand where they are coming from though not wanting to send troops there, they don't want to have an iraq/afghanistan type scenario so close to home AND the libtards might get angry because he's using troops again... |
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America took the fatal shot awhile ago. She is just looking for a place to lie down and die.
Like Rome, we have moved from bread and circuses, to states talking about succeeding from the Union (Montana comes to mind). You are also getting the local politicians telling the Feds to piss off, and not in a good way...Just like in the days when the provincial leaders told Rome to mind their own business...Rome still stomped them, but the story isn't them getting stomped, it is them feeling brave enough to tell Rome to fuck off. Mexico isn't the problem, the drug dealers and corruption are. If Hilliary wants to impress me she could go after the bankers and money launders in this WOD. But she won't... The major crisis was the economy. Here is some bread. |
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Seriously dude, do you not pay attention? Or are you just a stupid fucking obama apologist? Pick one. Granted, sometimes Obama relies on a teleprompter, but other times, such as during the debates, he doesn't. Do you deny that, no matter what the case, Obama is still charismatic as hell? With the teleprompter, Obama is Oprah. Without it, he's still Oprah. Obama could deliver a State of the Union as stand-up comedy and have over half of the audience swooning and screaming "Praise Jebus." It could very well be that he uses the teleprompter the same way a lawyer consults his notes in a courtroom. Hell, I'll be the first to say that I like teleprompters. It makes speeches easier to listen to. It makes those verbatim transcripts easier to read through. Bush the Younger should have used a teleprompter more; it would have improved his image (I stll wouldn't have voted for him, though). Ask yourself this: Does the method of delivery really matter as much as the message? I wouldn't give a rat's ass if the President delivered his speeches like the Swedish Chef, complete with puppet and b0rks, as long as I agree with the message (which, sadly, is never the case). Just off the top of my head, from recent memory: (TOTUS) Teleprompter of the United States Palin can see Alaska from her house. McCain moving to grope Obama's ass. Hillary's tears. Romney's a Scientologist. Leave Britney Alone Bush's Back Box Edwards using hairspray Bush flipping the bird Frankenkerry being weird Dean Scream etc. This is the same media that mocked the perceived lack of intelligence of Gov. Palin and played and replayed the Dean Scream ad nauseum. We should try to be objective when examining our politicians, even if politics and the media aren't fair. The media deserves our skepticism. The use of a teleprompter bugs me about as much as me being perceived as an Obamaite. Which is to say, it doesn't.[/threadjack] We can continue this in PMs or another thread if you want. |
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or the teleprompter is hacked
Why do people always assume President Obama's using a teleprompter? The guy went to Harvard Law School and graduated magna cum laude. That alone should say something about his intelligence and cunning (let's face it, who trusts lawyers?). If Obama seems as slick as Slick Willie, that's because like Clinton, Obama has carefully crafted his career around politics. He's got a hell of a lot of innate charisma from which he has, dare I write it, constructed a cult of personality, which is more potent than any scripted speech. To break Godwin's Law, Hitler never needed any teleprompters, either. Seriously dude, do you not pay attention? Or are you just a stupid fucking obama apologist? Pick one. Actually, Grumpy, I think in true ARFCom tradition, it sound like he should pick both... |
| TESC , it's for the children. Evergreener's posts have college-think written all over them. Maybe it's the subtle undercurrent of pomposity. Maybe it's all that good spelling. Still hard to get past the smell test. On the subject of Jeebus 2.0, er, Obama, the guy can't make a complete sentence without his beloved video babysitter. um, er, ah, well, you know.....I uh, but, it's like..... |
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Quoted: Evergreener's posts have college-think written all over them. Maybe it's the subtle undercurrent of pomposity. Maybe it's all that good spelling. Still hard to get past the smell test. You are hereby knighted Sir Readmymind. My grandfather, (who I love to quote because he supplied me with many accurate warnings about people and life before he passed), often said that "many people who purchase educations, spend the rest of their lives trying to recover from them.". Might have had something to do with him marrying a school teacher..... |
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Quoted: Why do people always assume President Obama's using a teleprompter? Because he pretty much does. If it can be used he's using it. He used a flat screen monitor as one during the news conference on Tuesday, placing it out of the TV camera shot, trying to reduce the teleprompter president label he's been given.  It's not that big a deal, every President since Eisenhower has used a teleprompter but not nearly as much as obama does and it should have people adjust their skewed perception of him as a great speaker. When he doesn't have his binky like teleprompter he turns into an uhhhhh machine gun, sputtering and stammering his way through. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Why do people always assume President Obama's using a teleprompter? Because he pretty much does. If it can be used he's using it. He used a flat screen monitor as one during the news conference on Tuesday, placing it out of the TV camera shot, trying to reduce the teleprompter president label he's been given. http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2009/03/25/us/politics/prompter480.jpg It's not that big a deal, every President since Eisenhower has used a teleprompter but not nearly as much as obama does and it should have people adjust their skewed perception of him as a great speaker. When he doesn't have his binky like teleprompter he turns into an uhhhhh machine gun, sputtering and stammering his way through. You get the hell out of here with your logic. |
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I could normally come up with several things to say about bad politics at this time but there is so much wrong it depresses me. I watch to much news.
Our fearless leader is doing what he said he'd do and somethings he said he wouldn't do. Term limits is the only answer I can see. [If we last that long] for all politicians |
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Quoted: Quoted: or the teleprompter is hacked Why do people always assume President Obama's using a teleprompter? You've been living under a rock? John Kerry did worse at Yale than GW, Al Gore's McMansion was a eco disaster compared to GW's enviromentally concious home, etc. etc. What i'm saying is, what's presented to you on TV and in the news isn't always reality. The left does a better job with managing image and has a stronger, more subtle propaganda machine. Despite what people tell you in college, you've gotta learn to read between the lines. I think I started doing that when I actually bothered to learn what actually happened to Randy Weaver. I was pretty shocked at how well I had been indoctrinated by pop culture/media. |
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Evergreener's posts have college-think written all over them. Hah. I wish I were the product of generic college-think. Then there'd be more libertarians in the country. Maybe it's the subtle undercurrent of pomposity.
Zing! Maybe it's all that good spelling.
I've got a teleprompter. Still hard to get past the smell test.
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He's a Fed. I wish. Have you seen the benefits they get? Quoted:
You've been living under a rock? http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/uselection,,barack-obama-thanks-himself-in-teleprompter-mistake,77924 John Kerry did worse at Yale than GW, Al Gore's McMansion was a eco disaster compared to GW's enviromentally concious home, etc. etc. What i'm saying is, what's presented to you on TV and in the news isn't always reality. No duh! As I wrote in an earlier post in this thread, I don't buy everything they write. Six months ago, Democrats were calling me a Palin apologist for saying she wasn't some redneck bimbo. Four years ago, people thought I was a GWB supporter (I'm not). If there's one thing I believe, it's that politicians are anything but stupid. One does not attain high government office by being stupid. I don't have to take the GOP's rhetoric hook, line, and sinker in order to be against Obama. That doesn't mean I vote Leftard when I defend Obama's use of a teleprompter (which I still believe isn't a real issue). The left does a better job with managing image and has a stronger, more subtle propaganda machine. Despite what people tell you in college, you've gotta learn to read between the lines. I think I started doing that when I actually bothered to learn what actually happened to Randy Weaver. I was pretty shocked at how well I had been indoctrinated by pop culture/media.
Leftist propaganda, rightwing propaganda, it's all propaganda. This teleprompter thing is just more smoke and mirrors, sleight-of-hand by the media to distract the public from the real issue: our country is going broke while the power and scope of our government is expanding. ETA: What's with all the div /divs? |
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Quoted: snip So you read the article right? An earlier incident: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc You don't need to be a statistician to see a recurring pattern here. Of course the current sample size is small and the R-squared isn't significant enough to draw a significant correlation coefficient, but i'm sure our sample size will grow sufficiently over time enough for us to positively reject the null hypothesis that Obama is capable of being as good of a speaker without the teleprompter as he is with. |
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Quoted: <Temporarily taking a leave from the Military>Quoted: or the teleprompter is hacked Why do people always assume President Obama's using a teleprompter? The guy went to Harvard Law School and graduated magna cum laude. That alone should say something about his intelligence and cunning (let's face it, who trusts lawyers?). If Obama seems as slick as Slick Willie, that's because like Clinton, Obama has carefully crafted his career around politics. He's got a hell of a lot of innate charisma from which he has, dare I write it, constructed a cult of personality, which is more potent than any scripted speech. To break Godwin's Law, Hitler never needed any teleprompters, either.  Wow. Really? Does a high-order college degree automatically make you able to deduce well-planned, morally sound, Constitutionally correct, capitalist based, and timely decisions concerning the guidance of this country's direction and the well being of all the citizens that reside here? Or is it just a piece of fucking paper with no real bearing or insight to person who's name is embossed on it? I've met more than my fair share of individuals, many of them Army Officers, who have "Education", but couldn't think their way out of a WalMart Checkout lane if it wasn't for the Fat woman in the mumu trying to get out before her fucking Bonbons melted. Fact of the matter is, the current sitting President has a record woefully short of initiating policy, an inadequate amount of "real world" experiance (Think real hard before you mention Illinois politics) and all he has going for him is really that Charisma you wrote about, and the ability to doubletalk a subject so skillfully, you might just think he's trying to help. He didn't craft shit around being activly engaged in politics, he crafted his career around using his political position to meet the "right" people. I don't see him having much original thought, it's fed to him by a panel of experts and policy influencers, that spoon feed his speeches and "thoughts"...that's why he stutters and tapdances when the teleprompter goes out or is absent, because in 90% of the topics it's NOT HIS IDEA, ERGO HE DOESN"T HAVE A WELL THOUGHT OUT BASIS OF UNDERSTANDING. <Back in Service>
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Quoted:i'm sure our sample size will grow sufficiently over time enough for us to positively reject the null hypothesis that Obama is capable of being as good of a speaker without the teleprompter as he is with.
I maintain he's still charismatic as hell, even when he's stammering. He might be able to give the pastor at that church I sometimes attend a run for his money. If Oprah and Steve Jobs were to have a baby, the baby would be remarkably similar to Barack Obama. Yep, I read the article. Again, it's not how he's delivering the speeches, it's what his speeches are about that worries me. Or what Obama and Cowen are talking about behind closed doors, what with the upcoming G20 summit and Ireland's "NO" to the Lisbon Treaty last year... |
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Quoted:all he has going for him is really that Charisma you wrote about, and the ability to doubletalk a subject so skillfully, you might just think he's trying to help. He didn't craft shit around being activly engaged in politics, he crafted his career around using his political position to meet the "right" people.
That's exactly my point! Obama's got his lawyer's charm, and he's really good at using it. I don't see him having much original thought, it's fed to him by a panel of experts and policy influencers, that spoon feed his speeches and "thoughts"...that's why he stutters and tapdances when the teleprompter goes out or is absent, because in 90% of the topics it's NOT HIS IDEA, ERGO HE DOESN"T HAVE A WELL THOUGHT OUT BASIS OF UNDERSTANDING.
I agree 100%. But I'm not going to budge from my position that Obama can still get most Americans to eat out of his hand, teleprompter or no. |
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Quoted: That's exactly my point! Obama's got his lawyer's charm, and he's really good at using it. I agree 100%. But I'm not going to budge from my position that Obama can still get most Americans to eat out of his hand, teleprompter or no. Um... ok. Maybe it depends on where you hang out at? Most folks I speak with daily believe that he does possess some speaking reading ability. They also believe he's stuck in campaign mode while his administration is feverishly busy legislating restrictions on, and power over, every thing that made this nation great. Being one who sets a little more store in what people do, rather than what they say, I can't say it'll matter much longer how well he reads aloud. But whatever you do, don't budge. Hell of a point you made.  |
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Quoted: Great!Quoted:all he has going for him is really that Charisma you wrote about, and the ability to doubletalk a subject so skillfully, you might just think he's trying to help. He didn't craft shit around being activly engaged in politics, he crafted his career around using his political position to meet the "right" people. That's exactly my point! Obama's got his lawyer's charm, and he's really good at using it. I don't see him having much original thought, it's fed to him by a panel of experts and policy influencers, that spoon feed his speeches and "thoughts"...that's why he stutters and tapdances when the teleprompter goes out or is absent, because in 90% of the topics it's NOT HIS IDEA, ERGO HE DOESN"T HAVE A WELL THOUGHT OUT BASIS OF UNDERSTANDING. I agree 100%. But I'm not going to budge from my position that Obama can still get most Americans to eat out of his hand, teleprompter or no. Ducky even! However- It's the semantics of how you're presenting the argument is what has most people riled with your earlier statement. I personally would like to think you've logged here because you're gun owner, have some constitutionalist leanings, and consider yourself a staunch "libertarian". I also think, despite your screenname having the possible meaning of one from the State Of Washington, the views, posts and opinions we've seen from you have a touch of an Liberal college mindset. (Yes, like Evergreen.) You *may* have been poisoned with more liberal indoctronation than you realize, but that's up to you to deal with that thru some introspective soul searching and distillation. Just beware that there's many here who can sniff thru the smokescreen and will readily call BS. Mmmmmm-Kayy? |
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Quoted:Being one who sets a little more store in what people do, rather than what they say, I can't say it'll matter much longer how well he reads aloud.
Of course it matters how well he reads speaks. We've got one-party rule (okay, not really, but close). The Dems are in charge, carte blanche. If Obama can keep delivering his fiery speeches and keep working his reality distortion field, he can keep the wool pulled over the sheeple's eyes. In four years, we'll see a lot more than 53% of voters chanting "Four more years." I'm not going to underestimate the power of Obama's Jedi mind trick. Imagine a decade of one-party rule. 
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| Am I the last person on earth who isn't impressed with the obamassiah's "charisma"? I find his speaking borders on annoying. He sounds like someone with "bubble throat". I keep waiting for him to cough, or clear his throat. I find nothing attractive about his habit of "dropping" his voice at the end of words or sentences. I'd rather listen to a stutterer with Tourette's. |
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Quoted: Quoted:Being one who sets a little more store in what people do, rather than what they say, I can't say it'll matter much longer how well he reads aloud. Of course it matters how well he reads speaks. We've got one-party rule (okay, not really, but close). The Dems are in charge, carte blanche. If Obama can keep delivering his fiery speeches and keep working his reality distortion field, he can keep the wool pulled over the sheeple's eyes. In four years, we'll see a lot more than 53% of voters chanting "Four more years." I'm not going to underestimate the power of Obama's Jedi mind trick. Imagine a decade of one-party rule. I think you're underestimating the thinness of Americas wallet. |
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You *may* have been poisoned with more liberal indoctronation than you realize, but that's up to you to deal with that thru some introspective soul searching and distillation. Just beware that there's many here who can sniff thru the smokescreen and will readily call BS. Mmmmmm-Kayy? Heh. Fair enough if that's your assessment. It's true that I would appear "liberal" to most conservatives (in today's sense of the word), but then again, I'd probably label said conservatives as "neoconservatives" anyway. 
I am conservative on the issues, though. If you consider paleoconservatism to be conservative. 
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I think you're underestimating the thinness of Americas wallet. Perhaps, but I have faith that this farce will continue to live on for a few more decades as we march steadily towards globalism. Our wallet doesn't seem so then when it's the world's wallet! Let's see what great ideas G20 has for us next week.
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Quoted: I count...1....2.....3....3 or more big, "buzz" words. Get away from school for a bit, meet real people, not just professors and protestors.Quoted: You *may* have been poisoned with more liberal indoctronation than you realize, but that's up to you to deal with that thru some introspective soul searching and distillation. Just beware that there's many here who can sniff thru the smokescreen and will readily call BS. Mmmmmm-Kayy? Heh. Fair enough if that's your assessment. It's true that I would appear "liberal" to most conservatives (in today's sense of the word), but then again, I'd probably label said conservatives as "neoconservatives" anyway. I am conservative on the issues, though. If you consider paleoconservatism to be conservative. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I think you're underestimating the thinness of Americas wallet. Perhaps, but I have faith that this farce will continue to live on for a few more decades as we march steadily towards globalism. Our wallet doesn't seem so then when it's the world's wallet! I've heard that they're still teaching that superstition (faith) in formal education today. They really need to get some new books. Replace 'decades' with 'months', and you'll be better up to speed. Or not. pssst, it's on TV, right now! |