[ARCHIVED THREAD] - SDave handgun Class (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/23/2004 1:42:50 PM EDT
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Would you all be interested in a handgun class with SDave as the instructor? SDave would like to do a class Nov 13-14 at the Pickens Count range Cost $250 1200 rounds sat 9-5 + 8-11Pm night shooting sun 9-3 SDave is a very experienced military instructor and a member of team Beretta. Mike |
Man, you guys need to hold off on offering all these classes until the time I get a real job and have money to blow. If I'm not mistaken, this class would cost upwards of $500 total...ouch, too steep for my poor grad school grad butt  Not that I'm saying its not worth it, just that I can't afford it 
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Guess you're right on the cost, I just added it up. But being my first weekend away from the family in 2 years, during the fall, in Georgia, outdoors in the country, shooting guns... that's priceless. Unless its raining! Oooh, now I need some new boots.... |
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You know the way I look at it is how many of you will ever have the chance to train again with the man who trained the operators at the JFK Special Warfare school. SDave is truely one of the most talented CQB shooters that this country has ever produced. I can't think of any better way to spend a weekend Mike |
Is that the John 'Freekin Kerry school of speshul warfare? Just kidding. I'm looking forward to the class like I guy waiting for the HS prom... |
If I did not have to pay property taxes in 9 days, I would be there. ARH |
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Mike makes an excellent point. S Dave is a MACHINE> The guy is unbelieveable. The cost of this class is a STEAL. Go price some classes at other training facilities and see. And don't forget to add in the cost of TRAVEL to those facilities! If you think you are a good shooter now, you will not believe the kind of improvement you will see after this class. Even guys who shoot a lot of IDPA/IPSC matches will learn MUCH MORE than they can imagine. I've seen it happen. Some guys want to shoot their guns at the range once every month at some paper from a stationary position. Nothing wrong with that. But, if you really want to learn how to use a firearm in a practical situation, where your life (or the lives of your loved ones) might depend on it, you NEED to take some training classes. They don't get better (or cheaper IMHO) than the classes Mike offers with teachers like S Dave. |
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I have had several people drop out in the last few days. Payment is due on the 15th of Oct. and I will fill the class from the waiting list if there are any who have not paid at that time. So there is a good chance I will have a slot or two to fill If you are interested in being on the standby list let me know this week. Mike |
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Directions to the Pickens County Sportsman's Club From Atlanta North on 575 to Jasper Continue North from Jasper 4.9 miles past Hwy 53 Turn Right (East) on Antioch Church Rd 0.1 miles Turn right on Hwy 136 follow the signs to Talking Rock Continue on 136 for 3.2 miles (136 bears to the right at the church) Turn Left on Jones Mtn Rd at stop sign 1.7 miles Turn right on Old Jones Mtn Rd. gravel road Continue past the Deliverance houses to the range 400 yards. the gate to the range is always locked and there is no public access. all guests must be with a member |
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spoke with Sdave yesterday at length. He said we are going to do some serious night shooting. So make sure you bring some spare batterys for your tactical lights. I'll have a course outline for you all in a few days. If any of you need a new holster or mag pouches for the class. Let me know. Mike |
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Martial Gun Inc. handgun training class at the Pickins County Sportsman’s Club in Jasper Georgia November 13 & 14, 2004. “S”Dave here. Thank you for your interest in the handgun training class, the following items will certainly facilitate the quality and flow of your training: Seasonal weather gear. Functional clothing & foot gear. Knee and Elbow pads. Handheld flashlight(s) w/extra batts. Ballistic Eye pro. & Ear protection. Any functional handgun of reputable manufacture. Know your handguns zero, expect to work as close as 3 yards and as far as 50 yards. Have the necessary cleaning tools and maintenance equipment/replacement parts. A quality holster and magazine pouches. A minimum of 4 ea. 15 rd Mags or at least 6 ea. 10 rd Mags. 1911 Drivers have 10 each 7/8 round magazines, bring 10 rounders if you have them. A minimum of 1,500 rounds of ammunition, 2,000 rounds will be plenty. A suitable garment or vest for concealment work. Have at least 50 each DUMMY ROUNDS. They will be incorporated throughout training. Be prepared to take notes! Be prepared to eat lunch at the range on Saturday! Be prepared to sustain yourself during training on Sunday as there will be no lunch break because the range requires us to be done at 3:00pm Sunday afternoon! When packing out consider; "It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it and not have it! The following topics will be discussed during training: Knowledge of local, state, and federal laws concerning responsible ownership of firearms. Realistic SAFETY issues for all phases of gun ownership and use. Practical use should influence: make, model, caliber, ammunition, Zero range, carry methods, home defense, and motor vehicle issues. Firearms familiarity: Location and function of the guns controls for right and left hand use. Firearms disassembly, maintenance, and reassembly to include functions check. Magazine disassembly, maintenance, and reassembly to include functions check. Cycle of operation. Responsible gunhandling skills. The mental & physical conditioning related to firearms training. Mindset for training and skill development. Marksmanship knowledge; principals and fundamentals of marksmanship. Knowledge of internal, external, and terminal ballistics. Understanding time and how it applies to skill development. Self analysis of skill level. The selection and use of ancillary equipment i.e. hand held or gun mounted flashlights; visible or IR lasers; Dot sights; Tritium night sights and the care and maintenance of the equipment. The proper use, maintenance, and precautions of incorporating “Inert” training ammunition. The importance, proper approach, and application of dry fire training. Consider the application of tactics and techniques that fit your specific environment and integrate them into all phases of firearms training. Evaluate the tactics and techniques generated by your specific environment and integrate them into all phases of firearms training. The “rules of engagement” for your operating environment should be understood and integrated during all phases of tactical scenario training. The following performance objectives will be accomplished throughout training: Breakdown of the Draw stroke for the pistol (based on equipment set up & physical position). Pistol “ready” or “working” positions. Standard and alternate position shooting. One and Two Hand Immediate Actions. One and Two Hand Remedial Actions. One and Two Hand Reloading Methods for the Pistol. One and two hand “Back in Action” requirements. Conditioned awareness and management of the Pistols ammunition load configuration. One and two hand strict grouping exercises. One and two hand “presentation shot” drills. One and two hand one shot draw drills. One and two hand controlled pairs. One and two hand double taps. One and two hand threat indexing. One and two hand multiple threat engagements. Threat elimination for combat. Systematic collapse and recollapse of the threat area or sector. Static 90/180 degree turning drills, strong and off sides. Aspects of moving with a loaded weapon at all times. Moving and shooting in width (lateral) turning drills, strong and off sides. Shooting while moving in width (lateral), strong and off sides. Moving and shooting forward & rearward. Shooting while moving forward & rearward. Moving and shooting oblique (forward & rearward), strong and off sides. Moving and shooting in close proximity drills. Shooting while moving in close proximity drills. Analysis and proper movement into cover and/or concealment. Proper use and negotiation of cover and concealment (strong and off sides). Analysis and proper movement out of cover and/or concealment. Shooting in Low & No light. Training will be aggressive in nature and should flow smoothly with your cooperation and hustle. Circumstances will determine any necessary adjustments to the training plan. The only weather decision made will be due to lightning. |
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Dave/Mike, a couple of questions: Where would I be able to find dummy rounds for sale? Would I have to wear boots, or will sneakers suffice? Anyone know where I can get my hands on a couple of mag rebuild kits for Beretta 92 15rounders? I guess we will be responsible for lunch on Saturday, huh? ETA: anyone else as overwhelmed about this as I am? |
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Overwhelmed? Don't be. Look, I read through that bullet-point list of topics and thought it was a lot of material. But, the way Dave teaches, the difference in your skills from Saturday morning until Saturday afternoon will be GREATLY improved. Dave covers a LOT of stuff, but does so in a way that it all just clicks together. Don't worry, he won't let people fall behind. You WILL get it. ANd he WILL cover everything (and then some) on the list. As mentioned, plan to take notes. You will have so much stuff coming at you, you'll forget a lot of it unless you take some notes. Dave will make your gear work for YOU. If you show up without something, he'll make what you've got work for you the best way possible. One thing taking a few classes has done for me is forced me to buy some stuff for my kit that I otherwise would put off. If you feel like you need to invest in a few things to make this training experience better, than do it. You won't regret it later. You will learn a LOT in this class and you'll have fun doing it. |
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The best dummy rounds are ST acton. The only place I know that has them is LE Targets.com. They aren't cheap though. Best if two people go in together and buy 100 to get a discount. |
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you can get dummy rounds from Carol at ST actionpro she is an old friend of mine. http://www.stactionpro.com/default2.asp At least have a hand full of them if you don't want to buy 50 Ghostshooter you don't need boots I have Beretta mags is you need to borrow a couple All Let me know if any of you need anything else I'll try to set you up. |
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Thanks guys. Mike, I have mags, its just that this seems like a good time to buy some new mag springs, just in case  They all work fine, although I would like to have some spares on hand. The website you sent me, ST Action pro, is great! Now I can buy a Wilderness belt and those action dummies all in the same place 
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I agree that it's not a good idea. ST Action pro's are actually plastic with real cases. I've heard of people drilling out the primer hole. Load a bullet and crimp. Then inject colored silicone into the round through the primer hole. Again it will function but will still look like live ammo, thus setting you up for a potential ND. |
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