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10/3/2007 10:25:52 PM EDT
Ok, I asked this before, but now I actually have the brass and some bullets in hand.  Does anyone know anything about or want to attempt reloading .451 Detonics?  This is more of a favor to my future father in law.  He was very excited when I said might know some people that could/would help if I paid them enough!  There is no hurry what so ever on this.  We got talking about it tonight and I offered try and help...

10/4/2007 7:49:51 AM EDT
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Sounds like a 45ACP on steroids.  Do you have dies, either .45ACP or Detonics?  

We have a reloader already set up for .45ACP, wouldn't be an issue to reset the crimp and seat dies.  Everything else should be the same.  As long as you have loading data, and the gun (test for function with dummy rounds), we could whip out 500 rounds in an hour or so.  How many do you need to load?
10/4/2007 8:35:40 AM EDT
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Sounds like a 45ACP on steroids.  Do you have dies, either .45ACP or Detonics?  

We have a reloader already set up for .45ACP, wouldn't be an issue to reset the crimp and seat dies.  Everything else should be the same.  As long as you have loading data, and the gun (test for function with dummy rounds), we could whip out 500 rounds in an hour or so.  How many do you need to load?



They pretty much are juiced up .45 rounds.  I personally don't have any equipment for reloading.  I currently have about 100 (maybe 150 rounds of spent .451 detonics brass (he's looking for the other bag of virgin brass) and I'm not sure how many bullets (they are loose in a bag).  I've looked on gun broker and it looks like the bullets are available fairly easy (the brass is the costly part).  Everything that I've looked up so far, you can use .45 ACP dies with no problem.  Dino informed me that the .451 dies are very hard to find and very expensive.  I do have acess to the gun if needed.  I also have the reloading specs, from a old box of original loads that he had.

Beer and Lunch is on me, and of course cost of needed supplies if anyone is willing to help!
10/4/2007 8:41:58 AM EDT
[#3]
I reload the 460 rowland which is also longer than the standard 45 acp with a thicker head and side wall cartrige tapered for a standard .451 projectile.

The website info I read days it was a 308 cut down, is this so ? can you tell by examining a cartrige ?

10/4/2007 8:47:23 AM EDT
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I reload the 460 rowland which is also longer than the standard 45 acp with a thicker head and side wall cartrige tapered for a standard .451 projectile.

The website info I read days it was a 308 cut down, is this so ? can you tell by examining a cartrige ?




All the brass that I looked at last night is actually head stamped "Detonics .451".  I believe these are all Detonics original cases.  I've read you can use cut down .308 as well, but there is a curve in the back of the case on 308 that is not there on the .451 case allowing less load.

10/4/2007 8:56:26 AM EDT
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I reload the 460 rowland which is also longer than the standard 45 acp with a thicker head and side wall cartrige tapered for a standard .451 projectile.

The website info I read days it was a 308 cut down, is this so ? can you tell by examining a cartrige ?




All the brass that I looked at last night is actually head stamped "Detonics .451".  I believe these are all Detonics original cases.  I've read you can use cut down .308 as well, but there is a curve in the back of the case on 308 that is not there on the .451 case allowing less load.



Pistol loads are rarely a bulk issue, most leave lots of room in the case.
10/4/2007 9:19:12 AM EDT
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I reload the 460 rowland which is also longer than the standard 45 acp with a thicker head and side wall cartrige tapered for a standard .451 projectile.

The website info I read days it was a 308 cut down, is this so ? can you tell by examining a cartrige ?




All the brass that I looked at last night is actually head stamped "Detonics .451".  I believe these are all Detonics original cases.  I've read you can use cut down .308 as well, but there is a curve in the back of the case on 308 that is not there on the .451 case allowing less load.



The 44 automag was a cut down 308 but when measuring the 308 case it's outside diameter is smaller with a very thick case wall that is too small inside diameter to accept a .451 without turning the excess metal out and fire forming the brass.

I would like to know the difference between 451D and the 460Rowland which is a true 451 bullet dia.

Unless the OD of the case is smaller than a 45acp regular dies should work fine, both for sizing and seating and crimping.