Posted: 12/1/2008 4:27:49 AM EDT
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I'm thinking of swapping a redundant sound mod slot for a section 1 shotgun. Assuming I'm a member of a relevant club (e.g. UKPSA) then this should be okay I assume ? In the past I've one-for-one all sorts of guns into different guns, but never a moderator into a gun. My assumption is a slot is a slot.
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I'm thinking of swapping a redundant sound mod slot for a section 1 shotgun. Assuming I'm a member of a relevant club (e.g. UKPSA) then this should be okay I assume ? In the past I've one-for-one all sorts of guns into different guns, but never a moderator into a gun. My assumption is a slot is a slot. They have got very strict on that in Warwickshire - you can no longer swap a moderator variation for a firearm one. |
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I'm thinking of swapping a redundant sound mod slot for a section 1 shotgun. Assuming I'm a member of a relevant club (e.g. UKPSA) then this should be okay I assume ? In the past I've one-for-one all sorts of guns into different guns, but never a moderator into a gun. My assumption is a slot is a slot. They have got very strict on that in Warwickshire - you can no longer swap a moderator variation for a firearm one. That doesn't make much sense. Sussex don't mind what you do a 1-for-1 for, as long as one is removed, a replacement can be added... |
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I'm thinking of swapping a redundant sound mod slot for a section 1 shotgun. Assuming I'm a member of a relevant club (e.g. UKPSA) then this should be okay I assume ? In the past I've one-for-one all sorts of guns into different guns, but never a moderator into a gun. My assumption is a slot is a slot. They have got very strict on that in Warwickshire - you can no longer swap a moderator variation for a firearm one. That doesn't make much sense. Sussex don't mind what you do a 1-for-1 for, as long as one is removed, a replacement can be added... Since when has it ever had to make sense 
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I'm thinking of swapping a redundant sound mod slot for a section 1 shotgun. Assuming I'm a member of a relevant club (e.g. UKPSA) then this should be okay I assume ? In the past I've one-for-one all sorts of guns into different guns, but never a moderator into a gun. My assumption is a slot is a slot. They have got very strict on that in Warwickshire - you can no longer swap a moderator variation for a firearm one. That doesn't make much sense. Sussex don't mind what you do a 1-for-1 for, as long as one is removed, a replacement can be added... Since when has it ever had to make sense
Never has before.... I can't see they can defend the position if someone decided to challenge it - they make you pay for a variation to add a moderator, the same as for anything else... |
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As I understand it - the slots are for firearms or firearm components. The total is the total, regardles of what each item is.
If they decline to allow you to swap a Mod slot for a firearm one - ask them which part of the Firearms Act prohibits this. If they mention Home Office guidance or "policy" - again ask for which part they refer to as I can find nothing in either legislation nor Home Office Guidence for Police which would indicate a problem. As to demonstrating good reason to possess a sound moderator - I got in right at the start when it comes to moderating full bore firearms. At that time Hertfordshire were against them - the FEO actually claimed they were the "tools of the assassin". When I challenged this, I was then told that its impossible to use a sound mod on a full bore as one cannot moderate a supersonic round. I then pointed out that if the item does not diminish the sound then surely its not a moderator and thus not an FAC item ? They replied, "well it only partially works". I pointed out "health and safety". I have partial hearing loss. I pointed out that its not practical to wear ear defenders when hunting. And that I wanted to reduce the noise as much as possible on ranges. They took advice from the Home Office - they were told that if they refused me a sound mod, and my hearing got worse, I could sue them ! Since then, I have never had a request for a mod turned down. One of the few times the dreaded "Health and Safety" has worked in my favour. |
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I've swapped a mod slot for a firearm....no problem.
A slot, be it for a specified component (i.e Barrel, Mod, action or bolt) or a firearm are all payed for and treated the same way on application (subject to storage space) and in the absence a defining category in law I can't see why it would be treated differently. If a component is treated different to a firearm by your FLA then ask then on what basis they have come to that conclusion. After all, they are all lumped together under the same section on a firearm certificate. If mods are not treated differently in the legislative framework then you would be justified in challenging any decision made. The law is so complicated that it's easy to interpret the wording incorrectly and sometimes challenging a decision in a reasonable and justified manner can lead to a better regulatory approach. As long as you have somwehere appropriate to use the firearm in question then a change in the description of the item in question should be a free variation as I understand it. |
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It shouldn't be a problem as long as you can safely store the extra firearm.
Mod slots don't count towards your storage limits so you can have 5 rifles (for example) and a moderator in a 5-gun cabinet but you'll not then be able to swap the mod for a longarm until you increase the storage capacity. |
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It seems that here in Thames Valley a "one-for-one" variation is only free if you're replacing a firearm with another of the same calibre and type. Anything other than that and you have to pay.
I've got two section 1 shotties on my ticket and when I applied for them I was asked what I wanted them for. I specifically told them that it was not for PSG, I was not a UKPSA member and I had no intention of joining. (This is not because I have a problem with PSG and its governing body, it's just that I can't commit the time to yet another shooting sport.) I told my FEO I just wanted to participate in the NRA solid slug matches held at Bisley gallery rifle events and I would need a pump and a semi-auto to enter both classes of the BDMP Embassy Cup. Hey Presto - job done! |
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What's all this UKPSA bollox for a Sec 1 shotty…[>:/] Again another "interpretation" of Home office guidence. Many authorities will try to decline a variation for section one shotgun unless applicant is a member of UKPSA. Though as has been said - they are not the only ones shooting with section one shotguns - I too have one and only use it for the slug events at the Action Gallery events. |
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What's all this UKPSA bollox for a Sec 1 shotty…[>:/] Again another "interpretation" of Home office guidence. Many authorities will try to decline a variation for section one shotgun unless applicant is a member of UKPSA. Though as has been said - they are not the only ones shooting with section one shotguns - I too have one and only use it for the slug events at the Action Gallery events. Well I got sec 1 blunderbuss, and I'm not even a member of a club. See it's all a load of bollocks really |
