Posted: 1/22/2013 7:59:59 AM EDT
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So here's a question posed to me by my dad yesterday, which caused me to think.
he says to me: Im a small business owner and my number one goal is to make money. Even when the government gets intrusive I still find creative ways to make more money on top of their taxes and fees. However if the government, either federal or state comes to me and says "you either do this or we will shut you down" i think I'm probably going to have to comply with them rather then go out of business because this is my livleyhood. So take a indoor range owner/ gunsmith for instance. Most likely he is a small business owner and it is quite possible that his range is his only true source of income. The State comes to him and says the following "If you are working on someones gun or you see someone bring in a weapon that you know to be or have reasonable suspicion that it is an illegal weapon in this state you must report it. If you do not and we find out, we will shut you down no questions asked. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars." I would like to think in a perfect world these guys would say Fuck you NY, and never say a word, but then one range/ smith gets shut down by the state a few months from now....do we see this survival mode come alive. Do we start worrying about our own friends ratting us out and going all Nazi germany on us? It is an honest question that I really did not have an answer to, and I wondered if any of you had thought about this, and come up with a real answer. If there is one thing I know about many americans, it is that they talk very togh, but when the pliers squeeze on thier nuts a little bit, they spill thier guts. I only bring this up here, because we were tlaking with an individual who has some knowledge of the current legistlative decisions, and this idea was floated as a cheap way to enforce their laws. |
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First off trust no one
Second it may be in your own best interest to get yourself in a position to work on your own hardware so you don't have to get others involved, especially someone you don't know involving anything that might be construed as illegal (even if it isn't). You may beat the rap but you won't beat the ride. This all revolves around operational security which in this day and age is getting a bit more difficult to do but you should still try your hardest to adhere to it. |
| Its funny you say that because im putting together funds over the next 2 weeks to buy my own drill press for recievers and a really nice set of speciallty smithing tools. Probably gonna spend as much on that as a full AR10 but it will help out in the future. I already reload, so this is the next logical step. |
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If you haven't already you might want to check into small footprint CNCs, with one you can make just about every part for the AR platform (and most other platforms) with the exception of the barrel and springs.
If you want to take reloading even further you could also get into bullet swaging and case forming. Primers are a bit dangerous to do and I believe illegal to posses as it is technically an explosive but I may be wrong on that one. |
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If you haven't already you might want to check into small footprint CNCs, with one you can make just about every part for the AR platform (and most other platforms) with the exception of the barrel and springs. If you want to take reloading even further you could also get into bullet swaging and case forming. Primers are a bit dangerous to do and I believe illegal to posses as it is technically an explosive but I may be wrong on that one. Do you do any of the other ammunition forming? I have not been able to find anyone who has actually done any of that. I would love to really learn how as that would probably cut my costs down even further. |
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If you haven't already you might want to check into small footprint CNCs, with one you can make just about every part for the AR platform (and most other platforms) with the exception of the barrel and springs. If you want to take reloading even further you could also get into bullet swaging and case forming. Primers are a bit dangerous to do and I believe illegal to posses as it is technically an explosive but I may be wrong on that one. Do you do any of the other ammunition forming? I have not been able to find anyone who has actually done any of that. I would love to really learn how as that would probably cut my costs down even further. Currently I have done just reloading and casting, I just started researching swaging and case forming since components are getting scarce. I'll find my links for swaging and post them. Primers are going to be the hard part in the end. In the end I think its more about component availability than cost savings even though you may end up getting both. |
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If you haven't already you might want to check into small footprint CNCs, with one you can make just about every part for the AR platform (and most other platforms) with the exception of the barrel and springs. If you want to take reloading even further you could also get into bullet swaging and case forming. Primers are a bit dangerous to do and I believe illegal to posses as it is technically an explosive but I may be wrong on that one. Do you do any of the other ammunition forming? I have not been able to find anyone who has actually done any of that. I would love to really learn how as that would probably cut my costs down even further. FatMcNasty (i think that is his screen name) has an extensive thread on turning 22 fired cases into .223 ammo in GD IIRC |
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If you haven't already you might want to check into small footprint CNCs, with one you can make just about every part for the AR platform (and most other platforms) with the exception of the barrel and springs. If you want to take reloading even further you could also get into bullet swaging and case forming. Primers are a bit dangerous to do and I believe illegal to posses as it is technically an explosive but I may be wrong on that one. Do you do any of the other ammunition forming? I have not been able to find anyone who has actually done any of that. I would love to really learn how as that would probably cut my costs down even further. FatMcNasty (i think that is his screen name) has an extensive thread on turning 22 fired cases into .223 ammo in GD IIRC Im actually a much bigger fan of the AR10 platform. I have over 400 fired cases that are just sitting in my closet. I figure that I will just keep them empty until i need to fill them. Hopefully it never happens and when this madness dies down i can get 7.62 ammo for the same old 14-18 bucks a box. Any links on stuff specific to 7.62/ 308 win case forming and such would be fantastic as well. |
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If you haven't already you might want to check into small footprint CNCs, with one you can make just about every part for the AR platform (and most other platforms) with the exception of the barrel and springs. If you want to take reloading even further you could also get into bullet swaging and case forming. Primers are a bit dangerous to do and I believe illegal to posses as it is technically an explosive but I may be wrong on that one. Do you do any of the other ammunition forming? I have not been able to find anyone who has actually done any of that. I would love to really learn how as that would probably cut my costs down even further. FatMcNasty (i think that is his screen name) has an extensive thread on turning 22 fired cases into .223 ammo in GD IIRC Im actually a much bigger fan of the AR10 platform. I have over 400 fired cases that are just sitting in my closet. I figure that I will just keep them empty until i need to fill them. Hopefully it never happens and when this madness dies down i can get 7.62 ammo for the same old 14-18 bucks a box. Any links on stuff specific to 7.62/ 308 win case forming and such would be fantastic as well. Ask and ye shall receive! http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1409197_308_bullets_out_of_223_brass__A_working_log__Success_.html |
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If you haven't already you might want to check into small footprint CNCs, with one you can make just about every part for the AR platform (and most other platforms) with the exception of the barrel and springs. If you want to take reloading even further you could also get into bullet swaging and case forming. Primers are a bit dangerous to do and I believe illegal to posses as it is technically an explosive but I may be wrong on that one. Do you do any of the other ammunition forming? I have not been able to find anyone who has actually done any of that. I would love to really learn how as that would probably cut my costs down even further. FatMcNasty (i think that is his screen name) has an extensive thread on turning 22 fired cases into .223 ammo in GD IIRC Im actually a much bigger fan of the AR10 platform. I have over 400 fired cases that are just sitting in my closet. I figure that I will just keep them empty until i need to fill them. Hopefully it never happens and when this madness dies down i can get 7.62 ammo for the same old 14-18 bucks a box. Any links on stuff specific to 7.62/ 308 win case forming and such would be fantastic as well. Ask and ye shall receive! http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1409197_308_bullets_out_of_223_brass__A_working_log__Success_.html That, my friend, is fan fucking tastic! |