[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Police Car Question (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 12/22/2011 3:03:42 PM EDT
AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also.
This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. 
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they're reading your mind, man.  Lol ,no shit. I was rolling in my caddy also. If it is a reader so to speak I wonder how it alearts the officer other than say left/rear vehicle or something like that. Well it can probably pull up the make/model of the car pretty easy as well...so that should aid in the spotting. |
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Auto plate reader. They scan plates, running queries for hits. More revenue, more found stolen, more expired tags, yada yada...  No no no no that isn't what they are doing. They are scanning your retina and recording your brain waves in order to build a database for the mark of the beast.
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AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/hrsgrunner/JackCoSher1.jpg This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. As stated, it is a license plate reading car. It is a very handy tool...... Quoted:
And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. |
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AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/hrsgrunner/JackCoSher1.jpg This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. As stated, it is a license plate reading car. It is a very handy tool...... Quoted:
And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Not to nitpick, but where do you think all that "federal grant money" comes from????????? |
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AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/hrsgrunner/JackCoSher1.jpg This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. As stated, it is a license plate reading car. It is a very handy tool...... Quoted:
And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Not to nitpick, but where do you think all that "federal grant money" comes from????????? Obummer ? 
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AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/hrsgrunner/JackCoSher1.jpg This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. As stated, it is a license plate reading car. It is a very handy tool...... Quoted:
And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Not to nitpick, but where do you think all that "federal grant money" comes from????????? It's not our tax money. The taxes we are paying in now was spent years ago. It is the tax money from our children (or grandchildren) that is paying for these.... |
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AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/hrsgrunner/JackCoSher1.jpg This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. As stated, it is a license plate reading car. It is a very handy tool...... Quoted:
And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Not to nitpick, but where do you think all that "federal grant money" comes from????????? It's not our tax money. The taxes we are paying in now was spent years ago. It is the tax money from our children (or grandchildren) that is paying for these.... Ha! |
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AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/hrsgrunner/JackCoSher1.jpg This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. As stated, it is a license plate reading car. It is a very handy tool...... Quoted:
And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Could another LEO please let this guy in on why it is ok for The People to comment on stuff you guys are doing with our money and the power you've been entrusted with? While you are at it, how about also letting him know why we The People should be paying attention even if we aren't a 'shitbag criminal'. Seriously. Another LEO's comments demonstrating his/her understanding of this would be a good thing. |
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Right now... they are printing more to keep us afloat. All the while trying to make us pay MORE taxes instead of cutting spending.
In our own households, we can't keep spending money we don't have just because we decided to spend it last year. Well, we can but... This country is in this mess because The People haven't been paying attention with what out .gov has been doing with our money and the power we entrusted to them. |
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Not to nitpick, but where do you think all that "federal grant money" comes from????????? It's not our tax money. The taxes we are paying in now was spent years ago. It is the tax money from our children (or grandchildren) that is paying for these.... Wait, you mean the .gov isn't holding bake sales to raise revenue? Are you telling me that the .gov isn't actually capable of raising even $1 in revenue and that they must take (tax) the money from their Citizens? Say it ain't so. I thought he feds got their money from the Chinese..? But hey, I'm just a shitbag law abiding, tax paying American citizen non leo so I guess I shouldn't comment on anything without clearing it through the nearest all knowing holier than thou shitbag, law abiding, tax paying American citizen who just happens to were a badge to work. |
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Let me expand as to why I think this is a "bad idea." As Mr. Joe Public this appears to me like another way the state or feds saw to get more money out of my pocket through tickets, not to keep me safe. But even more concerning is the information being gathered through "watching" the public with electronic means. Sure there are cameras everywhere but why do we need more? Why does the law abiding general public have to be constantly monitored? Every cop I've ever known generally has a pretty good idea who the bad guys are and sniff them out with ol' fashion police work and doesn't need a computer monitoring EVERY CAR he passes on patrol. If I pass 1 or 2 of these everyday guess what? Uncle Sam now knows where I am at all times, I'm not comfortable with that as frankly it's none of his G damn business. But the more shit I see like this the more I see Uncle Sam making my business "his business." I'm not ok with that.
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Federal money not tax money......hmmm. 
It's Obama money !! Agree devices are worth their cost many times over from theft recovery. Have good freinds who work as teachers, firemen, policemen, city service workers and beurocrats. When conversations turn to how their departments, stations, institutions, and administrations are funded. What the city, state or federal government ought to for them. Or why don't they have money for this or that. I have to excuse myself from conversations. Often its best to get up and leave. We need tax funded workers for many jobs. Grateful to have you. But make no mistake where money comes from. It comes off the backs of private enterprise. We need you, but you need us more. Majority of us knows where tax dollars go or don't go. What amazes me is the crowd down in city garage who clock in at 7:30. Drink coffee and bitch until 8:30. Then think about what needs to be done. I'll stop there. Can feel chest tightening. I keep going and won't be able to stop. Jonathan, my boy. Man now, 3 tours Iraq. High Speed, super sniper. His attitude towards civilians is much like I've experienced with "some" LEO. I realize some of that attitude the Army gives you. Bet various LEO agencies instill some of the disdain for your survival, parts of it come from putting your life on the line, defending the American way of life. But damnit, fuck it all to hell. There's some of that attitude you can help. First time I've gotten that off my chest. Now, I better shut the fuck up and go back to work so you guys can have more federal grant money. |
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Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. No thanks. All of us know that a LEO or FF's job is not a cake walk. A year or so ago the KC red Star did a piece on a SWAT member who had taken fire and I believe was hit at one time, was only making ~$19,000/yr. That's just an insulting number for anyone to try to live on with gas, milk or beer all costing around $3.00/Gal. God forbid you have a family to support who just hopes you come back home from work each day. The story went on to tell how so many were leaving for greener pastures across the state line which paid four to five time what they were making. (I searched the Star website but couldn't find it). I'm a big fan of high tech tools that help me do my job better or easier. Having equipment like this hopefully decreases the risks associated with the job but I would really like to see more money go into a LEO's salary than the gadget gear that will be outdated in the time span of a laptop at best buy. Thanks for your service and please stay safe, we need you! |
| Back to the topic, I have these on my patrol car. Its called the ALPR, or automatic license plate reader. As posted above it automatically scans license plates in its fields of view and checks them against a "hot list" of stolen vehicles, warrants, BOLO and a few other categories. They do not generate any revenue that I've seen so I don't know where that came from, but I nab a fugitive on average once per shift. As Kujoe stated, the ability is there to go back and see if a suspect vehicle has been scanned and where they were scanned. I found a robbery suspec that way about four months ago. Awesome technology, but I do get a lot of false or misreads...likes reflective mailbox numbers for some reason...Anyone with serious question can PM me for more info if they want. |
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Yes, it is a danerous job, and yes they are more than adequately compensated for it. Most LEO and FF make real good money and have a very nice RETIREMENT PACKAGE with actual guaranteed monthly checks, medical benefits, not just a 401k and medicare like 90% everybody else gets.
The real kicker is coming down the road. Two things have happened here. For the past decade 911 has been used an excuse to militarize local PD's in the name of terror attacks. Trillions has been spent on everything form adding new bodies to all kinds of new goodies. The other problem is the unionization of these folks. While not all LEO and FF have benefitted, most make an excellent paycheck with benefits to die for. The problem is that now that the fed money is gone for 90% of the depts it was going to, where is it going to come from now? Up until now it's been Bush/Obama borrowed/printed money. With the economy / tax revenues way down local communities cannot afford to keep up these practices. Not far down the road we will going back to using volunteers combined with full timers within their own community. While the gadget on the car may make the LE job easier, it is an infringement on everyone elses privacy and a waste of tax dollars. The answer to crime is not crime prevention at the local police level, it's giving those that are tempted to commit a crime the choice not to do it in the first place. Truly throwing the book at the criminals and making them pay for their crimes against society in a harsh manner. Prison time should be hard labor. Instead it's a training grounds to make those that enter better criminals when they leave. A punk goes is sentenced for 5 years, he comes out in 2 with more tatoos and a better knowledge of how to deal drugs and rip people off. Change the punishments we dish out and there won't be so many repeat offenders, it won't be as cool to be gangsta if you gotta go in the joint and bust rocks 12 hours a day. Screw rehabilitation, we've been trying it now for several decades and it hasn't worked. Make the punishment so harsh that when they come out they will be so happy to be free, crime won't even enter their mind. Nobody should ever be let out for murder, death penalty or rot in a cell. my .02 |
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Yes, it is a danerous job, and yes they are more than adequately compensated for it. Most LEO and FF make real good money and have a very nice RETIREMENT PACKAGE with actual guaranteed monthly checks, medical benefits, not just a 401k and medicare like 90% everybody else gets. The real kicker is coming down the road. Two things have happened here. For the past decade 911 has been used an excuse to militarize local PD's in the name of terror attacks. Trillions has been spent on everything form adding new bodies to all kinds of new goodies. The other problem is the unionization of these folks. While not all LEO and FF have benefitted, most make an excellent paycheck with benefits to die for. The problem is that now that the fed money is gone for 90% of the depts it was going to, where is it going to come from now? Up until now it's been Bush/Obama borrowed/printed money. With the economy / tax revenues way down local communities cannot afford to keep up these practices. Not far down the road we will going back to using volunteers combined with full timers within their own community. While the gadget on the car may make the LE job easier, it is an infringement on everyone elses privacy and a waste of tax dollars. The answer to crime is not crime prevention at the local police level, it's giving those that are tempted to commit a crime the choice not to do it in the first place. Truly throwing the book at the criminals and making them pay for their crimes against society in a harsh manner. Prison time should be hard labor. Instead it's a training grounds to make those that enter better criminals when they leave. A punk goes is sentenced for 5 years, he comes out in 2 with more tatoos and a better knowledge of how to deal drugs and rip people off. Change the punishments we dish out and there won't be so many repeat offenders, it won't be as cool to be gangsta if you gotta go in the joint and bust rocks 12 hours a day. Screw rehabilitation, we've been trying it now for several decades and it hasn't worked. Make the punishment so harsh that when they come out they will be so happy to be free, crime won't even enter their mind. Nobody should ever be let out for murder, death penalty or rot in a cell. my .02 A lot of the larger departments are paying for this with asset forfeiture money. IE the cash we seize from drug dealers. Running your plate is not an infringement. You may not like it but LEO can run any license plate the want. LEOs do not need PC or RS to run a plate. I do agree with you that these things are a wast of money but for a differant reason. Do not wash that PoPo car in the car wash. It may/will damge the thing. A lot of those devices get pissy when they get hot sitting in the sun. Just wait till the departments that just put these on drives the car in snow and freezing rain. I hope they purchsed a service plan. They do not far well when a suspect gets pushed up against one. Just an FYI the average mid size fire district firefighter makes a shit load more then the average police officer with the same time on. There may be a handful of PDs that pay on the same scale as hose draggers but for the most part the police are paid far less and benefits are even worse. Please do not lump me\ us with the hose draggers unles you are going to give me the same pay. A vetran fire fighter with the same time on, 17years, is making about 25,000 more a year then I am. And that is base pay. If he or she is a medic It will be even higher. Edit: Dont believe me on the pay? Drive up to the 1st Precinct in St Louis County and look in the back parking lot where the officers park their personly owned vehicles. Take note on make model etc. Drive a short distance to the the Black Jack Fire District main house, or better described as a castle, and take a look at what they are driving. |
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AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/hrsgrunner/JackCoSher1.jpg This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. As stated, it is a license plate reading car. It is a very handy tool...... Quoted:
And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Could another LEO please let this guy in on why it is ok for The People to comment on stuff you guys are doing with our money and the power you've been entrusted with? While you are at it, how about also letting him know why we The People should be paying attention even if we aren't a 'shitbag criminal'. Seriously. Another LEO's comments demonstrating his/her understanding of this would be a good thing. Like everyone said..... they read plates. The People were told what it does. But then the typical crap about how all police are waisting MY tax dollars and using this to write me tickets to make money..... blah blah. It gets old. ESP when you have no clue what this stuff does. And could not be any futher from the truth. This equipment's full purposes shouldnt be openly discussed on places like this because they are investigative tools and anyone could be on here. Why would you want to compromise their value just to reveal what all they do? I'll just go back to my cash register and be quiet.  It's never a two way street on these forums..... I sit back and read enough. But I am not a cash raising tool for this disfunctional government. Nor should I have to watch people say that without recourse. If someone wants to throw negative vibes my way i'll send them right back.
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LOL at the thought of privacy while out in the public. it is an infringement on everyone elses privacy
You are correct. I probably overstated that. It's a registered vehicle and public info. It just seems overboard to me. Big Brother is lurking everywhere. If this technology is on the cars it won't be too long that the governement will just put cameras up everywhere and incorporate the plate reading/face reading technology into everything and know our whereabouts at all times. I think London is on it's way there now. Like I said, instead of treating everyone like babies the punishments should match the crime and let people make their own decisions. In the name of safety we have been pushing ourselves into a real world 1984. About the cashier thing. Sorry if you don't agree but when you see a line of patrol cars once a month running radar stops, that is exactly what that is for. You can't just pull people over 1 day a month under the guise of law enforcement or public safety and see it any thing other than raising revenue. While you may not view yourself in that light, and I know it is just a percentage of your job, I'm sure the people in charge of the entity you work for have revenues at the top or very close to the top of their priority list. |
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AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/hrsgrunner/JackCoSher1.jpg This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. As stated, it is a license plate reading car. It is a very handy tool...... Quoted:
And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Could another LEO please let this guy in on why it is ok for The People to comment on stuff you guys are doing with our money and the power you've been entrusted with? While you are at it, how about also letting him know why we The People should be paying attention even if we aren't a 'shitbag criminal'. Seriously. Another LEO's comments demonstrating his/her understanding of this would be a good thing. Like everyone said..... they read plates. The People were told what it does. But then the typical crap about how all police are waisting MY tax dollars and using this to write me tickets to make money..... blah blah. It gets old. ESP when you have no clue what this stuff does. And could not be any futher from the truth. This equipment's full purposes shouldnt be openly discussed on places like this because they are investigative tools and anyone could be on here. Why would you want to compromise their value just to reveal what all they do? I'll just go back to my cash register and be quiet. It's never a two way street on these forums..... I sit back and read enough. But I am not a cash raising tool for this disfunctional government. Nor should I have to watch people say that without recourse. If someone wants to throw negative vibes my way i'll send them right back.
Dont see many people wondering how much all the crazy crap the fire dept buys up. Just funny how that works. Dave  We are alike.
I'm glad you guys have taken the time to let us know what it is and how it helps you. I've said nothing negative on this issue. The other guy could have worded it a bit differently, but... Do you see what I've italicized in my post and yours? Any interest in addressing that? |
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AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/hrsgrunner/JackCoSher1.jpg This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. As stated, it is a license plate reading car. It is a very handy tool...... Quoted:
And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Could another LEO please let this guy in on why it is ok for The People to comment on stuff you guys are doing with our money and the power you've been entrusted with? While you are at it, how about also letting him know why we The People should be paying attention even if we aren't a 'shitbag criminal'. Seriously. Another LEO's comments demonstrating his/her understanding of this would be a good thing. Like everyone said..... they read plates. The People were told what it does. But then the typical crap about how all police are waisting MY tax dollars and using this to write me tickets to make money..... blah blah. It gets old. ESP when you have no clue what this stuff does. And could not be any futher from the truth. This equipment's full purposes shouldnt be openly discussed on places like this because they are investigative tools and anyone could be on here. Why would you want to compromise their value just to reveal what all they do? I'll just go back to my cash register and be quiet. It's never a two way street on these forums..... I sit back and read enough. But I am not a cash raising tool for this disfunctional government. Nor should I have to watch people say that without recourse. If someone wants to throw negative vibes my way i'll send them right back.
Dont see many people wondering how much all the crazy crap the fire dept buys up. Just funny how that works. Dave We are alike.
I'm glad you guys have taken the time to let us know what it is and how it helps you. I've said nothing negative on this issue. The other guy could have worded it a bit differently, but... Do you see what I've italicized in my post and yours? Any interest in addressing that? (Italicized). If you haven't murdered, raped or kidknapped someone the most important potentional uses of the equipment don't apply to you. While I have only "played" with the equipment for a few hours, I am pretty sure it doesn't even tell you if a tag is expired, though I could be wrong as there are a lot of settings on it. The bottom line is that everyone assumes this is like a radar gun or something generating tickets when it simply isnt. If your car gets stolen there is a good chance that one of these cars are going to be recovering it for you when it reads the tag parked on the side of the road in the hood. Other than that no ordanary citizen will be affected by this equipment. Just not how its designed or deployed. |
| You are not going to see these things on every police car. I am not sure why anyone would get upset with this technology. I get that some folks just forget to get their plates renewed, but there are a lot of shit bums out there that will never title or register their POS care/truck and those shit bums probably do not have insurance and they are driving next to you every day. Doesn’t that piss you off? These devices are not like stop light cameras or the mobile radar ticket machines. Yes those are revenue generating devices. These readers do have some potential for generating revenue but ask any police officer about stops with bad plates. We look hard for them because they produce good stops. Bad guys have to get around and they often do not, as we say in the business, “Have their car right. I have made more good gun and drug arrest from failed to register and used the plate of another stops then any other observed traffic violation. Bottom line, if your plates are good and you understand that the state of Mo gives you two plates for the same car and not one for each car, then YOU HAVE NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT. |
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And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Could another LEO please let this guy in on why it is ok for The People to comment on stuff you guys are doing with our money and the power you've been entrusted with? While you are at it, how about also letting him know why we The People should be paying attention even if we aren't a 'shitbag criminal'. Seriously. Another LEO's comments demonstrating his/her understanding of this would be a good thing. Like everyone said..... they read plates. The People were told what it does. But then the typical crap about how all police are waisting MY tax dollars and using this to write me tickets to make money..... blah blah. It gets old. ESP when you have no clue what this stuff does. And could not be any futher from the truth. This equipment's full purposes shouldnt be openly discussed on places like this because they are investigative tools and anyone could be on here. Why would you want to compromise their value just to reveal what all they do? I'll just go back to my cash register and be quiet. It's never a two way street on these forums..... I sit back and read enough. But I am not a cash raising tool for this disfunctional government. Nor should I have to watch people say that without recourse. If someone wants to throw negative vibes my way i'll send them right back.
Dont see many people wondering how much all the crazy crap the fire dept buys up. Just funny how that works. Dave We are alike.
I'm glad you guys have taken the time to let us know what it is and how it helps you. I've said nothing negative on this issue. The other guy could have worded it a bit differently, but... Do you see what I've italicized in my post and yours? Any interest in addressing that? (Italicized). If you haven't murdered, raped or kidknapped someone the most important potentional uses of the equipment don't apply to you. While I have only "played" with the equipment for a few hours, I am pretty sure it doesn't even tell you if a tag is expired, though I could be wrong as there are a lot of settings on it. The bottom line is that everyone assumes this is like a radar gun or something generating tickets when it simply isnt. If your car gets stolen there is a good chance that one of these cars are going to be recovering it for you when it reads the tag parked on the side of the road in the hood. Other than that no ordanary citizen will be affected by this equipment. Just not how its designed or deployed. The bottom line is that you haven't addressed what I've italicized. I contend that The People should ask questions and pay attention to what you are doing with our money and the power we've entrusted to you. The tone of your statements read as basically to shut up and don't worry about whatever we're doing. |
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Yes, it is a danerous job, and yes they are more than adequately compensated for it. Most LEO and FF make real good money and have a very nice RETIREMENT PACKAGE with actual guaranteed monthly checks, medical benefits, not just a 401k and medicare like 90% everybody else gets. I'm glad I'm making so much money and have great benefits! I make $10.00 an hour, NO retirement, NO benefits! BTW, the two newbees are being hired at a WHOPPING $8.00 an hour! |
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Yes, it is a danerous job, and yes they are more than adequately compensated for it. Most LEO and FF make real good money and have a very nice RETIREMENT PACKAGE with actual guaranteed monthly checks, medical benefits, not just a 401k and medicare like 90% everybody else gets. I'm glad I'm making so much money and have great benefits! I make $10.00 an hour, NO retirement, NO benefits! If you need a job, swing out to central MO. We start out WAY more than that, with full benefits. Even our Munis (I work for 2 of them) make way more that that brother. IM me if you're interested. |
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And I'm sure that by "you" you mean the politicians who decide upon these policies, procedures and whether to buy the equipment or not. Surely "you" doesn't mean the rank & file guy on the street who is just trying to do his job, whether he agrees with the policies or not. Right?The bottom line is that you haven't addressed what I've italicized. I contend that The People should ask questions and pay attention to what you are doing with our money and the power we've entrusted to you. The tone of your statements read as basically to shut up and don't worry about whatever we're doing. I respect the hell out of our Enforcement Arm of our .gov. Make no mistake. Tough life. Tough on their family. Takes a special person to make it all work. I am not sure I could do it. With that said... I remember how the St. Louis area police wouldn't abide by the new CCW laws when they passed here in MO. Was it ok to question them and see about getting them to abide by the law? Is it ok to correct this LEO when he says Fed money doesn't cost us anything? Is it policy to tell us to shut up and not worry about the things that he's being told to do? |
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Thats the elsag system specifically, doesnt do shit about expired plates. Neither does the federal system.
Reads for warrants and wanteds, and a few other serious things. We recovered 5 stolen vehicles, 3 Felony Assault Suspects, 1 Assault 1st LEO vehicle, and about 25 LSA vehicles in the first 4 days we had it. Not to mention a bunch of DWS and DWR suspects. I have yet to figure out who you generate money from people who dont pay their shit in the first place. The cameras dont issue tickets or anything like that. Simply look for wanted vehicles. It works fantastic by the way . A drug dealer is paying for our system, along with our new M&P's, not tax money. PS: Were out to get you.  (Just look for the black helicopter). I hear if you cover your car in aluminum foil it cant read your plate
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And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Could another LEO please let this guy in on why it is ok for The People to comment on stuff you guys are doing with our money and the power you've been entrusted with? While you are at it, how about also letting him know why we The People should be paying attention even if we aren't a 'shitbag criminal'. Seriously. Another LEO's comments demonstrating his/her understanding of this would be a good thing. Like everyone said..... they read plates. The People were told what it does. But then the typical crap about how all police are waisting MY tax dollars and using this to write me tickets to make money..... blah blah. It gets old. ESP when you have no clue what this stuff does. And could not be any futher from the truth. This equipment's full purposes shouldnt be openly discussed on places like this because they are investigative tools and anyone could be on here. Why would you want to compromise their value just to reveal what all they do? I'll just go back to my cash register and be quiet. It's never a two way street on these forums..... I sit back and read enough. But I am not a cash raising tool for this disfunctional government. Nor should I have to watch people say that without recourse. If someone wants to throw negative vibes my way i'll send them right back.
Dont see many people wondering how much all the crazy crap the fire dept buys up. Just funny how that works. Dave We are alike.
I'm glad you guys have taken the time to let us know what it is and how it helps you. I've said nothing negative on this issue. The other guy could have worded it a bit differently, but... Do you see what I've italicized in my post and yours? Any interest in addressing that? (Italicized). If you haven't murdered, raped or kidknapped someone the most important potentional uses of the equipment don't apply to you. While I have only "played" with the equipment for a few hours, I am pretty sure it doesn't even tell you if a tag is expired, though I could be wrong as there are a lot of settings on it. The bottom line is that everyone assumes this is like a radar gun or something generating tickets when it simply isnt. If your car gets stolen there is a good chance that one of these cars are going to be recovering it for you when it reads the tag parked on the side of the road in the hood. Other than that no ordanary citizen will be affected by this equipment. Just not how its designed or deployed. The bottom line is that you haven't addressed what I've italicized. I contend that The People should ask questions and pay attention to what you are doing with our money and the power we've entrusted to you. The tone of your statements read as basically to shut up and don't worry about whatever we're doing. Do you really think "Police Officers" are SPENDING your money? We show up and some Chief making 100K a year, has Christmas off, a take home car and doesnt carry a gun says I have something new to learn how to use. My tone is because a bunch of people who know NOTHING about this equipment, how it is used, how it was bought or what it does...... jump to the conclusions where the Police are out to get them and wasting THEIR money. You are way off base and the public doesn't need to know everything it does. Because it catches serious bad guys who would LOVE to know too. The OP had every right to ask. The damn thing is hanging off the back of a marked squad car. All the other shitty comments weren't needed. |
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Thats the elsag system specifically, doesnt do shit about expired plates. Neither does the federal system. Reads for warrants and wanteds, and a few other serious things. We recovered 5 stolen vehicles, 3 Felony Assault Suspects, 1 Assault 1st LEO vehicle, and about 25 LSA vehicles in the first 4 days we had it. Not to mention a bunch of DWS and DWR suspects. I have yet to figure out who you generate money from people who dont pay their shit in the first place. The cameras dont issue tickets or anything like that. Simply look for wanted vehicles. It works fantastic by the way . A drug dealer is paying for our system, along with our new M&P's, not tax money. PS: Were out to get you. (Just look for the black helicopter). I hear if you cover your car in aluminum foil it cant read your plateActually it's the MPH-900 ALPR, or Mobile Plate Hunter / Automatic License Plate Reader. ELSAG is the company that produces the equipment. www.elsag.com My webfu is most useful. 
"It’s catching on with Law Enforcement agencies across the country that the Mobile Plate Hunter-900 ALPR Technology can be used to help collect taxes, parking ticket fines and other revenues." "Cal State University, Fullerton purchased one MPH-900 Automatic License Plate Reader in August, 2008 and collected enough fines by January, 2009 to nearly cover the cost of the system." RED ALERT! My Misinformation Meter Is Pegged Out! IT DOES GENERATE REVENUE! The Tax Man Cometh..... 
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| Lambo I gotta ask this question. Since all fines for traffic violations are purely taxes and in no way promote highway safety what should the fine be for say 15 over the speed limit? Week in jail? Community service? Or just a stern look from the officer as you drive by? I am actually curious about your opinion and not being to much of a smartass. |
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AFSOC's Raytown bomb thread reminded me that I had this pic on my phone and I have been curious what in the hell these things are that are mounted on the trunk. If remember correctly there were two on the hood also. http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c60/hrsgrunner/JackCoSher1.jpg This was taken on 350 hwy in Raytown MO earlier this year so it may have been a pilot program or something because I haven't seen any since. I remember how spirited ARINKCMO cop car/truck thread was a while back so lets get the blue juices flowing up in here. As stated, it is a license plate reading car. It is a very handy tool...... Quoted:
And we wonder why our taxes are so high. There ya go. " to protect and serve" or is it more like "to fine and generate revenue"? FYI, I'm not a cop basher, I just think it's bull shit how a police officer's role has evolved into a cashier. These cameras have solved serious crime. You dont know anything about it. So you shouldn't comment. Has nothing to do with writing tickets or making money. AND all of the ones I know of have been bought with federal grant money........ so your (AND MY) tax money wasnt needed. But I do see how you could ASSUME that. And no, I wont explain everything it does. OPSEC. If you arent a shitbag criminal dont worry about it. Come ride with a cop in the inner city and see how much like a "cashier" the job is....... just promise not to piss on my cash register when the shit hits the fan. Could another LEO please let this guy in on why it is ok for The People to comment on stuff you guys are doing with our money and the power you've been entrusted with? While you are at it, how about also letting him know why we The People should be paying attention even if we aren't a 'shitbag criminal'. Seriously. Another LEO's comments demonstrating his/her understanding of this would be a good thing. Like everyone said..... they read plates. The People were told what it does. But then the typical crap about how all police are waisting MY tax dollars and using this to write me tickets to make money..... blah blah. It gets old. ESP when you have no clue what this stuff does. And could not be any futher from the truth. This equipment's full purposes shouldnt be openly discussed on places like this because they are investigative tools and anyone could be on here. Why would you want to compromise their value just to reveal what all they do? I'll just go back to my cash register and be quiet. It's never a two way street on these forums..... I sit back and read enough. But I am not a cash raising tool for this disfunctional government. Nor should I have to watch people say that without recourse. If someone wants to throw negative vibes my way i'll send them right back.
Dont see many people wondering how much all the crazy crap the fire dept buys up. Just funny how that works. Dave We are alike.
I'm glad you guys have taken the time to let us know what it is and how it helps you. I've said nothing negative on this issue. The other guy could have worded it a bit differently, but... Do you see what I've italicized in my post and yours? Any interest in addressing that? (Italicized). If you haven't murdered, raped or kidknapped someone the most important potentional uses of the equipment don't apply to you. While I have only "played" with the equipment for a few hours, I am pretty sure it doesn't even tell you if a tag is expired, though I could be wrong as there are a lot of settings on it. The bottom line is that everyone assumes this is like a radar gun or something generating tickets when it simply isnt. If your car gets stolen there is a good chance that one of these cars are going to be recovering it for you when it reads the tag parked on the side of the road in the hood. Other than that no ordanary citizen will be affected by this equipment. Just not how its designed or deployed. The bottom line is that you haven't addressed what I've italicized. I contend that The People should ask questions and pay attention to what you are doing with our money and the power we've entrusted to you. The tone of your statements read as basically to shut up and don't worry about whatever we're doing. Do you really think "Police Officers" are SPENDING your money? We show up and some Chief making 100K a year, has Christmas off, a take home car and doesnt carry a gun says I have something new to learn how to use. My tone is because a bunch of people who know NOTHING about this equipment, how it is used, how it was bought or what it does...... jump to the conclusions where the Police are out to get them and wasting THEIR money. You are way off base and the public doesn't need to know everything it does. Because it catches serious bad guys who would LOVE to know too. The OP had every right to ask. The damn thing is hanging off the back of a marked squad car. All the other shitty comments weren't needed. Exactly. Telling someone to shut up and don't worry about it is one of those shitty comments. Once again. I haven't said a negative thing about this tool or any others you LEO's are using. You guys have my full support, but that support isn't going to be unconditional. And it shouldn't be. My only issue in this thread is with the shitty comment telling the people to shut up and not worry about it. It's Christmas morning. We've just finished opening gifts. You should know that none of my comments on this thread are meant with any malicious intent. This is just a discussion to me. |
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Lots of really touchy folks in LE on here. Yes, I pay my taxes! Lots of them! In fact more than most. That's exactly why I question crap like this, because I can. In all actuality it's my duty as a tax payer and voter to make sure that all levels of my government that I pay for is representing me to my satisifaction. I don't have to lobby, I can just call my elected official and let him know I feel, he can then do his job. If not, I vote accordingly. And yes, I vote every election. Sorry if your feelings are getting hurt. But I have the absolute right to piss and moan, or for that matter revel about anything I please, just as you do.
We learn by absorbing information, I learned a lot about this product just by going to it's website. Yes, it seems useful in nabbing those on the run, but it also seems expensive, and one of the answers to it's cost is by putting it on the prowl to seek out those that owe. We have measures in place for collecting taxes that work just fine without giving LE another job to do in the name of collecting more revenue for our totally broke but out of control government that continues to spend like a drunken sailor...... I am not bashing LE. You guys have a tough job. I'm not sure where the guy making $10 hour works, but I have several friends in LE that make a very handsome living. There is nothing wrong with pay comensurate to the job, you guys put your life on the line and should be compensated for it justly. My big issue with most government jobs period is the unfunded pension plans. There is no way to pay for them.
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I'm not touchy or butthurt at all. I absolutely think you have a right to bitch and ask questions about where your tax dollars go. You can got to city hall or the county court house and ask to see expenditures for all departments. There are things that you cannot see like ongoing investigations, undercover operations, cases involving juveniles etc and for good reason. If you don't agree with how the money is being spent call your alderman, go to meetings or better yet run for one of the seats. Hell if a few of you guys were aldermen or lackluster firearms training may improve.
I honestly fell traffic enforcement is important for highway safety. Now enforcement doesn't mean always mean writing a ticket, I give a lot of warnings. That being said if I stop someone doing 15 over(the minimum my chief wants us to write for) and dispatch advises the person has numerous traffic tickets a verbal warning is most likely not gonna get through. With expired plates, I get that people forget and that's where officer discretion comes in. A lot of times these same peoe won't have insurance(you all love to get hit by this guy) no safety inspection(these POS sedans need to be running down the road at double the speed limit) and a lot of time the drivers license are revoked/suspended(though suspending a DL for non payment of child support doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, how is he supposed to get to work). Now for my massive salery. I made 41k and change this year with OT and I am working on year 18 as a LEO. My huge pension is considered part of my salery and is paid in monthly at about 40 dollars a month. It is run by a private company and after the monthly payment there is no further obligation to the city/taxpayers. I can draw it at age 55 and it will pay 1700 a month but I get no health care at all after retirement. Outside of St Louis and St Charles Counties on he east side of the state this is about average for police officers and the more rural you go the worse it gets. All of this info I posted is public record with every agence BTW. I fail to see where this pension plan or my salery is a unsustainable drain on tax dollars. In conclusion I do believe the public has a duty to question where their tax dollars go, more than enough money does get wasted and there does need to be checks in place. Merry Christmas Jerry |