Posted: 11/13/2008 6:58:51 AM EDT
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AAI will be hosting an instructor development course for those who are interested in becoming a NRA Certified Instructor in pistol, rifle, shotgun and Range Safety Officer. The prerequisite to being able to attend this course is that you have to be able to provide documentation of training in each of the disciplines from a reputable instructor/firm (email [email protected]) for clarification. The cost is $325 for all 4 disciplines and will be held on Saturday, December 20th by a NRA certified counselor. This is a limited seat course that will be held in Lake City, Florida and payment must be made by December 1st in order for the home study materials to be sent to each participant prior to the classroom/range portion. This course will then enable participants to go forth and pass instruction on to the masses enabling those who wish to obtain their CCW licenses and promote responsible firearms ownership and support the 2nd ammendment. For more info email [email protected] Unitl Next Time ... Take Care and Stay Aware! |
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Hey Guys ... sorry to offend but this has been brought up before in other HTFs and the little pistol icon beside the name is supposed to allow the poster to post these types of threads.
I'm just trying to what I can to get good information out to other good people to pass on to the masses more good info in support of the second ammendment. Once again ... sorry to offend Now that I'm clear on what "IBTH" means ... to Hank ... sorry in advance for any kind of hassle that you might suffer because of this thread. Until Next Time ... Take Care and Stay Aware! |
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Hey Guys ... sorry to offend but this has been brought up before in other HTFs and the little pistol icon beside the name is supposed to allow the poster to post these types of threads. This is true, last I checked on it. Icon pegs you as a training/instructor designated by staff, so good to go in the hometown forums. |
Let me be the first to apologise. 
We are so used to folks coming in trying to sell something, against the COC/HTF rules, and then Hank lowers The Hammer. 
HKO NRA Certified Instructor Home Firearm Safety Personal Protection Pistol NRA Range Safety Officer Tennessee State Certified Handgun Instructor Man About Town |
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Well seeing as how my wife and I are both NRA instructors, I am also a CRSO, and I give the RSO class, I am curious how he is giving all of those classes on one day.
RSO is a one day class, you have to have Basic instructor before you can take a discipline instructor course, basic pistol is one whole day, and I believe that shotgun and rifle are both two day courses. If anyone is curious, I will contact the man that taught me and ask him the length of those courses and when he is giving them again. Semper Fi |
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Well seeing as how my wife and I are both NRA instructors, I am also a CRSO, and I give the RSO class, I am curious how he is giving all of those classes on one day. RSO is a one day class, you have to have Basic instructor before you can take a discipline instructor course, basic pistol is one whole day, and I believe that shotgun and rifle are both two day courses. If anyone is curious, I will contact the man that taught me and ask him the length of those courses and when he is giving them again. Semper Fi Unless the NRA counselor that has been doing this for nearly 30 years is incorrect, there really is no set timeframe on these courses ... some Counselors teach one discipline in three days, some in one day, some in two days, etc., etc., etc., If you'll notice the pre-requisite requirement is that each participant must have formal training by a reputable instructor/firm of which my counselor and I will be the judges on which is going to be a minimum two days per discipline of which the courses that I'm referring to cover much more than a basic NRA instructor course. The actual instructor materials will be mailed to prospective participants for the "homestudy" portion prior to the one day practical portion of the Instructor course. While it might sound too good to be true, if you have put your money where your mouth is and taken intiative to attend quality training increasing your knowlege and skills regarding the industry, this is our way of giving you the opportunity to take your skills to the next step in beginning to pass that knowledge on (Lord knows we need it now more than ever) at a great price and a manageable timeframe. God bless and stay safe! |
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This not a "give me" course. It is a limited seat course whereby each of the participants will be given topics in advance that they will have to satisfactorily present along with demonstrating proficiency in each of the platforms prior to the magic signature being stamped on the paperwork. If they do not demonstrate that they can teach the necessary material, they will have the opportunity to come back at a later date (no extra charge).
I understand the skepticism, but we are trying to do a good thing here. If you want to particpate, we'd love to have you, If not, I don't know what to tell you. |
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I thought that there was a dedicated time frame for each course in the course outline of the instructors manual for each discipline. I only say this, because I am looking at mine and it says that there is. Although I haven't been a instructor for over 30 years, so maybe my materials aren't classics, but that new fangled stuff thats up to date and all.
Sorry man, but you can't compress a week or more worth of classes into 1 day. |
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There is no way in hell this can be a true and correct class. Sounds like a hack job way to get money without a decent product in return.
When I went to my LE firearms instructor courses, my classes were as follows, with each day at least 8 hours... Basic Instructor Development - 3 Days Basic Firearms Instructor (Handgun, Shotgun) - 5 Days Patrol Rifle Instructor - 5 Days So that alone is 13 days x 8 hours a day = 104 hours. No way this would pass muster with the NRA. 
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NRA does have a policy and procedure in place, and all courses have a minimum time requirement, and must be conducted face to face. This course would need to be 51 hours long, and if I am not mistaken, would be impossible to do in ONE day. It doesn't matter what prior qualifications an instructor candidate has - whether they are an olympic trap shooter, USMC sniper, LEO, it doesn't matter. The course is 51 hours long for these disciplines! Let me break it down - Basic Instructor Training - 6 hours Pistol Discipline - 11 hours Rifle Discipline - 14 hours Shotgun Discipline - 11 hours Range Safety Officer - 9 hours If the "NRA Counselor" has an explanation on how this can be conducted in ONE day, please have him contact me. NRA Training Department will be on the look-out for any instructor applications being submitted from this course, and will not process them. Sincerely John Howard NRA National Instructor Trainer NRA Education & Training 703.267.1423 |
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Gentlemen: NRA does have a policy and procedure in place, and all courses have a minimum time requirement, and must be conducted face to face. This course would need to be 51 hours long, and if I am not mistaken, would be impossible to do in ONE day. It doesn't matter what prior qualifications an instructor candidate has - whether they are an olympic trap shooter, USMC sniper, LEO, it doesn't matter. The course is 51 hours long for these disciplines! Let me break it down - Basic Instructor Training - 6 hours Pistol Discipline - 11 hours Rifle Discipline - 14 hours Shotgun Discipline - 11 hours Range Safety Officer - 9 hours If the "NRA Counselor" has an explanation on how this can be conducted in ONE day, please have him contact me. NRA Training Department will be on the look-out for any instructor applications being submitted from this course, and will not process them. Sincerely John Howard NRA National Instructor Trainer NRA Education & Training 703.267.1423 OUCH! |
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Myself and the counselor that I am hosting to conduct this course were contacted by a NRA representative regarding this thread due to some hurt feelings by existing NRA Instructors. In consulting with one another, we thought that the prerequisites that I listed would have more than sufficed for the required timeframes (upwards of 60 hours of combined advanced training in the listed disciplines along with 2 weeks of homestudy and preparation and roughly 12 hours of presentation on the practical application day totaling approximately 72 hours), but have been advised by NRA that it is not acceptable. Hence we will conduct the advertised course on two consecutive weekends (December 12-14 and 19-21) in the required topics.
I will be contacting those who have registered to discuss this matter with them. Sorry for any inconvenience that this posting might have caused. Russ Adler Executive Director ADLER & ASSOCIATES INTERNATIONAL www.Dedicated-Professionals.com Quoted:
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Gentlemen: NRA does have a policy and procedure in place, and all courses have a minimum time requirement, and must be conducted face to face. This course would need to be 51 hours long, and if I am not mistaken, would be impossible to do in ONE day. It doesn't matter what prior qualifications an instructor candidate has - whether they are an olympic trap shooter, USMC sniper, LEO, it doesn't matter. The course is 51 hours long for these disciplines! Let me break it down - Basic Instructor Training - 6 hours Pistol Discipline - 11 hours Rifle Discipline - 14 hours Shotgun Discipline - 11 hours Range Safety Officer - 9 hours If the "NRA Counselor" has an explanation on how this can be conducted in ONE day, please have him contact me. NRA Training Department will be on the look-out for any instructor applications being submitted from this course, and will not process them. Sincerely John Howard NRA National Instructor Trainer NRA Education & Training 703.267.1423 OUCH! |
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Myself and the counselor that I am hosting to conduct this course were contacted by a NRA representative regarding this thread due to some hurt feelings by existing NRA Instructors. In consulting with one another, we thought that the prerequisites that I listed would have more than sufficed for the required timeframes (upwards of 60 hours of combined advanced training in the listed disciplines along with 2 weeks of homestudy and preparation and roughly 12 hours of presentation on the practical application day totaling approximately 72 hours), but have been advised by NRA that it is not acceptable. Hence we will conduct the advertised course on two consecutive weekends (December 12-14 and 19-21) in the required topics. I will be contacting those who have registered to discuss this matter with them. Sorry for any inconvenience that this posting might have caused. Russ Adler Executive Director ADLER & ASSOCIATES INTERNATIONAL www.Dedicated-Professionals.com Quoted:
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Gentlemen: NRA does have a policy and procedure in place, and all courses have a minimum time requirement, and must be conducted face to face. This course would need to be 51 hours long, and if I am not mistaken, would be impossible to do in ONE day. It doesn't matter what prior qualifications an instructor candidate has - whether they are an olympic trap shooter, USMC sniper, LEO, it doesn't matter. The course is 51 hours long for these disciplines! Let me break it down - Basic Instructor Training - 6 hours Pistol Discipline - 11 hours Rifle Discipline - 14 hours Shotgun Discipline - 11 hours Range Safety Officer - 9 hours If the "NRA Counselor" has an explanation on how this can be conducted in ONE day, please have him contact me. NRA Training Department will be on the look-out for any instructor applications being submitted from this course, and will not process them. Sincerely John Howard NRA National Instructor Trainer NRA Education & Training 703.267.1423 OUCH! You should really change your company name. Dedicated Professionals you are not. None of the NRA instructors on here have hurt feelings, we do hold ourselves up to certain standards that you apparently do not strive to reach. And so you know, I have over 500 hours of POST Certified firearms training and Instructing courses and I spent the required times in the NRA courses just like everybody else. What really happened was you thought that you could make some quick money and be a paper factory. Either teach and train others up the the high standards of the NRA or quit. We don't need paper pushers like your company giving people certifications to train when they can't. The people who lose are their future students. |
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"You should really change your company name. Dedicated Professionals you are not. None of the NRA instructors on here have hurt feelings, we do hold ourselves up to certain standards that you apparently do not strive to reach. And so you know, I have over 500 hours of POST Certified firearms training and Instructing courses and I spent the required times in the NRA courses just like everybody else. What really happened was you thought that you could make some quick money and be a paper factory. Either teach and train others up the the high standards of the NRA or quit. We don't need paper pushers like your company giving people certifications to train when they can't. The people who lose are their future students." It was not and is not my intention to start a dick measuring contest here. I have over 20 years of experience training in Law Enforcement, I am registered military contractor and conduct training for various inter service and special operations units and have worked as a private scurity contractor. As I said before, the pre-requisite criteria that was set forth in order for one to attend the listed course exceeded the NRA time specifications and unbeknownst to me at the time, it is not satifactory for the NRA, hence, the counselor and I are negotiating with the proper NRA authorities to rectify this situation. My associates and I conduct various Instructor level courses that cost a lot more than this and they are not give aways. I have failed people who do not meet the standard. If my poor choice of words "hurt feelings" caused offense, I will take the high ground, apologize and state that I appreciate the zealous responses that have this thread has caused. I wish people like you who have responded to this thread regarding high standards took this past election this seriously and could have pushed harder for the lesser of the evil that we have to deal with in the White House and Congress now. Again, I mean no offense; I thought that I was offering a great opportunity at a great price (I can offer and make a lot more conducting one of my own courses for the many military, law enforcement and private sector clients that I have), and I am doing what it takes to rectify any wrong that this situation has caused. Until Next Time ... Take Care and Stay Aware! |
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I planed to do something similar to this this year for the club I belong to.
I am an NRA instructor, CRSO............. We wanted to make some RSO's for our club. We wanted to do most of the class on line and then do a face to face with each student to make sure they "got it". After some conversation with the club we decided to get an official word from the NRA first. That word was NO I understand what you were trying to do. We do need more people out there spreading the word. Hell, All of my guys are instructors (just not NRA instructors), I was going to do the class for free, and the NRA still said NO. It is their name they can do with it as they see fit. Aaron |
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I planed to do something similar to this this year for the club I belong to. I am an NRA instructor, CRSO............. We wanted to make some RSO's for our club. We wanted to do most of the class on line and then do a face to face with each student to make sure they "got it". After some conversation with the club we decided to get an official word from the NRA first. That word was NO I understand what you were trying to do. We do need more people out there spreading the word. Hell, All of my guys are instructors (just not NRA instructors), I was going to do the class for free, and the NRA still said NO. It is their name they can do with it as they see fit. Aaron 100% agreed ... thanks for not launching a personal attack on me or my company. I went through a NRA counselor to facilitate this. The costs were mainly to cover the materials from NRA, shipping, targets, range fees, etc., for the practical application day. It was not about making money or paper whipping unqualified individuals. NRA says NO and I am working with Mr. Howard to make this right. |