Posted: 3/25/2009 5:07:26 AM EDT
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walked into a gun store for the first time (kept seeing it as i drove by, but never stopped) and the guy has a crate of mosin nagants for sale.. i think he wanted 180 for the M44's and 170 for the 91/30's the nice thing is it comes with the tool kit, two correct ammo pouches and a bayonet
when payday comes me and a buddy are gonna go and score two M44's |
| These prices are a little on the high side. If you're near Rochester, there's a vendor that sells them for about $130 at the Dome Gun Shows, and even Gander sells (at least they did two months ago) them for about $150. Surplus ammo is still reasonable - about $90/ 440 rounds these days. |
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no shit... well thanks for the heads up same buddy and I are gonna go to the dome show .. ill tell him to hold off them.. id like to get two.. one to keep for fun.. and the other to sporter with a new stock and trim it down mainly b/c the ammo is cheap and your not investing $10000000 in a highpower |
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IO has mosin 91/30 rifles for $88.95, and they come with all the accessories you listed...
Interordnance mosins Look on Gunbroker as well...lots of them listed...many at reasonable prices lower than your local store. |
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fuckers used to be like 70 bucks Got mine for $58 plus shipping from AIM in 2005 with my cruffler and some of Chinese T-type versions were selling for around $40 per a few years ago from a dealer (Omega Arms?) out in AZ or NM or someplace like that...they were beat to hell, but they still worked. Never again will we see days like that. M44's are decent rifles. Later war models (1945) tend to be very rough around the edges: Literally and figuratively. Less precise machining, sloppy craftsmanship if you can call it that, basically the Red Army demand for rifles was so high that factories were just churning these things out like license plates. The post war M44's were better quality but were not "war rifles". 91/30's (the long ass rifles) are a mixed bag. Some are refurb'ed Dragoons, hex receivers, and others are dime a dozen mid to late war rifles. Both M44's and 91/30's will most likely be arsenal refurbished before they were put into storage. Meaning new stocks that may not be correct to the pattern of rifle, counter bored muzzles (basically drilled out the true muzzle at the end of the barrel and recrowned the lands and groves a few inches back from the true end of the barrel to inside the barrel). Nothing incorrect about arsenal refurb's as that is how they were put away for storage for Ivan's Rainy Day worries (Russians don't throw anything away, they like lots of rifles and guns on hand to issue out to women and other non-military folks that would need to defend the Motherland). Recoil is stout with the M44's with yellow tipped (180gr or more) heavy ball. Silver tip ammo designates light ball, around 150gr or so depending upon country of origin, Both heavy and light ball ammo are safe to shoot in M44's, M91/30's, M38's, M39's etc... Assume all milsurp ammo is corrosive. Just need to flush out (read: you never "neutralize" the corrosive salts, you flush them out). Use warm soapy water in a spray bottle. generously flush the bore and bolt face. Follow up immediately with WD40 (Water Displacing) to remove the excess left over water, Then clean like a normally dirty firearm. M44's may shoot way off to one side when you try sighting in your rifle, this may be due to the fact that M44's were designed to be shot with the bayo out and ready to sick Nazis. Try engaging the bayo forward and shoot the rifle again, their is a good chance it will group/"pattern" better than if it was stowed away on the side of the rifle. Good luck! |
| aimsurplus has these for $79 and 89 on there site. I bought 6 91/30's from them and they were all in very nice shape. No M44's but I bet they will get them in shortly. Fun rifle to shoot. I use ammonia in a squirt bottle to flush them out at the range, and bore snake when I get home. Never had a problem with corrosive ammo, some rifles appear to have a chrome lined bore as well. |
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I've had a few Mosin Nagants and I've sold them all but my first, which is probably the worst made rifle I've ever seen. I like it because it's mid/late war and it shows. Shoots real nice however.
I buy them to "stick away" but always end up selling them when I need to move some stuff before a big purchase. |
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fuckers used to be like 70 bucks Got mine for $58 plus shipping from AIM in 2005 with my cruffler and some of Chinese T-type versions were selling for around $40 per a few years ago from a dealer (Omega Arms?) out in AZ or NM or someplace like that...they were beat to hell, but they still worked. Never again will we see days like that. M44's are decent rifles. Later war models (1945) tend to be very rough around the edges: Literally and figuratively. Less precise machining, sloppy craftsmanship if you can call it that, basically the Red Army demand for rifles was so high that factories were just churning these things out like license plates. The post war M44's were better quality but were not "war rifles". 91/30's (the long ass rifles) are a mixed bag. Some are refurb'ed Dragoons, hex receivers, and others are dime a dozen mid to late war rifles. Both M44's and 91/30's will most likely be arsenal refurbished before they were put into storage. Meaning new stocks that may not be correct to the pattern of rifle, counter bored muzzles (basically drilled out the true muzzle at the end of the barrel and recrowned the lands and groves a few inches back from the true end of the barrel to inside the barrel). Nothing incorrect about arsenal refurb's as that is how they were put away for storage for Ivan's Rainy Day worries (Russians don't throw anything away, they like lots of rifles and guns on hand to issue out to women and other non-military folks that would need to defend the Motherland). Recoil is stout with the M44's with yellow tipped (180gr or more) heavy ball. Silver tip ammo designates light ball, around 150gr or so depending upon country of origin, Both heavy and light ball ammo are safe to shoot in M44's, M91/30's, M38's, M39's etc... Assume all milsurp ammo is corrosive. Just need to flush out (read: you never "neutralize" the corrosive salts, you flush them out). Use warm soapy water in a spray bottle. generously flush the bore and bolt face. Follow up immediately with WD40 (Water Displacing) to remove the excess left over water, Then clean like a normally dirty firearm. M44's may shoot way off to one side when you try sighting in your rifle, this may be due to the fact that M44's were designed to be shot with the bayo out and ready to sick Nazis. Try engaging the bayo forward and shoot the rifle again, their is a good chance it will group/"pattern" better than if it was stowed away on the side of the rifle. Good luck! pretty damn good info right there, thanks for that. |
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Quoted: fuckers used to be like 70 bucks They still are from a Site sponsor called "AIM" http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Surplus_and_Used_Long_Guns.html I have three and bought them for $70.00 Good luck, Iggyort PS Here is the Web Site for everything Mosin http://7.62x54r.net/ |
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Let me guess, Sheards in Byron. . just a FYI, sheards is in Bergen. thats what I call my little slice of home. sheards....SUCKS!!!!! he's an A-hole, his prices are way to high. and he treats you like hes doing YOU a favor just by showing you a gun. I'll never buy anything from that guy. |
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fuckers used to be like 70 bucks They still are from a Site sponsor called "AIM" http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Surplus_and_Used_Long_Guns.html I have three and bought them for $70.00 Good luck, Iggyort PS Here is the Web Site for everything Mosin http://7.62x54r.net/ Of course, you still have to deal with shipping costs and the FFL transfer fee, if you don't have a C&R. This can still kick costs up into the $140 range, depending. The bloke at the Dome gun show's prices range from $99 to $300 or so (the latter being for sniper versions, or really nice Finnish models/rarities of one sort or another). He has usually got some shipping crates of M44s, and loose 91/30s, occasionally has other Mosins of one sort or another. I picked up a Izhevsk-produced 1938 carbine (which is gonna get the sporter/scout rifle treatment) from him at the show in Syracuse last year. Solid shooter, but hoo boy the recoil and muzzle blast.  (same is true of the M44s, is my understanding - 7.62x54R was not intended to be fired from a 20" barrel!)
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the last couple of local shows around here had 91/30's for $109. I haven't seen M44's in while...except the one I am now customizing!
The muzzle was counter bored...the stock was cracked,..Bayo was missing,and it was real cheap....so I pulled the front sight base and rear sight base off...cut the barrel back and re-crowned... and then added a FAL flash hider,I am now working on welding a new turned down bolt handle, and a custom scope mount that will accept the Russian style scopes. I ordered a custom stock...can't wait! |
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Weird. I was just at Tim's Guns in Elbridge this afternoon and a group of guys showed up one at a time about 5 minutes apart of each other and entered into what I can only quantify as a "mosin party". The shop has about 30 each of the M44's and 91/30's on a rack in the back of the shop and his prices are still pretty reasonable. There was one guy there who was very knowledgable about their history, pedigree and the small nuances of the platform and seemed to be advising the others on what they were looking for. He was even doing bore tests.
I left before they were done but it sounded like all 5 guys were going to be taking a few mosin's each home tonight. Ive got one of each and wouldnt trade them away for anything; they are a ton of fun. |
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the last couple of local shows around here had 91/30's for $109. I haven't seen M44's in while...except the one I am now customizing! The muzzle was counter bored...the stock was cracked,..Bayo was missing,and it was real cheap....so I pulled the front sight base and rear sight base off...cut the barrel back and re-crowned... and then added a FAL flash hider,I am now working on welding a new turned down bolt handle, and a custom scope mount that will accept the Russian style scopes. I ordered a custom stock...can't wait! could you email me or post some pics? sounds just like want i would like to do! |
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fuckers used to be like 70 bucks They still are from a Site sponsor called "AIM" http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Surplus_and_Used_Long_Guns.html I have three and bought them for $70.00 Good luck, Iggyort PS Here is the Web Site for everything Mosin http://7.62x54r.net/ Of course, you still have to deal with shipping costs and the FFL transfer fee, if you don't have a C&R. This can still kick costs up into the $140 range, depending. The bloke at the Dome gun show's prices range from $99 to $300 or so (the latter being for sniper versions, or really nice Finnish models/rarities of one sort or another). He has usually got some shipping crates of M44s, and loose 91/30s, occasionally has other Mosins of one sort or another. I picked up a Izhevsk-produced 1938 carbine (which is gonna get the sporter/scout rifle treatment) from him at the show in Syracuse last year. Solid shooter, but hoo boy the recoil and muzzle blast. (same is true of the M44s, is my understanding - 7.62x54R was not intended to be fired from a 20" barrel!)Funny, my buddy and I bought 2 hex receivers with FFL fees and shipping it came to $210 for both. That's 105 a piece. |
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They still are from a Site sponsor called "AIM" http://www.aimsurplus.com/acatalog/Surplus_and_Used_Long_Guns.html I have three and bought them for $70.00 Good luck, Iggyort PS Here is the Web Site for everything Mosin http://7.62x54r.net/ Of course, you still have to deal with shipping costs and the FFL transfer fee, if you don't have a C&R. This can still kick costs up into the $140 range, depending. The bloke at the Dome gun show's prices range from $99 to $300 or so (the latter being for sniper versions, or really nice Finnish models/rarities of one sort or another). He has usually got some shipping crates of M44s, and loose 91/30s, occasionally has other Mosins of one sort or another. I picked up a Izhevsk-produced 1938 carbine (which is gonna get the sporter/scout rifle treatment) from him at the show in Syracuse last year. Solid shooter, but hoo boy the recoil and muzzle blast. (same is true of the M44s, is my understanding - 7.62x54R was not intended to be fired from a 20" barrel!)Funny, my buddy and I bought 2 hex receivers with FFL fees and shipping it came to $210 for both. That's 105 a piece. Congratulations. You got a pretty good deal, and saved a couple of bucks off buying them at the Dome. But if you bought them from AIM, right now, you'd spend (assuming AIM charges about the same as the CMP does for shipping, and a fairly typical $40 bucks for FFL) - 89.95 + 22.95 + 40 = $152.90. Ten dollars less if you don't care about hex receiver vs. non-hex. And, given that I did say "can" and "depending" up above - suggesting that this was not a universal - I'm not sure why you're suggesting it's "funny". |
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Weird. I was just at Tim's Guns in Elbridge this afternoon and a group of guys showed up one at a time about 5 minutes apart of each other and entered into what I can only quantify as a "mosin party". The shop has about 30 each of the M44's and 91/30's on a rack in the back of the shop and his prices are still pretty reasonable. There was one guy there who was very knowledgable about their history, pedigree and the small nuances of the platform and seemed to be advising the others on what they were looking for. He was even doing bore tests. I left before they were done but it sounded like all 5 guys were going to be taking a few mosin's each home tonight. Ive got one of each and wouldnt trade them away for anything; they are a ton of fun. I just refer to Tim's as milsurp heaven. |