Posted: 12/15/2013 9:11:12 PM EDT
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Jeez, after all the hubbub, I cannot find a single credible source for information on which laws passed and what their provisions are. I went to Calguns, CA DOJ, Google searched,... I was searching and reading for hours. There is plenty of chatter about what was proposed but nothing credible that's only about what passed.
Does anyone have a link to a credible, competent source describing the provisions of the new laws? Jeez, 60 people have viewed this thread and no one has a link to a competent source. |
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http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/firearms/pdf/cfl2013.pdf
AB 809 (Stats. 2011, ch. 745) - Requires Collection and Retention of Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) for Long Gun Transactions • Beginning January 1, 2014, requires DROS information regarding the sale or transfer of long guns (rifles and shotguns) to be collected, reported, and retained in the same manner as handgun DROS information. (Pen. Code, §§ 11106, 26905.) AB 1527 (Stats. 2012, ch. 700) – Carrying Firearms in Public • Allows authorized security guards and honorably retired peace officers to possess a firearm in a school zone. (Bus. & Prof. Code, § 626.92.) • Makes it a misdemeanor, subject to certain exceptions, to carry an unloaded rifle/shotgun outside of a motor vehicle in an incorporated city and would increase the punishment if the person also possesses ammunition capable of being dischardged from the firearm and the person is not in lawful possession of the firearm. (Pen. Code, § 26400.) • Provides specified exemptions allowing the open carrying of an unloaded handgun, including licensed hunters while training a hunting dog or while going to or from that training. (Pen. Code, §§ 26366.5, 26390, 26391.) AB 1559 (Stats. 2012, ch. 691) – DROS Fees • Beginning January 1, 2014, only one Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) fee will be charged for a single transaction (i.e., sale, lease, or transfer to one person) on the same date for any number of firearms (handguns and long guns). (Pen. Code, § 28240.) • Adds the importation of short-barreled rifles/shotguns to list of activities that may be considered good cause for issuance of a dangerous weapons permit by the Department of Justice. (Pen. Code, § 33300.) AB 1821 (Stats. 2012, ch. 117) – Security Guard Firearm Qualification Cards • Allows security guards to carry or use a firearm while on duty pending receipt of their permanent firearm qualification card from the Bureau of Security and Investigative Services if he or she has been approved and carries a hard copy printout of the approval and a valid picture identification. (Bus. & Prof. Code, § 7583.12.) AB 2221 (Stats. 2012, ch. 697) – Public Records • Adds prosecutors and public defenders to the list of persons whose firearm license applications are not fully required to be disclosed as public records. (Gov. Code, § 6254.) SB 1315 (Stats. 2012, ch. 214) – Imitation Firearms in Los Angeles County • Allows Los Angeles County and cities in the county of Los Angeles to enact ordinances and resolutions regarding spot marker guns. (Gov. Code, § 53071.5.) SB 1327 (Stats. 2012, ch. 763) – Internet Web Site for Business Licensing Information • Requires the Governor to establish an Internet Web site to provide licensing, permitting, and registration information necessary to start a business. (Gov. Code, § 12019.5.) SB 1367 (Stats. 2012, ch. 711) – Carrying a Handgun while Hunting Deer with Bow and Arrow • Allows authorized peace officers to carry a handgun while hunting deer with bow and arrow but deer shall not be taken with the firearm. (Fish & G. Code, § 4370.) SB 1433 (Stats. 2012, ch. 765) – Protective Orders • Requires the court-ordered record search on the proposed subject of a protective order, as defined in Family Code section 6218, to include a determination of whether the subject of the order has a registered firearm. (Fam. Code, § 6306.) • Requires peace officers serving a protective order, as defined in Family Code section 6218, that indicates the respondent possesses weapons or ammunition to request that the firearm be immediately surrendered. (Fam. Code, § 6389.) |
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http://smartgunlaws.org/tracking-state-gun-laws-2013-california-firearms-legislation/
AB 500 (Ammiano): Storage of Firearms in Homes with Prohibited Persons, Waiting Period Extension and Firearm Transfer Notifications AB 500 requires any gun owner residing with a person who is prohibited from owning firearms under state or federal law to either: 1) keep the firearm within a locked container, locked gun safe, locked trunk, locked with a locking device, or disabled by a firearm safety device; or 2) carry the firearm on his or her person. AB 500 also clarifies that the ten-day waiting period between the sale of a firearm and its transfer to the purchaser may be extended an additional 30 days if the Department of Justice (“DOJ”) is unable to determine the outcome of a mental health evaluation, unable to interpret arrest or criminal charge records, or unable to determine whether the purchaser is attempting to purchase a second handgun in a 30-day period in violation of California law, prior to the end of the waiting period. AB 48 (Skinner): Strengthening Large Capacity Ammunition Magazine Ban AB 48 prohibits the use of “conversion kits” to manufacture large capacity ammunition magazines. It also prohibits the purchase of large capacity ammunition magazines and tightens the definition of “manufacture” in the current law to clarify that manufacturing includes assembling the parts of a magazine. SB 683 (Block): Firearm Safety Certificate Under prior California law, “handgun safety certificates” issued by DOJ, which require the applicant to take and pass a written test on firearm safety, are required for the purchase of a handgun, but not for the purchase of a long gun. SB 683 expands the safety certificate requirement to apply to purchases of all firearms. This requirement does not apply to long guns owned by persons with valid hunting licenses. SB 140 (Leno/Steinberg): Funding Enforcement of Armed Prohibited Persons System SB 140 appropriates 24 million dollars to DOJ to address a backlog in its database for tracking persons prohibited from owning firearms. With more than 20,000 prohibited persons on the list and an additional 15 to 20 individuals added each day, neither DOJ nor local law enforcement had sufficient resources to address the existing backlog without this additional appropriation. AB 1131 (Skinner): Mental Health Related Prohibitions Prior law prohibited a person who communicates to a licensed psychotherapist a serious threat of physical violence against a reasonably identifiable victim or victims from possessing a firearm for six months following the psychotherapist’s reporting of the threat to local law enforcement. The bill changes this prohibition from six months to five years. AB 1131 also amends existing laws that require the reporting of mental health information to DOJ to clarify that these reports must made electronically. SB 127 (Gaines): Reporting of Mental Health Threats Prior law prohibited a person from possessing a firearm for a period of six months after communicating a serious threat of physical violence against a reasonably identifiable victim or victims to a licensed psychotherapist. SB 127 requires the licensed psychotherapist to report any such threat to local law enforcement within 24 hours in a manner prescribed by DOJ. The bill also requires the local law enforcement agency receiving the report to notify DOJ electronically, within 24 hours, in a manner prescribed by DOJ. AB 231 (Ting & Gomez): Strengthening Child Access Prevention Law and Keeping Firearms from Prohibited People In certain circumstances, California law imposes criminal liability on firearm owners who, through their negligence, enable children to access their weapons. Previously, that law only applied when the child carried the weapon off the premises or killed or injured someone. AB 231 expands that law to apply whenever a person negligently stores or leaves a loaded firearm on his or her premises in a location where the person knows, or reasonably should know, that a child is likely to gain access to the firearm, regardless of whether a child actually acquires control of the firearm. SB 363 (Wright): Storage of Firearms in Homes with Prohibited Persons SB 363 imposes criminal liability on gun owners who store their firearms in a place where they knew or reasonably should have known that a person prohibited from possessing guns under federal state law was likely to gain access to the firearm and the prohibited person does gain such access and injures or kills someone or carries the weapon into a public place. AB 170 (Bradford): Revising Permits for Assault Weapons and 50 Caliber Rifles Previous law required a person wishing to acquire an assault weapon or 50 caliber rifle to obtain a permit from DOJ. To ensure that any individual possessing these weapons has passed a background check, this bill changes the definition of “person” in the law so that it only includes individuals and not legal entities such as corporations or partnerships. AB 539 (Pan): Prohibited Persons Firearm Storage with Dealers This bill allows anyone who is prohibited from possessing a firearm to transfer any firearm in his or her possession to a licensed firearms dealer for storage during the duration of the prohibition. |
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Go to Calguns.net, they have a lot of info on the new laws for next year. ARFCOM is not the best place for this sort of thing... I've been there. They do not have the info, either. there's too much BS over there. I like the succinct treatment in the sticky threads, above. |
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Basically this is what you need to know:
Starting January 1st, 2014, there is a point-of-sale registration requirement for long guns and also for people moving to California (who will pay $19 per gun for registration). Also, there is only one DROS fee per transfer, not per firearm. Also, the import, transfer, etc. of large capacity magazine kits is banned on that date. SEC. 2.
Section 32311 is added to the Penal Code, to read: 32311. (a) Except as provided in Article 2 (commencing with Section 32400) of this chapter and in Chapter 1 (commencing with Section 17700) of Division 2 of Title 2, commencing January 1, 2014, any person in this state who knowingly manufactures or causes to be manufactured, imports into the state, keeps for sale, or offers or exposes for sale, or who gives, lends, buys, or receives any large capacity magazine conversion kit is punishable by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars ($1,000) or imprisonment in a county jail not to exceed six months, or by both that fine and imprisonment. This section does not apply to a fully assembled large-capacity magazine, which is governed by Section 32310. (b) For purposes of this section, a “large capacity magazine conversion kit” is a device or combination of parts of a fully functioning large-capacity magazine, including, but not limited to, the body, spring, follower, and floor plate or end plate, capable of converting an ammunition feeding device into a large-capacity magazine. Starting January 1st, 2015, you will need a firearm safety certificate to acquire any firearm, not just handguns. The wording of AB48 is pretty obscure and at first glance it appears to ban 11+ magazines, but it doesn't. Also as you can see there is a bunch of other legislation which applies to specific situations but what I've just posted is what 95% of California gun owners need to know. |
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So it should be safe to say that if I, as a California resident, get stationed out of state, I will be able to bring back all my toys I had acquired previously as a CA resident, correct? Example= AK purchased in CA in 1997 and a bunch of magazines, I would be able to bring said property with me upon returning to my home state of CA after completing a tour in another state. The magazines for certain - I'm not a commie rifle shooter  but a semi-automatic AK not on the list would require the same sort of adaptations like an AR wouldn't it?
A non-pistol grip or a detachable magazine (bullet button) would it not? I bought a bunch (BUNCH) of pre-ban magazines here back in the 1990's and they remain completely legal and I've upgraded the $4-$6 Viet Nam era USGI magazines to Magpul and Lancer magazines. |
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Quoted: The magazines for certain - I'm not a commie rifle shooter but a semi-automatic AK not on the list would require the same sort of adaptations like an AR wouldn't it?A non-pistol grip or a detachable magazine (bullet button) would it not? I bought a bunch (BUNCH) of pre-ban magazines here back in the 1990's and they remain completely legal and I've upgraded the $4-$6 Viet Nam era USGI magazines to Magpul and Lancer magazines. Quoted: Quoted: So it should be safe to say that if I, as a California resident, get stationed out of state, I will be able to bring back all my toys I had acquired previously as a CA resident, correct? Example= AK purchased in CA in 1997 and a bunch of magazines, I would be able to bring said property with me upon returning to my home state of CA after completing a tour in another state. The magazines for certain - I'm not a commie rifle shooter but a semi-automatic AK not on the list would require the same sort of adaptations like an AR wouldn't it?A non-pistol grip or a detachable magazine (bullet button) would it not? I bought a bunch (BUNCH) of pre-ban magazines here back in the 1990's and they remain completely legal and I've upgraded the $4-$6 Viet Nam era USGI magazines to Magpul and Lancer magazines. The weapon would be a registered AW.
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The weapon would be a registered AW. Ah. How exactly would the state know it left and returned? Do you have to re-register it from time-to-time? I shipped my stuff out-of-state rather than register. In retrospect I should have shipped out seven of my old ARs and registered one as I was without an AR for a couple of years until the off-list lowers became available. Now I'm busy making 80% lowers for fun. |
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Quoted: You still at March? I wouldn't mind taking a GS job there if the pay was acceptable. Yes. www.usajobs.com If you have your masters you can apply for a GS-12 (~$80K a year) or your PHD a GS-13 ((~$100K). As a veteran you're got credit equal to your bachelor's and can compete for a GS-11. As a disabled vet you get credit equal to a masters and can compete for a GS-12. If you want help writing your resume for a federal job I will be glad to help. I've written about 10-12 and the vets (who were qualified) got their job. As an FC you're going to have difficulty walking into equal GS position but there are electronics positions in some places but you're competing with the ETs for radar system managers. Locally the US Customs has a large group of tech and operators running the southern border surveillance command. |
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So it should be safe to say that if I, as a California resident, get stationed out of state, I will be able to bring back all my toys I had acquired previously as a CA resident, correct? Example= AK purchased in CA in 1997 and a bunch of magazines, I would be able to bring said property with me upon returning to my home state of CA after completing a tour in another state. Well for the magazines you would need a convincing explanation that you were temporarily out-of-State and are still a resident of California, for the AK it would need to have been registered as well. If it wasn't registered then you're already illegally in possession of it. |
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Quoted:Well for the magazines you would need a convincing explanation that you were temporarily out-of-State and are still a resident of California, for the AK it would need to have been registered as well. If it wasn't registered then you're already illegally in possession of it. He could show his official State of California resident card and his California issued travel permit couldn't he? 
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I bought a bunch (BUNCH) of pre-ban magazines here back in the 1990's and they remain completely legal and I've upgraded the $4-$6 Viet Nam era USGI magazines to Magpul and Lancer magazines. Just thinking about this but they're pretty much worthless now because there's no way of transferring them in-State as-is and out-of-State they wouldn't be worth more than what you paid. That's the effect of banning the parts kits. Okay yes if you've got a gun they fit into, great, but the only way I can see of legally transferring them is to permanently alter them to 10-round capacity. |
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Ah. How exactly would the state know it left and returned? AW registration is automatically updated from driver's license info. CA and other states have DL information sharing. so DOJ might know, or be able to find out if they were interested, that the registrant was out-of-state. I do not know for sure, but that is one possibility. however, I am not sure that it matters that the RAW was out-of-state for a while. if the OP always intended to return to CA, and did not establish residency elsewhere, then it may be no different than a long vacation. maybe. |
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AB 1559 (Stats. 2012, ch. 691) – DROS Fees
• Beginning January 1, 2014, only one Dealer’s Record of Sale (DROS) fee will be charged for a single transaction (i.e., sale, lease, or transfer to one person) on the same date for any number of firearms (handguns and long guns). (Pen. Code, § 28240.) Haven't we always been able to buy multiple long guns with one DROS fee? I guess now you could DROS a long gun and a hand gun at the same time for one fee? Can't do multiple handguns due to one handgun every 30 days though right? |