Posted: 11/19/2009 4:41:34 PM EDT
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I was at the gun shop today and they showed me a video of people in Ca open carrying .
Pistol on one hip ammo on the other, there was even a cop talking to them and all he did was check the weapon to make sure it wasn't loaded. These guys are flexing their 2nd amendment right and having open carry outings. |
| Yup I saw this on the news while Im in San Francisco right now. it is happening. Cops cant do nothing about it and media is portraying it in a good limelight. Not saying anything negative about it at all in light of all the recent rise in random acts of violence and robberies in the San Francisco Bay Area lately. But walking around with an empty pistol is more of a feel good thing than anything else. You cannot have a magazine on your body so if something happened Im not sure that person can do anything but run and hide. It is a step in the right direction anyways in terms of 2nd Amendment and people starting to accept possibility of CCWs and concealed carry in the future of CA |
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Yup I saw this on the news while Im in San Francisco right now. it is happening. Cops cant do nothing about it and media is portraying it in a good limelight. Not saying anything negative about it at all in light of all the recent rise in random acts of violence and robberies in the San Francisco Bay Area lately. But walking around with an empty pistol is more of a feel good thing than anything else. You cannot have a magazine on your body so if something happened Im not sure that person can do anything but run and hide. It is a step in the right direction anyways in terms of 2nd Amendment and people starting to accept possibility of CCWs and concealed carry in the future of CA the video i saw was a news video and they did have loaded mags on them, i didn't think you could have the ammo and weapon but they were getting away with it. By the way im in Davis and if I did that here the libtarts would have a fit. |
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I open carry. Go here. http://www.californiaopencarry.org/ Watch these videos.  |
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HERE IS THE VIDEO.
A recent story regarding an "open carry" movement in California (of all places) gives a very telling glimpse into the mentality of the general public, and the state mercenaries ("police"). Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYWz7BEEg1k The actual substance of the story would be laughably mundane if people weren't so indoctrinated. The "story" was: "Some people are carrying firearms, and not doing bad stuff with them, and they're allowed to!" How brain-washed does a populace have to be for that to be "news"? What will the headline say the next day? "Man with axe chops up firewood!; no charges filed." Don't get me wrong. I'm glad the open-carry folk are bringing the issue up; it's just pathetic that the country has sunk so low (with California in the lead) that it's even necessary. But what is interesting about the story is the mentality of the general public, and the cops, in California. For example, the news story plays a clip of what I assume was a 911 call, where someone reports a guy (brace yourself, this is scary) sitting around a Starbucks wearing a firearm. Oh, the horror! (The caller, demonstrating either profound ignorance of firearms, or her x-ray vision superpowers, says the semi-auto handgun "appears to be loaded.") I admit, I was pleasantly surprised to learn that carrying a firearm is still "legal" (allowed by tyrants) in California as long as the firearm is unloaded, and in plain view. (You can also carry clips and ammo, but they can't be in or attached to the gun.) The California control freaks also require those carrying firearms to let state mercenaries inspect their firearms at random, without any "probable cause," to make sure they're not loaded. (Fourth Amendment? What's that?) But again, the "legalities" are less interesting than the mentality displayed in the report. For example, the news narrator explains that nothing brings a cop faster than a report of "a man with a gun." Oh, horrors! Lock up the women and children! Wait a second ... a cop is a "man with a gun"! Is there some reason, when you see one guy with a gun, that you really need to bring over a second one? Of course, the terror of "a man with a gun" does not, in the minds of the peasantry, include a government mercenary with a gun. What actually scares the peasantry is "a man with a gun who isn't pretending to be 'authority'." But consider how weird that is. What it boils down to is this: "Oh my gosh, there's a guy over there with a gun, and he doesn't think he has the right to rule me!!" Um, isn't that a good thing? Most Americans have no idea what they should and shouldn't be scared of. I've seen quite a few people carrying firearms in my lifetime. The only ones who ever invaded my home were "police." The only ones who ever stole my stuff were "police." The only ones who ever took me hostage were "police." And frankly, the only ones whose firearms ever worried me were the "police"––the robots trained to do the bidding of the politicians, forcibly carrying out whatever arbitrary commands the government crooks might decide to make up. If I heard someone say, "there's a man with a gun," my immediate question would be, "And what's he doing with it?" (Well, my first though might be, "You mean a man with a gun other than me?") If I heard about "a man with a chain-saw," or "a man with a crowbar," I wouldn't automatically assume they were about to go on a killing spree. So why would anyone assume that of a man with a gun? The simple answer is: indoctrination. Near the end of the "news" report, a propaganda specialist ("spokesman") for the California mercenaries ("police"), while admitting that people have a "legal right" (never mind that that is an oxymoron) to carry unloaded firearms openly, said he doesn't see what it adds to society. Hey, what's that thing on his hip? Golly gee, it's a firearm! I wonder what he thinks that "adds to society." In short, most state mercenaries today, having devolved deeply into the tyrannical mindset, think they should always outgun the general populace. From their perspective, it's good for them to always have the ability to kill people, but it's bad for you to have that ability. (Excuse me, officer, your fascism is showing.) How sad that the public has been trained to fear those people who have taken on the responsibility to protect themselves and others from the predators of the world. And no, I'm not talking about "law enforcers," who pretend to be protectors, but are in reality the hired thugs of the biggest gang of predators around. I was happy, and somewhat surprised, that the news report included a comment from one of the "open carry" advocates, correctly pointing out that the state mercenaries (my word, not his), according to the Supreme Court, have no obligation to protect anyone. That being the case, if I see a guy in a Starbucks with a gun, I'm sitting in his general vicinity. Because, if some bad guy is unlucky enough to pick that time and place to play tough guy, I and the other "man with a gun" will have him outnumbered. |
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I open carry. Go here. http://www.californiaopencarry.org/ Watch these videos.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1szBxnAEsMw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okTnH37vC_Y
OPEN CARRY IS LEGAL IN YOUR VEHICLE! So you might ask, "How do I legally carry firearms in my car, truck or motor home?" First, under California law the firearm must be unloaded and the legal definition of a loaded firearm depends upon the circumstances. Under most circumstances, Penal Code §12025(g) applies and a firearm is considered loaded when there is a live round of ammunition " . . . in, or attached in any manner to, the firearm, including, but not limited to, in the firing chamber, magazine, or clip thereof attached to the firearm . . . " For example, a semi-automatic handgun with an empty firing chamber and a loaded magazine inserted in the magazine well is considered loaded. Second, in addition to being unloaded, the Penal Code provides additional requirements for the legal transportation of handguns in motor vehicles. Handguns must either be kept in plain sight (1) locked in the vehicle's trunk, or in a locked container in the vehicle other than the utility or glove compartment. “Locked container” means a secure container that is fully enclosed and locked by a padlock, key lock, combination lock, or similar locking device. Note: these additional requirements also apply to the transportation of registered "Assault Weapons". "Utility compartment" is not defined in the Penal Code; a handgun should not be transported in the center console (even if locked) or in the storage area present behind the rear seat in most "hatchback" type automobiles. Due to the uncertainty in current California law, I also advise people against the use of the various storage compartments found in today's popular sport utility vehicles. If you drive a pickup truck, should you put an unloaded handgun in a locked, cross-bed toolbox, bolted to the bed behind the cab? As you can see this is a "gray" area, so to be cautious, I advise against this. While most of us would consider a cross-bed toolbox to be the functional equivalent of a vehicle's trunk, remember the Penal Code does provide an exception for vehicle trunks, yet it specifically prohibits the use of, and does not define, a "utility" compartment. At this point many of you are probably thinking, "My vehicle doesn't have a trunk, so where do I put my unloaded handgun?" I advise that you use a locking hard case. Locking hard cases for handguns are available at reasonable cost and when used correctly, (i.e. when the handgun is unloaded and the case is locked) are the best method to ensure compliance with California law. Even if your vehicle does have a trunk, I still recommend the use of a locked hard case. When driving a motor home, it is treated as a motor vehicle and you must transport your firearms as I have outlined above. However, when you are camping in your motor home it may be treated as a residence. The Penal Code prohibition against carrying a loaded firearm provides an exception for a temporary residence or campsite. Unfortunately, the terms “temporary residence” or “campsite”, are not defined, so this is another "gray" area. If you have entered an established campground and hooked up, this should qualify as a temporary residence or campsite, however, if you have merely pulled into a highway rest stop to sleep for a few hours, this is not likely to qualify. If you are prosecuted for having a loaded firearm in your motor home, the issue of whether you were at a temporary residence or campsite would be a "question of fact" to be decided by a jury. One final word of caution regarding firearms in motor homes - public campgrounds may have additional legal restrictions applicable to firearms. The Penal Code does contain language providing exceptions to the prohibitions against the concealed carry of unloaded handguns for licensed hunters and fishermen, as well as certain target range shooters, while engaged in, or going to or from, such activities. However, I recommend that you not rely upon this language. The continued legal validity of these exceptions may be questionable, and even if ruled valid, it might be very difficult or impossible to prove in court, that you fell within the exception. The only departure I will make from this discussion of California law is to mention that if you meet certain requirements under Federal law, you may legally transport a firearm by motor vehicle during interstate travel despite state or local laws to the contrary (2). You may transport the firearm for any lawful purpose from a place where you may legally possess and carry it, to any other place where you may legally possess and carry it. In addition, the firearm must be unloaded and neither the firearm nor any ammunition can be readily or directly accessible from the passenger compartment. If the vehicle does not have a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm or ammunition must be in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console. |
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Yup I saw this on the news while Im in San Francisco right now. it is happening. Cops cant do nothing about it and media is portraying it in a good limelight. Not saying anything negative about it at all in light of all the recent rise in random acts of violence and robberies in the San Francisco Bay Area lately. But walking around with an empty pistol is more of a feel good thing than anything else. You cannot have a magazine on your body so if something happened Im not sure that person can do anything but run and hide. It is a step in the right direction anyways in terms of 2nd Amendment and people starting to accept possibility of CCWs and concealed carry in the future of CA Wrong. Your weapon cannot be loaded - as defined by having a round in the chamber, loaded magazine in the magwell, or ammunition otherwise attached to the firearm. |
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Interesting I might try open carry here and see where it leads. Be smart and be careful. A very well known and experienced SoCal open carrier was just found guilty of being within a school zone. He didn't know he was in a school zone, but was on private property so wasn't worried about it. Cops were called and came and checked him out. They left and a week or so later he received a summons for charges against him. At trial, Judge ruled private property wasn't private property because it was open to the public (laundromat) and he was found guilty and is awaiting sentencing. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=238828 I suggest going to Calguns.net and look at some of the open carry threads in the 2A forum. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=71 |
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Yup I saw this on the news while Im in San Francisco right now. it is happening. Cops cant do nothing about it and media is portraying it in a good limelight. Not saying anything negative about it at all in light of all the recent rise in random acts of violence and robberies in the San Francisco Bay Area lately. But walking around with an empty pistol is more of a feel good thing than anything else. You cannot have a magazine on your body so if something happened Im not sure that person can do anything but run and hide. It is a step in the right direction anyways in terms of 2nd Amendment and people starting to accept possibility of CCWs and concealed carry in the future of CA You can however carry speed loaders or magazines loaded on your person. I can seat a magazine into my 1911 and rack the slide in about two to three seconds, but I'm slow and old. I've never had to pull my weapon from concealed carry and only once in open carry did I even have to put my hand on the pistol grip. I've put one kid under citizen's arrest when I caught the 17 year old boy stealing my neighbor's ham radio from the under the dash mount. I was armed when I came up behind him but when I figured out in the dark that the kid was 70 pounds and ten years my younger I put the pistol inside the waste band of my jeans and went hands on until the military and civilian police arrived. Since I was at home and residence no permit but I never really had to conceal or open carry - I just grabbed it. When the police arrived they had ZERO concern over my firearm. The Marine Corp military police admired the, at the time, new model of double-double 9mm but did nothing to remove it or check it from me. Years later while camping I had to park my car 250 yards from my campsite. Someone had removed the car cover and looked inside at the stereo system (I assume) as I found footprints in the dust and hand prints on the windows. Checking on my car later I found four people surrounding my car - two boys on the side nearest to me and a boy and girl on the far side. As I approached them coming down a steep hill I unsnapped the latch on my holstered Smith and Wesson 5904. The female saw me coming and said something to the two males on my side who turned and started approaching me. I was behind a dip in the road so they couldn't see me from the waist down. As I continued toward them the two males continued toward me ... until the point where they could notice my right hand gripping the 9mm sitting in the holster. Another step or two and they would have been at gun point facing 17 rounds of 9mm loving. Instead they stopped short, turned on their heels and said something to the two still standing by my car and they all took off. About four years ago there was a shooting in front of my neighbor's house, an apparent drug deal gone wrong. Four of the five neighbors responded with pistols before the cops got there - I got the feeling that the first cop on the scene was taking some pretty aggressive searching knowing that there were four good guys watching his back. When the rest of the police force arrived none of the 8 to 10 officers was concerned about the citizens standing around with them completely armed. Most recently I caught a thief stealing things from my neighbor's garage. I armed myself and stayed on the phone with the operator until the squad cars arrived. I had watched the thief making trips back-n-forth between the house and his house so the cops asked me to show them where the guy lived. The lead cop asked me to get into the back seat of his squad (the front was full of crap!) and show him. I pointed out that I had a pistol in my waist band and he just told me to leave it there and get into the squad car. I have been approached about half a dozen times while camping while doing open carry and none of the rangers have said jack about my weapon. I get the feeling that the average well-adjusted beat cop isn't fearful of a calm lawful citizen with a firearm. On the flip side I don't think there's a reason to spend your life with your fingers gripped around the butt of a firearm waiting waiting ... waiting for that moment you get to use it. Don't do drugs, don't sell drugs, don't hang around people that do either, and don't screw O.P.P. and your chances of getting attacked be come near zero. Now stay of out bars and I think you're so close to zero as to not worry about it. I do carry when I'm "out there" but it's 75% for the snakes (hence the revolver with snake shot available) and 25% for the two legged rodents. I don't understand why people carry where they work, live in a place that's so dangerous that they live in near constant fear. It would kill me. As always, your mileage may vary. 
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I know this may sound stupid but I would like to have the experience of open carry. The town I live in is small collage town full and I mean full
of libtards. It is a peaceful town . I think if I do this I wont do it alone, I am a calm person so I think I might be ok. MAYBE 
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These guys are flexing their 2nd amendment right and having open carry outings. In case you haven't been paying attention, there are no 2nd Amendment rights in CA, or any other state (other than DC), at least not until incorporation of the 2A is made under one of the several cases working their way to SCOTUS right now. Until it is, all the open carriers are doing is exercising a privilege, which can easily be closed. If it is closed, it will likely be a reactive bill that is claimed to combat UOCers, yet it will probably affect many other non-UOC folks. This nearly happened last summer. Loaded open carry used to be legal, as well. The Black Panthers used it to their advantage. Want to guess how long it took for that small group to screw LOC for nearly everyone in CA? Just last month we had a guy using it while protesting down in San Jose. He used UOC as a means to draw attention to his little protest, which is did - lots of media and LEO attention. This was not helpful to the cause of all gun owners across the state - it was a self-serving move for attention. At this time, it would probably be better for UOC to not be such an in-your-face proposition, and IMHO should be kept on the back burner. |
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These guys are flexing their 2nd amendment right and having open carry outings. In case you haven't been paying attention, there are no 2nd Amendment rights in CA, or any other state (other than DC), at least not until incorporation of the 2A is made under one of the several cases working their way to SCOTUS right now. Until it is, all the open carriers are doing is exercising a privilege, which can easily be closed. If it is closed, it will likely be a reactive bill that is claimed to combat UOCers, yet it will probably affect many other non-UOC folks. This nearly happened last summer. Loaded open carry used to be legal, as well. The Black Panthers used it to their advantage. Want to guess how long it took for that small group to screw LOC for nearly everyone in CA? Just last month we had a guy using it while protesting down in San Jose. He used UOC as a means to draw attention to his little protest, which is did - lots of media and LEO attention. This was not helpful to the cause of all gun owners across the state - it was a self-serving move for attention. At this time, it would probably be better for UOC to not be such an in-your-face proposition, and IMHO should be kept on the back burner. I understand what you are saying and I have been paying attention, If I choose to exercise my privilege as you say I would only do it in the right environment. |
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WE can all thank GOVERNOR RONALD REAGAN for doing away with loaded open carry.
AS PRESIDENT Banning firearms in national parks @ monuments and banning the new manufacture of machine guns in 1986. What a conservative ?????????????????? There are other gun laws he passed as president and as governor. Ammo bans ECT. 33rd Governor, Republican California (1967-1975) |
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I know this may sound stupid but I would like to have the experience of open carry. The town I live in is small collage town full and I mean full of libtards. It is a peaceful town . I think if I do this I wont do it alone, I am a calm person so I think I might be ok. MAYBE First read ALL the relevant sections on CalGuns. Then READ and THOROUGHLY understand ALL the various laws on guns in school zones and make sure you aren't in a school zone. We can't afford to pay for all the guys that get busted righteously. |
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Quoted: This times a hundred.Quoted: I know this may sound stupid but I would like to have the experience of open carry. The town I live in is small collage town full and I mean full of libtards. It is a peaceful town . I think if I do this I wont do it alone, I am a calm person so I think I might be ok. MAYBE First read ALL the relevant sections on CalGuns. Then READ and THOROUGHLY understand ALL the various laws on guns in school zones and make sure you aren't in a school zone. We can't afford to pay for all the guys that get busted righteously. Read it thoroughly, then read it again. And Again. |
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MAYBE SUE FOR DISCRIMINATION . I know the topic is open carry but in some counties concealed carry permits are handed out like candy. ( well easy to get) . Sue the sheriff for being denied a ccw.???
http://www.calccw.com/Forums/county-faq/7158-county-map-california-ccw-issuance.html |
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MAYBE SUE FOR DISCRIMINATION . I know the topic is open carry but in some counties concealed carry permits are handed out like candy. ( well easy to get) . Sue the sheriff for being denied a ccw.??? http://www.calccw.com/Forums/county-faq/7158-county-map-california-ccw-issuance.html I'm in Yolo very ,very hard to get. not a bad idea but i think that's the last thing i need. |
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MAYBE SUE FOR DISCRIMINATION . I know the topic is open carry but in some counties concealed carry permits are handed out like candy. ( well easy to get) . Sue the sheriff for being denied a ccw.??? http://www.calccw.com/Forums/county-faq/7158-county-map-california-ccw-issuance.html I'm in Yolo very ,very hard to get. not a bad idea but i think that's the last thing i need. There is already a lawsuit regarding CCW in Yolo county with statewide implications. Attempting a similar suit is likely to either be an unnecessary waste of resources, or potentially damaging to the existing suits. If you want to open carry, my advice is to go to Nevada for now. California isn't fertile ground for OC... yet. |
HEY the bottom line is it's a right not privilege. IF THE LAW CAN'T BE CHANGED (RIGHTED) THROUGH THE LEGISLATOR THEN SUE. 
WE all know the open carry is legal in all the surrounding states of california but there are more people in California than in the 3 surrounding states. It's not like there handing out a ccw permit to felons !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Nothing like spreading mis-information
1. Cops regularly ask for permission to search even if they have probable cause. If they lose what they believed to be sufficent PC to search in 1538.5 motion they can always fall back on the permission that was granted.. 2 Its not illegal to lie to a California Peace Officer. It is illegal to lie to a Federal Peace Officer even if they are working in Ca. 3. They stated it is not illegal to surreptitiously record a peace officer in a public setting. If a Ca. peace officer is on duty/acting in the course of employment it is not illegal to record the officer regardless if it is in a public or private setting. They have no expectation of privacy while working |