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11/11/2005 8:23:00 AM EDT
The white swinging metal target we had on the left side at Browns Camp (not the one on the right we destroyed) got some more damage while there, including a crack, after someone shot another round of steel core at it, so I emailed the manufacturer with a few questions.

Here is what he said:

The target that you bought should have no problem with .308 ammunition.
We recommend that your do not shoot our  targets with any hollow point
bullets or with bullets that have projectiles inside them, as these will
damage the targets.

All of the targets that The Metal Man produce are constructed from AR500
steel.  The local shooting clubs shoot thousands of rounds at the
targets without problems.

The 8" swinger is available using part "TR155 including the swinger, the
price is $34.00.  This prices does not include shipping.


I figured .308 was okay to shoot at it. It swings like a flying pig when shot with .308, but the impact really doesn’t cause substantial damage to the plate. It’s more like a little wear mark. And sometimes it knocks it down. .223 rounds are absolutely gentle to it.

We need more long range targets like this. Just keep steel core and HP away from it.

I think the steel jacket Wolf did not cause damage either, but more testing is needed.
11/11/2005 8:25:24 AM EDT
[#1]
I'm behind on my metal target update......
kinda had alot going on.

But that metal I used on the 3 piece target.....wow.  You guys killed that thing!
11/11/2005 8:58:24 AM EDT
[#2]

Quoted:

We need more long range targets like this. Just keep steel core and HP away from it.




Must have been me, Sorry.  I was nailing that thing with my Ruger MkII using HP Stingers
11/11/2005 11:14:57 AM EDT
[#3]

I think the steel jacket Wolf did not cause damage either, but more testing is needed.


That's because wolf is copper jacketed, steel cased ammo.
11/11/2005 11:34:46 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

I think the steel jacket Wolf did not cause damage either, but more testing is needed.


That's because wolf is copper jacketed, steel cased ammo.



Depends on what you buy.

Some is copper jacketed, some is "Bi-Metal" jacketed.

It's a steel/copper blend, I believe.
11/11/2005 11:41:45 AM EDT
[#5]
Really? I've only ever seen copper jacketed. Do they offer the bi-metal in all calibers? Is this the older ammo or current production?
11/11/2005 11:44:42 AM EDT
[#6]
Nevermind, visited the site and answered my own question, only some rifle calibers and it is current production.  I guess I have never seen it because I really only use it in .223, and that's caliber thats not offered in bi-metal. How 'bout that, learn something new everyday.
11/11/2005 11:45:29 AM EDT
[#7]

Quoted:

I think the steel jacket Wolf did not cause damage either, but more testing is needed.


That's because wolf is copper jacketed, steel cased ammo.



That's new Wolf. There is still plenty of it with steel jackets and quite a bit of other Russian ammo with just steel jackets available.
11/11/2005 1:27:13 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:
... It's a steel/copper blend, I believe.



My understanding is that it's steel with a "copper wash" for lubrication.... not that I'm any kind of expert.

At the Practical Rifle match there is no magnetic bullet content period.
11/11/2005 1:36:25 PM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
... It's a steel/copper blend, I believe.



My understanding is that it's steel with a "copper wash" for lubrication.... not that I'm any kind of expert.

At the Practical Rifle match there is no magnetic bullet content period.



Perhaps where talking steel core rounds here. I have shot Wolf at P.R. before and tested it with a magnet. and looked at the targets shot at close range. No damage of any kind happened. This was with both the old lacker coated and new polymer stuff.
11/11/2005 2:31:58 PM EDT
[#10]
It depends on the Type of Wolf you get..

i just bought a batch of wolf JHP and it deffently has steel content i can put a magnet on the bullet and it will hold itself up by it.

basicly just do the magnet test on your ammo before you use it on a steel target. i have seen this type of Wolf go clean through engine parts. i know for a fact that it could penatrate a Block of a car if it was un obstructed..

this is probably as clouse to AP ammo as it gets now adays..
11/11/2005 3:13:51 PM EDT
[#11]
 Well thats interesting. I have never used the hollow point stuff  in 5.56 myself. But I will keep your experience in mind.
11/11/2005 3:19:37 PM EDT
[#12]
I do for target in a Black Hills loading. Much more accurate than the usual mil-grade XM193 stuff.
11/11/2005 7:14:32 PM EDT
[#13]
You're full of crap. That was my .45 ball that broke your target. Bigger caliber. What was the range on that one? I only hit it a few times so it must have been out there.
11/11/2005 8:48:48 PM EDT
[#14]

We recommend that your do not shoot our  targets with any hollow point
bullets
or with bullets that have projectiles inside them, as these will
damage the targets.



Could someone please explain to me how a copper-jacketed hollow point can damage a steel target?

I can understand the steel-cored penetrators like SS109 and M855, and the bi-matal jackets like the old Wolf or S&B, but I honestly don't think that a normal hollow point would cause any damage.  It's still made out of copper and lead.  If hollow points can cause damage, what about soft points or ballistic tips?

Am I missing something here?
11/11/2005 8:49:04 PM EDT
[#15]

Actually if it was a large caliber that did the damage it was me. I hit it with one of those .502 Caliber Thunder Sabres. It’s the only AR that Arnold Schwarzenegger thinks is too powerful for him to handle one handed.
11/11/2005 9:15:10 PM EDT
[#16]
I think I may have contributed a few holes. I had some oddball ammo for the 14 and heard sombody say it was fucking them up. SOrry for that.
CH
11/11/2005 10:24:19 PM EDT
[#17]
Hey i might have dammaged the targe because i was shooting 7.62x39mm Cheetah FMJ from South Africa through my AK. I hit it several times. I'm positive i destroyed Mike's swing thing because i shot that many times. Not 100% that i cracked it but the African ammo seems much more of a hotter load than Wolf.
11/12/2005 9:16:51 PM EDT
[#18]

It was only one extra hole. You can't all claim credit for it

I don't understand the no hollowpoint bullet restriction. Another website that sells the same type of steel target says no FMJ.
11/13/2005 2:16:10 AM EDT
[#19]
maybe they are BB gun and sling shots targets