Posted: 11/30/2009 12:43:18 AM EDT
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Im looking into building my first SBR but have several questions I'm hoping some of you are able to answer from experience!
First question is that, living in Jackson County, is the Sheriff my only option to use as the CLEO? Anybody here from Jackson County? How did you go about this? Second, is there anyone in Oregon who does the required engraving on the lowers? The closer to Southern Oregon the better. I have heard of companies that will do it but that involves sending the lower off and dealing with FFLs, which is time consuming and tedious from my experience. Can any old engraving business do this? Like a trophy shop or something similar? Thanks for any and all help! |
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Have you considered the silver-solder suppressor approach?
If you permanently attach a silencer (or any other muzzle accessory) to a barrel, the new combined length becomes the barrel length per ATF regs. The attachment can be pinned, welded, or silver-soldered. Example = a 1.6" brake on a 14.5" barrel makes the barrel a legal 16" overall. Better example: if you silver-solder a can to an 11.5" barrel, your new length is over 16". Only one stamp required (for the can). It's not an SBR. No engraving. A MAPP torch, some flux, some solder, and some heat-stop paste is all you need. You can unsolder it in 5 minutes if you want the can off for cleaning. Just be sure to solder it back on immediately after cleaning. Just a thought... I don't know the ins and outs of SBR, but somebody else will ring in to help. |
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I do all my class III stuff on a trust. WAY easier; no LEO signoff, no pictures, no waiting for FBI background check... And when your kids are old enough, given they are on the trust, they can "posses/carry" the NFA items. I had Pat at Oregon Research Labs engrave my lowers. I think he charged me $25 for three lines of engraving on two AR lowers. One letter went a little bit deep, but did not affect function and you really can't notice it. I'd have him do more for me. cheers, Benji |
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I would go to a trophy engraving shop since there are probably some near you. Just give them the ATF marking requirements to make sure they can meet them (1/16"+ height, Roman letters, Arabic numerals, .003" depth, IIRC).
I would do this before you even send in the form 1 application. That way you can make sure the markings come out ok and also not find yourself in a situation where the NFA weapon (if approved) is out of your possession and control without the engraver being an FFL. If an AR it is probably also easier for the engraver to work with a stripped lower. Then you could even assemble it and make sure everything is in spec before you send the form 1 in. |
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I would go to a trophy engraving shop since there are probably some near you. Just give them the ATF marking requirements to make sure they can meet them (1/16"+ height, Roman letters, Arabic numerals, .003" depth, IIRC). I would do this before you even send in the form 1 application. That way you can make sure the markings come out ok and also not find yourself in a situation where the NFA weapon (if approved) is out of your possession and control without the engraver being an FFL. If an AR it is probably also easier for the engraver to work with a stripped lower. Then you could even assemble it and make sure everything is in spec before you send the form 1 in. Sans butstock/short barrel combo right? 
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Winters is pro Form1 & 4 I've had 4 go through him so far.
http://www.oregonshooter.com/index.php/articles/view/how_to_buy_a_suppressor_in_jackson_county_oregon same process as above with different form. |
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Winters is pro Form1 & 4 I've had 4 go through him so far. http://www.oregonshooter.com/index.php/articles/view/how_to_buy_a_suppressor_in_jackson_county_oregon same process as above with different form. Okay awesome. Good to know Winters will support this. I guess I just need to get the forms and get rolling now then. |
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That writeup was my first NFA, I take my own pictures against the white kitchen wall now and print them out to save $15.00 and time. I've read many print them directly to the form instead of gluing them on. I will do this next time myself.
The JCSO takes less than a week to sign-off usually. |
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Just clarifying for others since "assemble it" could be taken a few different ways. Not in the context I used it, but you are right. It should be clarified that if you have all of the parts to assemble an NFA weapon then you are already guilty of possessing an NFA weapon in the eyes of BATFE. No assembly is required. |
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Not exactly, but close.
If I have an SBR AR15 lower, (2) more non-sbr lowers, (1) 9" upper, and (2) 16" uppers I have the parts to make an illegal SBR on 2 lowers and a legal one on 1 lower. You gotta prove intent. Having one Form1 lower gets rid of intent for parts on all combos. |
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Not exactly, but close. If I have an SBR AR15 lower, (2) more non-sbr lowers, (1) 9" upper, and (2) 16" uppers I have the parts to make an illegal SBR on 2 lowers and a legal one on 1 lower. You gotta prove intent. Having one Form1 lower gets rid of intent for parts on all combos. Not fully true, but a slightly better attempt than mine. You are right about the parts if the person owns enough SBR or pistol lowers to cover all of the short barrels owned. The OP said this is his first SBR though and I didn't bother to specify anything about pistol lowers. It would be nice if intent would have to be proven but the BATFE has ways around that. David Olofson, and many others who have been shafted by them, would probably agree with me. When talking about a bureaucracy that has no testing or process guidelines and free rein to enforce firearms law how they see fit, and US attorneys who will back them up, it is best to play it safe. Anyone who has short barreled uppers and not enough SBR or pistol lowers to cover each one, but has rifle lowers, is not safe from prosecution. Back to the topic at hand, I would make sure that the fire control group fits and works properly in any lower you intend to make a SBR from. I would also make sure magazines fit properly. Upper to lower fit wouldn't be as big a concern but might be helpful to check. Usually there are enough variances in different uppers that even if one were tight or loose fitting you could likely find one that fits. If you have the engraving done on a stripped lower and find out later that it is out of spec then you are only out the cost of engraving and there is no law about having your name and city,state engraved on a firearm that is not NFA registered. |
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I'm not aware of anyone being charged with intent when they owned one SBR lower, any links to such?
PS. Make sure you mark the lower where it can be seen easily. The front of the magwell is popular. Also, check with APEX Machining in White City. Joe Ivory is a gun guy and runs a full CNC shop that should be able to handle the job. |
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Im gonna have this done to a factory built Noveske Lower. It should be in spec... Thanks for all the info guys. I feel that this was the push I needed to start the whole process. as said I'd still engrave first. On the chance something goes wrong you aren't out your $200 stamp |