Posted: 4/12/2012 2:21:01 AM EDT
... just landed  S&B 12.5-50x56 PM II/P It's, err, massive but optical and build quality very nice indeed  As far as Mrs Burnside is concerned, it cost £500 - that's my story and I'm sticking to it
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Lot of scope for a .22.  Duh, REALLY  But the nice man in the shop told me it would be perfect for indoor range use on the .22  Definatly a 20yd special you have there, as a favour I will swap it for my Walther 4x32 scope and then you can do long range out to 100yds Seriously what reticle did you get, I have the 5-25x56 PMII P4 Fine reticle |
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Lot of scope for a .22. Duh, REALLY But the nice man in the shop told me it would be perfect for indoor range use on the .22 Definatly a 20yd special you have there, as a favour I will swap it for my Walther 4x32 scope and then you can do long range out to 100yds Seriously what reticle did you get, I have the 5-25x56 PMII P4 Fine reticle P3 mildot with 1/4 cm clicks quarter cm ? 
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Lot of scope for a .22. Duh, REALLY But the nice man in the shop told me it would be perfect for indoor range use on the .22 Definatly a 20yd special you have there, as a favour I will swap it for my Walther 4x32 scope and then you can do long range out to 100yds Seriously what reticle did you get, I have the 5-25x56 PMII P4 Fine reticle P3 mildot with 1/4 cm clicks quarter cm ?
Yes. Why the ?I wonder....
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Lot of scope for a .22. Duh, REALLY But the nice man in the shop told me it would be perfect for indoor range use on the .22 Definatly a 20yd special you have there, as a favour I will swap it for my Walther 4x32 scope and then you can do long range out to 100yds Seriously what reticle did you get, I have the 5-25x56 PMII P4 Fine reticle P3 mildot with 1/4 cm clicks quarter cm ?
Yes. Why the ?I wonder.... No need to be cryptic, help me out here! No crypticism at all. Just asking if you are sure they are quarter cm ? |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lot of scope for a .22. Duh, REALLY But the nice man in the shop told me it would be perfect for indoor range use on the .22 Definatly a 20yd special you have there, as a favour I will swap it for my Walther 4x32 scope and then you can do long range out to 100yds Seriously what reticle did you get, I have the 5-25x56 PMII P4 Fine reticle P3 mildot with 1/4 cm clicks quarter cm ? Yes. Why the ?I wonder.... No need to be cryptic, help me out here! No crypticism at all. Just asking if you are sure they are quarter cm ? Sorry, crypticism comment not aimed at you! It's definitely qtr cm, as advertised and as per the turret caps.
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Lot of scope for a .22. Duh, REALLY But the nice man in the shop told me it would be perfect for indoor range use on the .22 Definatly a 20yd special you have there, as a favour I will swap it for my Walther 4x32 scope and then you can do long range out to 100yds Seriously what reticle did you get, I have the 5-25x56 PMII P4 Fine reticle P3 mildot with 1/4 cm clicks quarter cm ?
Yes. Why the ?I wonder.... No need to be cryptic, help me out here! No crypticism at all. Just asking if you are sure they are quarter cm ? Sorry, crypticism comment not aimed at you! It's definitely qtr cm, as advertised and as per the turret caps. Far enough then but thats one hell of a rarity. You will need a very sloped rail even at 600 yards with those click values. I have only ever seen them in quarter moa or .1 milrad |
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Quoted: Was planning on 20 moa - I'd best check the numbers. The scope has 175cm of adjustment from what I've gathered?Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lot of scope for a .22. Duh, REALLY But the nice man in the shop told me it would be perfect for indoor range use on the .22 Definatly a 20yd special you have there, as a favour I will swap it for my Walther 4x32 scope and then you can do long range out to 100yds Seriously what reticle did you get, I have the 5-25x56 PMII P4 Fine reticle P3 mildot with 1/4 cm clicks quarter cm ? Yes. Why the ?I wonder.... No need to be cryptic, help me out here! No crypticism at all. Just asking if you are sure they are quarter cm ? Sorry, crypticism comment not aimed at you! It's definitely qtr cm, as advertised and as per the turret caps. Far enough then but thats one hell of a rarity. You will need a very sloped rail even at 600 yards with those click values. I have only ever seen them in quarter moa or .1 milrad Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it & need it |
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Lot of scope for a .22. Duh, REALLY But the nice man in the shop told me it would be perfect for indoor range use on the .22 Definatly a 20yd special you have there, as a favour I will swap it for my Walther 4x32 scope and then you can do long range out to 100yds Seriously what reticle did you get, I have the 5-25x56 PMII P4 Fine reticle P3 mildot with 1/4 cm clicks quarter cm ?
Yes. Why the ?I wonder.... No need to be cryptic, help me out here! No crypticism at all. Just asking if you are sure they are quarter cm ? Sorry, crypticism comment not aimed at you! It's definitely qtr cm, as advertised and as per the turret caps. Far enough then but thats one hell of a rarity. You will need a very sloped rail even at 600 yards with those click values. I have only ever seen them in quarter moa or .1 milrad Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it & need it
500 quid, can you send me a link .
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Quoted: Quoted: That really is a very fine adjustment! *edit* Hmm, actually not that different to 1/8", but my finest adjustment scope is 1/4". ....which is still too much For my understanding, are you saying 1/4 MOA is too fine an adjustment for a long range scope? |
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That really is a very fine adjustment! *edit* Hmm, actually not that different to 1/8", but my finest adjustment scope is 1/4". ....which is still too much For my understanding, are you saying 1/4 MOA is too fine an adjustment for a long range scope? 1/2min's more than enough for most peoples abilities |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That really is a very fine adjustment! *edit* Hmm, actually not that different to 1/8", but my finest adjustment scope is 1/4". ....which is still too much For my understanding, are you saying 1/4 MOA is too fine an adjustment for a long range scope? 1/2min's more than enough for most peoples abilities Better to have too much than too little I suppose, although in this case it will probably mean a lot of extra dialling over the 1cm version.
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That really is a very fine adjustment! *edit* Hmm, actually not that different to 1/8", but my finest adjustment scope is 1/4". ....which is still too much For my understanding, are you saying 1/4 MOA is too fine an adjustment for a long range scope? 1/2min's more than enough for most peoples abilities Better to have too much than too little I suppose, although in this case it will probably mean a lot of extra dialling over the 1cm version.
It's a marketing ploy directed at those that don't know any better. I defy anyone to be able to subtend that kind of accuracy adjustment. Small clicks=small ratchet notches=more wear. Small clicks=more adjustment+small ratchet notches=more wear |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That really is a very fine adjustment! *edit* Hmm, actually not that different to 1/8", but my finest adjustment scope is 1/4". ....which is still too much For my understanding, are you saying 1/4 MOA is too fine an adjustment for a long range scope? 1/2min's more than enough for most peoples abilities Better to have too much than too little I suppose, although in this case it will probably mean a lot of extra dialling over the 1cm version. It's a marketing ploy directed at those that don't know any better. I defy anyone to be able to subtend that kind of accuracy adjustment. Small clicks=small ratchet notches=more wear. Small clicks=more adjustment+small ratchet notches=more wear That may well be true, although I didn't seek out 1/4cm, I would have been quite happy with 1cm. They are hard to find new at the moment. As for the accuracy adjustment, I'd be interested in some opinion from competition BR shooters. Point taken on the extra wear, I'll be sure to get mine in for the free [within] 10 year service if I decide to keep it that long |
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S&B scopes come with a very long guarantee so don't worry about wearing it out making all those fine adjustments. And what about when you don't notice the wear and continue dialing away with your tiny clicks, unknowing hat your minute adjustments have become erratic and thinking it was the wind, ammo etc |
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Mine's fine, its not broke and works well. What made you a scope expert all of a sudden? I know everything. Besides its bound to wear more, especially where used over the same ranges. I've seen plenty of ratchet and feed screw mechanisms in my time in engineering. I'm sure yours is fine, you've probably only used it once 
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My only concern was the thickness of the lines on the P3 reticle obscuring too much of the target at 1000 yds. I've struggled to find it officially documented, but I think the lines are 0.06 mil so 0.6cm @ 100m, so effectively 6cm @ 1000m (1093 yds) assuming FFP? Anyone know if this correct and also how it compares to the P4F? |
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Bit more than that Smart Arse, and it did kick your ass last year, no my eyes are shot excuses either cos you have a .260AI don't you. Seen a few engineering mechanisms and 'tools' in my time too. Actually my .260 is still resting. I used the AR last year |
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My only concern was the thickness of the lines on the P3 reticle obscuring too much of the target at 1000 yds. I've struggled to find it officially documented, but I think the lines are 0.06 mil so 0.6cm @ 100m, so effectively 6cm @ 1000m (1093 yds) assuming FFP? Anyone know if this correct and also how it compares to the P4F? What gun is it going on? |
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Quoted: Quoted: My only concern was the thickness of the lines on the P3 reticle obscuring too much of the target at 1000 yds. I've struggled to find it officially documented, but I think the lines are 0.06 mil so 0.6cm @ 100m, so effectively 6cm @ 1000m (1093 yds) assuming FFP? Anyone know if this correct and also how it compares to the P4F? What gun is it going on? 6.5x47, currently under construction |
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Quoted: My only concern was the thickness of the lines on the P3 reticle obscuring too much of the target at 1000 yds. I've struggled to find it officially documented, but I think the lines are 0.06 mil so 0.6cm @ 100m, so effectively 6cm @ 1000m (1093 yds) assuming FFP? Anyone know if this correct and also how it compares to the P4F? Just for you, S&B reticule subtensions https://rapidshare.com/files/104822082/sub-bedienungsanl-pmii-dual_use.pdf click on the green 'download' button. I've just created a rapidshare account (thanks 4Islander for the idea!) let me know if it don't work. |
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Those adjustments are pretty out there. I'm almost tempted to venture that it's a misprint mismatch between "1/4 MOA" and "0.1MIL."
Or it could be air rifle field target influence (and poor specifiying). Or it could be for some mega long range application. Still rubbish though. Who and what can shoot within 2.5cm at 1000m. To see any benefit you'd need to be holding 0.1MIL (0.3375MOA) groups at about 3000m.
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Thanks, works just fine. Looks like the lines are 0.7cm @ 100m, so does this mean they will obscure 7cm of a target at 1000m ? This seems logical to me but I have a small devil on my shoulder telling me I'm wrong & a stupid twat So the reticle sub tension is greater than the click adjustment. 3 times greater!!! Ok
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Quoted: Quoted: Thanks, works just fine. Looks like the lines are 0.7cm @ 100m, so does this mean they will obscure 7cm of a target at 1000m ? This seems logical to me but I have a small devil on my shoulder telling me I'm wrong & a stupid twat So the reticle sub tension is greater than the click adjustment. 3 times greater!!! Ok So it would seem Just checked on the P4F - the lines are 0.35cm 0.18cm / 100m ETA: Looks like the 'L' versions are different, my bad  As already mentioned, the clicks are overly fine, but it is easy enough to dial a full cm if required. Does seem like a bit of a strange combination all things considered  |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Those adjustments are pretty out there. I'm almost tempted to venture that it's a misprint mismatch between "1/4 MOA" and "0.1MIL." Stranger things have happened. I'm sure, just had a vision of a load of German opticians scratching heads whilst one of them slopes off, whistling innocently. Good laugh for a Friday afternoon |
