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10/29/2007 6:32:48 AM EDT
OK you experienced and confident shooters in Houston, the new guy is asking for help. I'm comfortable shooting, I know all the rules and live by them. I can hit a barn door but I'm ready to get better. I'm new enough that I haven't dug into any bad habits and I think I shoud shoot with someone who know what they are doing before I continue...

I guess I'm asking for some free training. Casual training. I'm willing to bet that one of you is just looking for an excuse to pass on your wealth of knowledge and ability. My dad and I have never shot a round together, so I'm trying to teach myself, but I'm not getting any better and I can't afford to pay for rounds and classes and range fees and etc etc right now.

It's the little things that have me perplexed right now. For example, I went shooting with two of my rifles last weekend. With one, I was shooting 2.5 to 3 inch groups (without sand bags or a bipod, but resting the rifle on my arm on a fence post). from 50 yards through an Aimpoint Comp M4 (no magnification). I didn't feel bad about that, but I know I can do better. With my other rifle (same ammo), I was all over the place! I was lucky to put one round within 4 inches of the other. It would have been nice to have someone shooting with me to take a look and chime in. I've probably only fired 500 rounds my entire life, but I know I should be better than that. Or maybe it's the rifle? Shoot, I don't know because I have no prior experience or frame of reference.

Long story short, I'm looking for a casual (and preferrably cheap) shooting environment with someone willing to lend a hand to the new guy.
10/29/2007 7:46:07 AM EDT
[#1]


 What kind of rifles?

 If you shoot decent on one and not other (assuming same rifle and same shooting technique), then most likely the rifle....mount and/or scope is not tight enough, scope/red dot internal mechanism is loose/broken....

 More info from the rifles to deduct the problem you're having.
10/29/2007 7:46:52 AM EDT
[#2]
Where are you?
10/29/2007 7:53:45 AM EDT
[#3]
I live in Sugar Land and work down town

The rifles in question are these:





POF up top and YHM ZM LR300 below... The 14.5 inch POF was way more accurate than the 16.1 inch LR300 at least at 50 yards. I was using 55 grain FMJ black hills new ammo.  
10/29/2007 8:09:07 AM EDT
[#4]

 Have your Aimpoint on the 16.1 and shoot.  If you shoot good, then either the mount or the optic is the problem.
 If still way off, then probably the rifle, itself.
10/29/2007 8:51:31 AM EDT
[#5]
Will do. Makes sense to me...

As that was just an example though, I'm still looking for a black-rifle mentor to shoot with... Till then, I'll be gradually saving money and buying rounds/gear until I can do the MAST class. I may try to go out to Impact Zone with the Houston group too, but I don't want to be the "questions all the time" guy.
10/29/2007 9:27:13 AM EDT
[#6]
POF up top and YHM ZM LR300 below... The 14.5 inch POF was way more accurate than the 16.1 inch LR300 at least at 50 yards. I was using 55 grain FMJ black hills new ammo.


What are the twist rates in both of your rifles??

I know that my Colt HBAR 20" barrel with a 1 in 7 twist won't hit a barn door using 55 grain ammo. I have to use 62 grain or heavier bullets with the Colt. I'm willing to bet this may be the problem.
10/29/2007 10:12:47 AM EDT
[#7]
The LR300 is 1 in 9" and the POF is 1 in 7"

You would think the 1 in 9 would be better for a 55 grain round..
10/29/2007 4:40:50 PM EDT
[#8]
Sounds like optics /mounting, not rifle. Maybe check for tight mounting knobs, zero and go from there.

My Hbar Colt 1/7 20" shoots 55gr fine, and 62gr better.