Posted: 12/17/2008 2:21:27 PM EDT
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I hate seeing . . . "well I really hate to let it go! but here I have a stripped doublestar lower that I'm willing to part with for only 250.00!" good god!! I understand the whole supply and demand, free-market capitalism, seller's choice, yadda yadda yadda. . . . but I remember seeing those things for like 60.00$ mere months ago! And actual industry vendors are no better! I can understand 15% or even 25% markups but 75 or 100%?? This is just pure price gouging greed fueled by scare tactics which began before Obama was even a candidate!
Not like I didn't see this coming months if not years in advance (Obama had this in the bag) but I've been a poor college student the past 4 years and now I'm a poor college grad with student loans! and I really don't see myself having the type of money to allocate buying a (now) 1100.00 former bargain bin rifle anytime in the near future! ANYWAYS, now my question, and i'm not particularly optimistic about the hive's opinion, but once Obama gets inaugurated and months pass by (hypothetically) does anyone think the price of the AR/AK will fall?? Anyways, you may now commence the flamming. . 
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I hate seeing . . . "well I really hate to let it go! but here I have a stripped doublestar lower that I'm willing to part with for only 250.00!" good god!! I understand the whole supply and demand, free-market capitalism, seller's choice, yadda yadda yadda. . . . but I remember seeing those things for like 60.00$ mere months ago! And actual industry vendors are no better! I can understand 15% or even 25% markups but 75 or 100%?? This is just pure price gouging greed fueled by scare tactics which began before Obama was even a candidate! Not like I didn't see this coming months if not years in advance (Obama had this in the bag) but I've been a poor college student the past 4 years and now I'm a poor college grad with student loans! and I really don't see myself having the type of money to allocate buying a (now) 1100.00 former bargain bin rifle anytime in the near future! ANYWAYS, now my question, and i'm not particularly optimistic about the hive's opinion, but once Obama gets inaugurated and months pass by (hypothetically) does anyone think the price of the AR/AK will fall?? Anyways, you may now commence the flamming. . Only if no ban follows. Don't hold your breath. |
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once Obama gets inaugurated and months pass by (hypothetically) does anyone think the price of the AR/AK will fall?? If no ban legislation happens, yeah, it will fall. If a ban does come, hopefully you have $600 or $700 for a stripped lower (that someone hates to part with  ).
Even though demand is up, there are still some places with decent prices. ArmaLite allows you to backorder items. I have an AR-10 lower for $227 on order. Beats the $400-700 that are trying to get on Gunbroker and in the EE for the same thing, and ArmaLite is very good about backorders.
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I like to rant about the second poster quoting the entire fucking OP to make a one sentence response. /rant You sound like that ka3b guy..... FAIL!!!!!!!!!! Who are you, and why did you steal KA3B's login???????  
If that were really KA3B, it'd read llike this: NO FUCKING WAY! There's fuck-all little enough cocksucking or cumswallerin' let alone lowdown booger lubricated shitstain mastabutory features in that fucking post. The holy flying fuck-squirril of a shitheaded thought expressed in that fucking response is the vaginal cheese humping work of an cock-lipped imposter. FIXT!!!! 
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I like to rant about the second poster quoting the entire fucking OP to make a one sentence response. /rant You sound like that ka3b guy..... FAIL!!!!!!!!!! Who are you, and why did you steal KA3B's login???????
If that were really KA3B, it'd read llike this: NO FUCKING WAY! There's fuck-all little enough cocksucking or cumswallerin' let alone lowdown booger lubricated shitstain mastabutory features in that fucking post. The holy flying fuck-squirril of a shitheaded thought expressed in that fucking response is the vaginal cheese humping work of an cock-lipped imposter. FIXT!!!!
Thats the stuff I was expecting in the other thread today. |
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The simple answer is, so long as supply is limited and someone is willing to pay the rediculous price, the prices will not fall. If everyone refused to pay that price, it will eventually come down.
The definition of fair market value is what a reasonable person is willing to pay. But of course it's never that simple. I only consider a dealer to be gouging when they jack up the prices to rediculous levels without incurring any additional costs (basicly over inflating their margin) regardless of supply and demand. When a dealer jacks up their prices in response to a hike in costs or overhead, they are not gouging, they are just maintaining their margin. If it's really just a supply and demand issue, the manufacturers/distributors would be raising their prices to stabilize their business, forcing the dealers to raise their prices to maintain the margin. I don't believe this is the case yet as I have not heard of any major price hikes at the manufacturer/distributor level. Allot of dealers are taking advantage of the situation and I think in the long run, it will come back to bite them in the ass. The gun community is very slow to forget betrayal (regardless of how minor). There are at least a half dozen dealers who made my "will never buy from again" list the day after the election. There are some reputable dealers out there who have pledged to not raise their prices unless their costs go up. For instance, you can still buy pmags for $15 dollars (it's just hard to catch them while in stock), even though other dealers are trying to sell for $20-$30. |
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Even a poor college student should have been able to scrape up $100, (where exactly were the $60 lowers at??) for a stripped lower and planned a future build in the previous 4 years since the AW ban expired in '04.
I have NO sympathy for anyone that dragged their feet until AFTER the election to buy gun stuff. Plenty of opportunity even on a shoestring budget to buy mags or lowers BEFORE the election. Its about priorities. As for sellers selling whatever they bought before the election at a profit now, well thats the way it works in a "free" economy. Sellers buy an item and attempt to make money on it by asking more then they paid for it. If it seems higher then the buyer is willing to pay, they simply pass it up and go on to the next seller who's possibly more in line with what the buyer thinks it's worth. If you want to see serious price "gouging" wait til there's a ban with a 30-90 day window before the law takes effect. The sky's the limit on stupidity.. And as for all this talk about how it'll be months before any firearms laws can be enacted, you obviously didnt learn any lessons from the "$700 billion dollar bail out" package. 300+ Amendments added on and made law within 24 hours of passing congress attached too "must pass legislation". Thats how it'll be done, just like the '86 machine gun ban. ETA: As far as supply and demand goes, name a vendor who has large of amounts of lowers in stock? Name a manufacturer who has them in stock? Doublestar is 3-4 months +( no hard date given) backordered although their 100 unit prices is still under $80 a unit if that makes it any better. Mega? Uhmm...ya they're making lowers or something, no recent deliveries and no one knows when exactly they'll be delivering. I can't even begin to guess with Bushmaster/DPMS/Armalite/RRA/Stag. Some of the boutique manufacturers with $250 billet lowers might have a few in stock still, but hell when a stripped Stag/Mega/DPMS/Doublestar is $200 whats an extra $50 for a built in trigger guard and a billet machined?
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now I'm a poor college grad with student loans! Did you know the Army has a Student Loan Repayment Program, which will pay back up to $65,000 in student loans? Additionally, the Army offers up to a $40,000 cash bonus.
And a spare 2k when you put my Social on your App under *referral*
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Even a poor college student should have been able to scrape up $100, (where exactly were the $60 lowers at??) for a stripped lower and planned a future build in the previous 4 years since the AW ban expired in '04.
I have NO sympathy for anyone that dragged their feet until AFTER the election to buy gun stuff. Plenty of opportunity even on a shoestring budget to buy mags or lowers BEFORE the election. Its about priorities. I actually spent ALL the spare money I had (should have been paying off loans!) assembling an aresnal I could be comfertable with. . . I HAD a Tromix Saiga 12, Yugo Underfolder, tricked out Remington 870 express, Sig 226SCT, and tricked out ruger 10/22 . . .This collection took me close to every free penny I've had in the past 4 years. . BUT my parents (quite liberal and avid anti-firearm) told me that they'd be willing to match whatever money I could scrape together so I could travel after my graduation, and my priority at the time was traveling (obviouslly with the intent of coming back and reassembling my once great collection). . . Sadly I only have the sig226SCT and my 10/22 now. . . Your right, it is about priorities, and I literally cringe every time I think about how I might not EVER own a bad ass mag fed shotgun but then again. . I slept with a whole lot of foreign girls in Australia sooo I guess easy come easy go. . .Anyways I didn't anticipate on the shitty economy and price gouging soooo y-e-a hence my rant (did you all see that guy who put up like 10 Ak's on the E.E. for 1800 a pop RIGHT after Obama got elected??). . . Anyways yea maybe my priorities are backwards , and I'm not asking for your sympathy, but at some point I hope, and I pray I can atleast finance an AR before they are completely out of my reach!!!! And as for all this talk about how it'll be months before any firearms laws can be enacted, you obviously didnt learn any lessons from the "$700 billion dollar bail out" package. 300+ Amendments added on and made law within 24 hours of passing congress attached too "must pass legislation". Thats how it'll be done, just like the '86 machine gun ban.
And I have to respectfully disagree on the comparison between a democratically backed AWB and the "700 billion dollar bail out package" When the global economy collapses immediate action is needed. . . whether or not that action is coherent, or positive, or effective (obviously don't feel as such) is up to debate, but people expect some sort of action and government in some form will deliver. . Same scenario with the (9/11) attacks. . in which immediate action is necessary. . These are both scenarios in which some sort of action is expected in an expedited manner. . . but I don't believe our lawmakers could make the same argument (at least with a similar sense of urgency) with a 09 AWB. . At the very least I expect a good amount of dialogue, debate, and opposition to any impending AWB. . . . And I would be willing to bet we don't see an AWB for months. . .I'd even throw a couple bucks on it
Picture below is what keeps me up at night 
Edited for spelling! And oh ya, my buddy is a recruiter for the Army. . . so trust me I've already been down that route. . at this point looking for a nice job in Seattle! |
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The prices suck now, but then again we knew they would. I started stocking up after the last ban. I have spent a lot of money buy up what I wanted in the last 4 years. Some of it was as an investment, some I intended to keep. The last ban caught me in a bad spot. I was too young to buy and had no money. Price gouging is a word that seems to be getting misused a lot lately. Price Gouging has to do more with the purposeful inflating of a nessacity during a crisis. $10 a gallon gas after a hurricane is gouging. A $300 stripped lower after the election is an example of someone who was prepared. I do not fault anyone for selling at a profit, but I think it is too soon. I too will someday sell off what I don't need anymore, when prices are higher.
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^^^ +1
I turned 21 two weeks before the last ban started. I learned my lesson then. Glock mags went from $20 to anywhere from $75-125 a piece. I've spent the last 4 years stocking up whenever I had extra funds available. While I don't have everything I want, I definitely have what I need. ...at least I did before the boating accident.
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And I have to respectfully disagree on the comparison between a democratically backed AWB and the "700 billion dollar bail out package" When the global economy collapses immediate action is needed. . . whether or not that action is coherent, or positive, or effective (obviously don't feel as such) is up to debate, but people expect some sort of action and government in some form will deliver. . Same scenario with the (9/11) attacks. . in which immediate action is necessary. . These are both scenarios in which some sort of action is expected in an expedited manner. . . but I don't believe our lawmakers could make the same argument (at least with a similar sense of urgency) with a 09 AWB. . At the very least I expect a good amount of dialogue, debate, and opposition to any impending AWB. . . . It's painfully obvious that you are ignorant of how the '86 machine gun ban was enacted or how the '94 assault weapons ban went through. With democrats in charge of Congress and a democrat as President there will be no need for any debate. When obamafislammajamma takes office and when Congress starts back up an assault weapons ban can be placed as a rider onto any piece of legislation (which is what will happen) and it will be passed. |
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The world in 1986 was a very different place than it is now. . . All about priorities, and I believe we have plenty of those ahead of an AWB. . . . . and since I've been lurking on here for some time, and have had the luxury to read your previous posts. . . I'd again respectfully disagree and call you the painfully ignorant one
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