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10/4/2011 5:25:13 PM EDT
What qualifies a person to teach section (iv), other than the obvious being an attorney?


28.425j Pistol training or safety program; conditions.

Sec. 5j.

(1) A pistol training or safety program described in section 5b(7)(c) meets the requirements for knowledge or training in the safe use and handling of a pistol only if the program consists of not less than 8 hours of instruction and all of the following conditions are met:

(a) The program is certified by this state or a national or state firearms training organization and provides 5 hours of instruction in, but is not limited to providing instruction in, all of the following:

(i) The safe storage, use, and handling of a pistol including, but not limited to, safe storage, use, and handling to protect child safety.

(ii) Ammunition knowledge, and the fundamentals of pistol shooting.

(iii) Pistol shooting positions.

(iv) Firearms and the law, including civil liability issues and the use of deadly force. This portion shall be taught by an attorney or an individual trained in the use of deadly force.

(v) Avoiding criminal attack and controlling a violent confrontation.

(vi) All laws that apply to carrying a concealed pistol in this state.

(b) The program provides at least 3 hours of instruction on a firing range and requires firing at least 30 rounds of ammunition.

(c) The program provides a certificate of completion that states the program complies with the requirements of this section and that the individual successfully completed the course, and that contains the printed name and signature of the course instructor. Not later than October 1, 2004, the certificate of completion shall contain the statement, “This course complies with section 5j of 1927 PA 372.”

(d) The instructor of the course is certified by this state or a national organization to teach the 8-hour pistol safety training course described in this section.

(2) A person shall not do either of the following:

(a) Grant a certificate of completion described under subsection (1)(c) to an individual knowing the individual did not satisfactorily complete the course.

(b) Present a certificate of completion described under subsection (1)(c) to a concealed weapon licensing board knowing that the individual did not satisfactorily complete the course.

(3) A person who violates subsection (2) is guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not more than 4 years or a fine of not more than $2,500.00, or both.

(4) A concealed weapons licensing board shall not require that a specific form, color, wording, or other content appear on a certificate of completion, except as provided in subsection (5), and shall accept as valid a certificate of completion issued prior to the effective date of the amendatory act that added this subsection that contains an inaccurate reference or no reference to this section but otherwise complies with this section.

(5) Beginning October 1, 2004, a concealed weapons licensing board shall require that a certificate of completion contain the statement, “This course complies with section 5j of 1927 PA 372.”.

10/4/2011 7:59:15 PM EDT
[#1]
An individual trained in the use of deadly force.

Like a LEO
10/4/2011 8:28:01 PM EDT
[#2]
I've always stuck with a Lawyer or MCOLES certified officer.
10/4/2011 11:32:20 PM EDT
[#3]
I know someone who was in the U.S. Infantry. He says he was trained in the use of a Whole Lot of deadly force.
10/5/2011 2:01:54 AM EDT
[#4]
I had an LEO tell me that stuff.
10/5/2011 2:35:46 PM EDT
[#5]
According to the EMail I exchanged with the MSP any Michigan law enforcement officer qualifies to teach that section as far as the state is concerned.  However whoever did your certification may (or may not) have stricter rules and you'll have to follow them to.
10/6/2011 9:04:32 AM EDT
[#6]
Thanks.
10/6/2011 1:21:48 PM EDT
[#7]
There is a problem with the State law and the NRA Personal Protection in the Home course. State law states that a "person" trained in use of deadly force. The NRA course states that you have to have a "Post" certified police officer or attorney teach the legal portion of the course. Of course, there is no "Post" certified, as it has changed to the MCOLES certification. Which also only pertains to full time police officers.

So to answer your question, if it's a NRA Personal Protection in the Home course that is being used for the CPL class, it must be a full time police offier or attorney. Retired police officers and others do not count. According to the way the law is written and the way the NRA manual is written, if you do not use a MCOLES certified full time police officer or licensed attorney, you are in violation of state law and are committing a felony.

If you are getting your CPL certification through an MCOLES course, then the state law is good enough and will be taught by a full time police officer anyway.
10/6/2011 5:25:16 PM EDT
[#8]
Thanks again for all the responses (save one smart ass, which actually went against AR15.com lore of being the first response and correct response).

Reason I ask is I knew there was some sort of stipulation in Michigan Law and I have a buddy of mine who is a Michigan resident, and I teach the Ohio course, our only stipulation is you hand the student a copy of the CCW Law Book provided by the state.

Can anyone recommend an instructor near the Michigan Border in the area of Sylvania/Toledo, OH?

Thanks
Scott
10/7/2011 12:10:20 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Thanks again for all the responses (save one smart ass, which actually went against AR15.com lore of being the first response and correct response).

Reason I ask is I knew there was some sort of stipulation in Michigan Law and I have a buddy of mine who is a Michigan resident, and I teach the Ohio course, our only stipulation is you hand the student a copy of the CCW Law Book provided by the state.

Can anyone recommend an instructor near the Michigan Border in the area of Sylvania/Toledo, OH?

Thanks
Scott




It's an hour away in Jackson, but your buddy won't be sorry. Brad does a great job.

Patriot Defense Training LLC.

www.PatriotDefenseTraining.com

He's got a class coming up on the 29th.
10/7/2011 5:32:36 PM EDT
[#10]
We will be happy to have your friend in our next MI. CPL class. (Sat. Oct. 29th)
Have him contact me @ [email protected]

forrest -
10/7/2011 7:30:06 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
We will be happy to have your friend in our next MI. CPL class. (Sat. Oct. 29th)
Have him contact me @ [email protected]

forrest -


Will pass along your info, he is a small business owner so I'm not sure of his availability.

Thanks
Scott