Posted: 12/2/2014 2:43:54 AM EDT
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So I'm up late tonight and stumbled upon this story on News9.com while I was looking for details regarding an officer involved shooting near Rockwell tonight. Both of these got me thinking, be safe during the Holidays everyone, it's kinda crazy out there.
Outlets Knife Mugging @ News9.com I wonder if they'll reconsider the no self defense with a firearm signs around the mall. 
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So I'm up late tonight and stumbled upon this story on News9.com while I was looking for details regarding an officer involved shooting near Rockwell tonight. Both of these got me thinking, be safe during the Holidays everyone, it's kinda crazy out there. Outlets Knife Mugging @ News9.com I wonder if they'll reconsider the no self defense with a firearm signs around the mall. What signs? (or should I say suggestions) |
Ill have to pay more attention...
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I thought there was a lawsuit against the mall since the signs are actually in violation of OK SDA? correct me if i'm wrong, but since its private property the owner can decide if they will allow guns on the premises. its not against the law to ignore the signs, but they can call the cops and have you removed/cited for trespassing. |
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correct me if i'm wrong, but since its private property the owner can decide if they will allow guns on the premises. its not against the law to ignore the signs, but they can call the cops and have you removed/cited for trespassing. Quoted:
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I thought there was a lawsuit against the mall since the signs are actually in violation of OK SDA? correct me if i'm wrong, but since its private property the owner can decide if they will allow guns on the premises. its not against the law to ignore the signs, but they can call the cops and have you removed/cited for trespassing. IF you refuse to leave after they ask you to. of course it's one of those mooin points, concealed ( i know you can open, but why? to prove a point?) means never having to say you're sorry. |
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correct me if i'm wrong, but since its private property the owner can decide if they will allow guns on the premises. its not against the law to ignore the signs, but they can call the cops and have you removed/cited for trespassing. Quoted:
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I thought there was a lawsuit against the mall since the signs are actually in violation of OK SDA? correct me if i'm wrong, but since its private property the owner can decide if they will allow guns on the premises. its not against the law to ignore the signs, but they can call the cops and have you removed/cited for trespassing. The signs posted at the outlet are at the parking lot entrances prohibiting carry beyond that point. That is in violation of the SDA, my original statement could have been more clear on the location and why they are in violation. Its a topic that has been discussed a few times here, and where I thought I saw there was a lawsuit against the property management company. TITLE 21 § 1290.22 BUSINESS OWNER’S RIGHTS B. No person, property owner, tenant, employer, place of worship or business entity shall be permitted to establish any policy or rule that has the effect of prohibiting any person, except a convicted felon, from transporting and storing firearms in a locked vehicle on any property set aside for any vehicle. |
| In that case, sounds like a violation to me. I doubt it would require a lawsuit though, the law is pretty clear and it would be a short employed attorney that recommends to the property owner to keep the signs up upon reading the law. In other words, the property owners lawyer just needs to read the law and he'll have no choice but to remove the signs and go with signs at individual businesses like everyone else. Personally, I think allowing every business to ban legal gun carry is BS to begin with. Banning folks from practicing their constitutionally protected rights under the laws of that state is complete horse dung. |
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In that case, sounds like a violation to me. I doubt it would require a lawsuit though, the law is pretty clear and it would be a short employed attorney that recommends to the property owner to keep the signs up upon reading the law. In other words, the property owners lawyer just needs to read the law and he'll have no choice but to remove the signs and go with signs at individual businesses like everyone else. Personally, I think allowing every business to ban legal gun carry is BS to begin with. Banning folks from practicing their constitutionally protected rights under the laws of that state is complete horse dung. I agree with the law... Private property rights... with that said, concealed is concealed. |
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You actually pay attention to those? 
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They have several no guns signs at the entrances of the entire area along the roads leading in. You actually pay attention to those?
Let's just say I've seen them. Following their suggestion is another matter.
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I agree with the law... Private property rights... with that said, concealed is concealed. Quoted:
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In that case, sounds like a violation to me. I doubt it would require a lawsuit though, the law is pretty clear and it would be a short employed attorney that recommends to the property owner to keep the signs up upon reading the law. In other words, the property owners lawyer just needs to read the law and he'll have no choice but to remove the signs and go with signs at individual businesses like everyone else. Personally, I think allowing every business to ban legal gun carry is BS to begin with. Banning folks from practicing their constitutionally protected rights under the laws of that state is complete horse dung. I agree with the law... Private property rights... with that said, concealed is concealed. So you agree they should have the right to tell you that you can't legally carry a gun in their business but you also agree that disobeying that law is ok as long as they don't know about it?
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So you agree they should have the right to tell you that you can't legally carry a gun in their business but you also agree that disobeying that law is ok as long as they don't know about it? Quoted:
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In that case, sounds like a violation to me. I doubt it would require a lawsuit though, the law is pretty clear and it would be a short employed attorney that recommends to the property owner to keep the signs up upon reading the law. In other words, the property owners lawyer just needs to read the law and he'll have no choice but to remove the signs and go with signs at individual businesses like everyone else. Personally, I think allowing every business to ban legal gun carry is BS to begin with. Banning folks from practicing their constitutionally protected rights under the laws of that state is complete horse dung. I agree with the law... Private property rights... with that said, concealed is concealed. So you agree they should have the right to tell you that you can't legally carry a gun in their business but you also agree that disobeying that law is ok as long as they don't know about it? As long as I am willing to accept the consequences of my actions and they are too... |
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So you agree they should have the right to tell you that you can't legally carry a gun in their business but you also agree that disobeying that law is ok as long as they don't know about it? Quoted:
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In that case, sounds like a violation to me. I doubt it would require a lawsuit though, the law is pretty clear and it would be a short employed attorney that recommends to the property owner to keep the signs up upon reading the law. In other words, the property owners lawyer just needs to read the law and he'll have no choice but to remove the signs and go with signs at individual businesses like everyone else. Personally, I think allowing every business to ban legal gun carry is BS to begin with. Banning folks from practicing their constitutionally protected rights under the laws of that state is complete horse dung. I agree with the law... Private property rights... with that said, concealed is concealed. So you agree they should have the right to tell you that you can't legally carry a gun in their business but you also agree that disobeying that law is ok as long as they don't know about it? yep. especially since it's not a LAW, it's a POLICY. you might even call it a suggestion. |
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Let me put it this way..
I agree with the law, it is a business owners right to decide if someone can carry a weapon on their property. Period. If they decide to do so it is their responsibility to take that decision seriously if they expect to actually deny someone with a weapon entry. If a business provides security, (guard and metal detector) then they have demonstrated that they do in fact take the security of their property and patrons seriously and therefore I will too and respect their decision.. On the other hand, if the only thing they are doing is posting a sign or sticker, they are not tacking it seriously, they are not providing security for their property or patrons and so I must do what I can to protect my self. They can continue to live the fantasy that a sign or sticker will keep bad guys out, I will continue to have the ability to protect my self and family without offending them or others. If I screw up and don't keep it concealed, they are now aware of it and have the right to ask me to leave, and I will.. The way the law in Oklahoma is written is as good as it gets... |