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1/20/2005 3:48:50 PM EDT
What are the laws / taxes / so on like on your side of the border?  I might look at some houses around Lake Wylie area, I heard SC is cheaper to live the NC.  I work in Gastonia, so it is just over the border.  Will my CHL transfer with no prob?  Thanks for you help, Mad.
1/20/2005 6:30:34 PM EDT
[#1]
i believe sales tax is 1% less here.  generally cost of living is less in SC, but around Lake Wylie it won't be any different.
as far as CHL, you will have to take the 8 hour class here, submit your paperwork, and wait the 90 days.
1/20/2005 6:48:44 PM EDT
[#2]

CHL, you will have to take the 8 hour class here, submit your paperwork, and wait the 90 days.


Only if you're lucky.  SC is not a shall issue state.  I don't know anyone (other than over the Internet, but those few guys might be full of it) that's successfully fought the state police for a permit.  Personally, I've been denied without cause five times.  Over the past four years, I've talked to people at SLED all of the way up to Chief Robert Stewart's office, got the head of the state house, and also a retired state supreme court chief justice to go to bat for me and several friend and relatives that were also denied.  None of us has a permit yet.  Maybe after Stewart retires things will change, but for now, the state police are very anti-CWP.z
1/20/2005 6:55:41 PM EDT
[#3]
Im just right over the border from you all, well the chl part may keep me for moving 10 miles farther that way then.  How close are you all from the border?
1/21/2005 6:28:10 AM EDT
[#4]

Quoted:

CHL, you will have to take the 8 hour class here, submit your paperwork, and wait the 90 days.


Only if you're lucky.  SC is not a shall issue state.  I don't know anyone (other than over the Internet, but those few guys might be full of it) that's successfully fought the state police for a permit.  Personally, I've been denied without cause five times.  Over the past four years, I've talked to people at SLED all of the way up to Chief Robert Stewart's office, got the head of the state house, and also a retired state supreme court chief justice to go to bat for me and several friend and relatives that were also denied.  None of us has a permit yet.  Maybe after Stewart retires things will change, but for now, the state police are very anti-CWP.z


uh, SC IS a shall issue state.  www.packing.org/state/index.jsp/south+carolina.
I haven't heard of anyone around here being denied, in fact, my instructor told me he only had 2 denied in the past 2 years.
For awhile SLED was denying if you had a bunch of traffic violations, but they've recently eased up on that too.

also, they have to submit a reason in writing for your denial....
1/21/2005 6:28:04 PM EDT
[#5]

uh, SC IS a shall issue state.

No it isn't.  SLED can deny any person for any reason.  That isn't shall-issue.

had a bunch of traffic violations

I've never had a speeding ticket or received a ticket for any other type of traffic violation.

also, they have to submit a reason in writing for your denial...

I don't know anyone that's been able to get a reason in writing out of them.  I've talked to quite a few people that don't know why SLED refused to issue a permit.  SLED isn't quite as anti-gun as they were in the 60's, but they're still rabid anti-gun.z
1/21/2005 8:44:25 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

uh, SC IS a shall issue state.

No it isn't.  SLED can deny any person for any reason.  That isn't shall-issue.

had a bunch of traffic violations

I've never had a speeding ticket or received a ticket for any other type of traffic violation.

also, they have to submit a reason in writing for your denial...

I don't know anyone that's been able to get a reason in writing out of them.  I've talked to quite a few people that don't know why SLED refused to issue a permit.  SLED isn't quite as anti-gun as they were in the 60's, but they're still rabid anti-gun.z


negative.  South Carolina is a 'shall-issue permit' state, meaning the "issuing authority has no discretion when to issue Permit/License if the applicant is not disqualified."
If you don't believe me, just look at the law:



SECTION 23-31-215. Issuance of permits. [SC ST SEC 23-31-215]

(A) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, except subject to subsection (B) of this section, SLED must issue a permit, which is no larger than three and one-half inches by three inches in size, to carry a concealable weapon to a resident who is at least twenty-one years of age and who is not prohibited by state law from possessing the weapon upon submission of:

(1) a completed application signed by the person;

(2) one current full face color photograph of the person, not smaller than one inch by one inch nor larger than three inches by five inches;

(3) proof of residence;

(4) proof of actual or corrected vision rated at 20/40 within six months of the date of application or, in the case of a person licensed to operate a motor vehicle in this State, presentation of a valid driver's license;

(5) proof of training;

(6) payment of a fifty-dollar application fee. This fee must be waived for disabled veterans and retired law enforcement officers; and

(7) a complete set of fingerprints unless, because of a medical condition verified in writing by a licensed medical doctor, a complete set of fingerprints is impossible to submit. In lieu of the submission of fingerprints, the applicant must submit the written statement from a licensed medical doctor specifying the reason or reasons why the applicant's fingerprints may not be taken. If all other qualifications are met, the Director of SLED may waive the fingerprint requirements of this item. The statement of medical limitation must be attached to the copy of the application retained by SLED. A law enforcement agency may charge a fee not to exceed five dollars for fingerprinting an applicant.

(B) Upon submission of the items required by subsection (A) of this section, SLED must conduct or facilitate a local, state, and federal fingerprint review of the applicant. SLED must also conduct a background check of the applicant through notification to and input from the sheriff of the county where the applicant resides. The sheriff must, within ten working days after notification by SLED, submit a recommendation on an application. Before making a determination whether or not to issue a permit under this article, SLED must consider the recommendation provided pursuant to this subsection. The failure of the sheriff to submit a recommendation within the ten-day period constitutes a favorable recommendation for the issuance of the permit to the applicant. If the fingerprint review and background check are favorable, SLED must issue the permit.

(C) SLED shall issue a written statement to an unqualified applicant specifying its reasons for denying the application within ninety days from the date the application was received; otherwise, SLED shall issue a concealable weapon permit. If an applicant is unable to comply with the provisions of Section 23-31-210(4), SLED shall offer the applicant a handgun training course that satisfies the requirements of Section 23-31-210(4)(a). The course shall cost fifty dollars. SLED shall use the proceeds to defray the training course's operating costs. If a permit is granted by operation of law because an applicant was not notified of a denial within the ninety-day notification period, the permit may be revoked upon written notification from SLED that sufficient grounds exist for revocation or initial denial.

(D) Denial of an application may be appealed. The appeal must be in writing and state the basis for the appeal. The appeal must be submitted to the Chief of SLED within thirty days from the date the denial notice is received. The chief shall issue a written decision within ten days from the date the appeal is received. An adverse decision shall specify the reasons for upholding the denial and may be reviewed by the Administrative Law Judge Division pursuant to Article 5, Chapter 23 of Title 1, upon a petition filed by an applicant within thirty days from the date of delivery of the division's decision.



like i said earlier, you are the first person i've EVER heard of getting their permit denied here in SC.  You have to be doing something wrong in the fingerprint/picture/class/application process.
i've talked to SLED several times on the phone about the status of my permit when i was waiting on it, and about address changes, and they have been extremely nice and helpful.  not to mention South Carolina has one of the most pro-gun Governor's and AG in the south.
1/22/2005 9:35:52 PM EDT
[#7]
zoom, looks like you need to print that out, and show your state police, and ask why the fuck you've been denied 5 times with no valid reasoning.  
1/24/2005 4:34:49 AM EDT
[#8]
The shall-issue law have been in effect for what, about 5 or 6 years now?

SLED approved class+passing scores (written test & range qual)+finger prints+photo+background check+90 days=CWP.
1/25/2005 11:33:24 AM EDT
[#9]

Quoted:

CHL, you will have to take the 8 hour class here, submit your paperwork, and wait the 90 days.


Only if you're lucky.  SC is not a shall issue state.  I don't know anyone (other than over the Internet, but those few guys might be full of it) that's successfully fought the state police for a permit.  Personally, I've been denied without cause five times.  Over the past four years, I've talked to people at SLED all of the way up to Chief Robert Stewart's office, got the head of the state house, and also a retired state supreme court chief justice to go to bat for me and several friend and relatives that were also denied.  None of us has a permit yet.  Maybe after Stewart retires things will change, but for now, the state police are very anti-CWP.z



Zoom,
I have had and allowed to expire my CCW originally in 1997. Expired in 2001. I just this weekend re-did the training aspect and will re-apply this week. I expect mine to take appx 2 weeks since it's almost a re-newal. Pardon my observations, but you have got to be the most unlucky SOB I have ever had experience to know of. Nothing ever goes right for you. Accused of DUI regularly, kel-tec's that don't work, denied 5 times for CCW etc......... You may have been turned down for medical reasons as you obviously have some condition that causes every cop in the upstate to pull you for DUI. I have never met you and really wonder if you are for real. SHit I remember you saying you couldn't find a place to shoot for your CMP rifle. I offered in that thread to help you. No response. I wonder if you really even care or just want to bitch. Just as absolute said, you are the only person I have heard of to be turned down. Good luck to you for once if you really are a real person.
1/27/2005 3:03:34 AM EDT
[#10]
Well, Gun-Fan,  it seems that you've effectively killed this discussion.

I used to tell my Mom that my brother hit me "for no good reason", but that wasn't really true.  I gave him plenty of reasons.  Most times when there is a trend of consequences there is a cause behind them.  
1/27/2005 3:24:37 AM EDT
[#11]

Quoted:
Well, Gun-Fan,  it seems that you've effectively killed this discussion.

I used to tell my Mom that my brother hit me "for no good reason", but that wasn't really true.  I gave him plenty of reasons.  Most times when there is a trend of consequences there is a cause behind them.  


Sorry, that wasn't my intent. Maybe I was a too blunt. I just wanted to point out that it;s not hard to get a CWP and to show a propensity to be negative by Zoom. My apologies to Zoom and the original poster.
1/27/2005 4:00:36 AM EDT
[#12]
1/27/2005 4:57:43 AM EDT
[#13]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Well, Gun-Fan,  it seems that you've effectively killed this discussion.

I used to tell my Mom that my brother hit me "for no good reason", but that wasn't really true.  I gave him plenty of reasons.  Most times when there is a trend of consequences there is a cause behind them.  


Sorry, that wasn't my intent. Maybe I was a too blunt. I just wanted to point out that it;s not hard to get a CWP and to show a propensity to be negative by Zoom. My apologies to Zoom and the original poster.



The "killed this discussion" comment was tongue-in-cheek.

You just said what a lot of us were thinking.