Posted: 1/29/2016 12:21:00 PM EDT
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http://www.wfsb.com/story/31090355/connecticut-senators-call-for-open-carry-ban-in-stores
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http://www.wfsb.com/story/31090355/connecticut-senators-call-for-open-carry-ban-in-stores I'll just leave this here... So they'll include the police in that ban too, right? But of course they won't, only the peasants who choose to follow the law and the wishes of the store will be affected. Criminals won't care. And others will simply stop doing business with those stores. More pandering to their base by Murphy, Blumenthal and Etsy. Edit to add: There was a similar thread on the desire to ban open carry in stores previously posted ten days ago. Here we go again - Support your local grocery business |
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I am not a smart man, but even I have been predicting this for years. Given the political climate of CT, OCing does more harm then good for our side. You will never get people used to OC, when the politicians and press spotlight it as a problem. There are no logical arguments that will overcome the imagined threat to public safety ,and it will lead to predictable results.
CT gun owners are not in a strong position. Both Hartford and the courts are not our friends. They can basically do what they want to us. So, going out of your way to antagonize them seems a less them ideal course of action. Once again, just because something is legal to do, that doesn't make it wise to do. |
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I am not a smart man, but even I have been predicting this for years. Given the political climate of CT, OCing does more harm then good for our side. You will never get people used to OC, when the politicians and press spotlight it as a problem. There are no logical arguments that will overcome the imagined threat to public safety ,and it will lead to predictable results. CT gun owners are not in a strong position. Both Hartford and the courts are not our friends. They can basically do what they want to us. So, going out of your way to antagonize them seems a less them ideal course of action. Once again, just because something is legal to do, that doesn't make it wise to do. Your fooling yourself if you think this has anything to do with people OC'ing! If OC is banned, then everyone who CC's is now at risk of being arrested or stopped for nothing more than excising there rights. We've never been in a strong position, and nothing has changed. Take some time and write the people who are proposing this nonsense, instead of whining about it on here. ~g |
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Your fooling yourself if you think this has anything to do with people OC'ing! If OC is banned, then everyone who CC's is now at risk of being arrested or stopped for nothing more than excising there rights. We've never been in a strong position, and nothing has changed. Take some time and write the people who are proposing this nonsense, instead of whining about it on here. ~g Quoted:
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I am not a smart man, but even I have been predicting this for years. Given the political climate of CT, OCing does more harm then good for our side. You will never get people used to OC, when the politicians and press spotlight it as a problem. There are no logical arguments that will overcome the imagined threat to public safety ,and it will lead to predictable results. CT gun owners are not in a strong position. Both Hartford and the courts are not our friends. They can basically do what they want to us. So, going out of your way to antagonize them seems a less them ideal course of action. Once again, just because something is legal to do, that doesn't make it wise to do. Your fooling yourself if you think this has anything to do with people OC'ing! If OC is banned, then everyone who CC's is now at risk of being arrested or stopped for nothing more than excising there rights. We've never been in a strong position, and nothing has changed. Take some time and write the people who are proposing this nonsense, instead of whining about it on here. ~g when the hell did writing the legislators ever get them to change their minds ? this has undeniably everything to do with people open carrying. their is absolutely no reason for it other then " im exercising muh rights " what do you think happens when you over exercise a right in an unfriendly gun state? |
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I don't use a cell phone often (once every few weeks or months is typical). Most times it is when I can't find a street or driveway etc. With the stupid new laws I can't even do that without stopping. Why? BECAUSE DUMB SHITS YAPPING ON THEIR PHONES HAVE KILLED PEOPLE AND THEN OTHER DUMB SHITS MADE LAWS SO I CAN'T PUT A PHONE TO MY EAR WHILE DRIVING AND GETTING DIRECTIONS.
This open carry bullshit like "Starbucks Appreciation Day", and others pushing the envelope like the recent dumb shit and the DUI check point will cause open carry to be eliminated. That asshole could have played his silly sign game without carrying. God! It pisses me off! |
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If they do pass such a law, will it affect "printing" or accidentally exposing your firearm that causes "panic" such as reaching up to a shelf and exposing it? Could be a shit show for ccw's. Yes it will affect printing or any other ways one's CCW becomes "visible". One only had to read the last bill that was proposed to ban open carry in CT. Its LOL funny to see some blame this on open carry folks. This isn't about open carry this is all about incrementalism by anti rights people. This is how they play the game. They first use media, social media, and social justice warrior types to pressure private businesses and organizations to ban, restrict or change what ever they are seeking to ban, restrict or change. Then get the usual willing suspects in the legislature both state and federal to go before the cameras to demand laws be passed "for the children". Its how they build a "consensus for common sense changes" among the masses. They are absolutely giddy with glee when they see gun owners turn against each other and blame a small group of gun owners for "rocking the boat" and "ruining things" all while they while they continue their march/drive for total law abiding civilian disarmament. 
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There is a huge difference between responsible and respectful open carriers and those who do it while thumbing their noses at those who make laws by baiting police or businesses. Sure you know that and I know that but there are some who view all open carriers as rocking the boat here in CT who will end up "ruining it for the rest of us". However, in this case (see link above to prior thread) it appears there was no pro 2A or pro open carry protest or possibly even specific people seen open carrying that triggered this. Rather it appears suddenly a group of people "voiced their concerns" about Caraluzzi’s allowing open carry, all in a short period of time on Caraluzzi's facebook page. My suspicion is that it is being organized and populated by members of the Bloomberg funded anti rights mommy brigade. They are taking a page from Acorn's book of holding up a business by protesting (in this case on social media) to get them to change their policies. And in typical predicable fashion some gun owners turn on each other pointing the finger of blame. |
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meh im sure they will change the law one of these days after one too many neck-beards with XDs tossed into their $5 uncle mike Velcro holster does something stupid eventually CT won't be an OC state. Quoted:
Is this the gun equivalent to legal gay marriage as long as you don't kiss or show PDA?  what about gays Ocing? what would the far left do? |
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I was at Cold Stone, in Fairfield, a couple of hours ago. A woman was in there with her daughter. I could tell they were catching glimpses of my pistol. When they got to the register, I kindly moved out of they way.
She asked if I was a cop and I said no. She replied that she was unaware I could carry a gun. I asked her if she was uncomfortable and she said idk, you look like a nice enough guy. But im not sure how I feel. I asked her if she would feel uncomfortable if a uniformed cop came in with a gun and she said no its a cop. I said so the gun isnt the issue, its the person who has it. She thought about it and said hmm I guess you're right. She said goodbye and went on her way. Everyone in here knows it's not the guns fault. The idiots need to stop breeding and setting bad examples. But I guess the same could be said about liberals. |
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Quoted: I was at Cold Stone, in Fairfield, a couple of hours ago. A woman was in there with her daughter. I could tell they were catching glimpses of my pistol. When they got to the register, I kindly moved out of they way. She asked if I was a cop and I said no. She replied that she was unaware I could carry a gun. I asked her if she was uncomfortable and she said idk, you look like a nice enough guy. But im not sure how I feel. I asked her if she would feel uncomfortable if a uniformed cop came in with a gun and she said no its a cop. I said so the gun isnt the issue, its the person who has it. She thought about it and said hmm I guess you're right. She said goodbye and went on her way. Everyone in here knows it's not the guns fault. The idiots need to stop breeding and setting bad examples. But I guess the same could be said about liberals. Hey neighbor! |
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The sheeple are afraid of guns plain and simple. They evidently believe anyone who openly displays a firearm is a ticking time bomb with the potential to go full retard in an instant. They're the same ones who think a gun free zone sign will make a bad guy turn around and change his mind.
Sadly, it's just the way it is and our dumb fuck legislators rather than educating the public that someone who open carries or prints/shows without acting in a threatening manor most likely has a permit and has been trained, background checked, photographed and fingerprinted. The simple fact of life is criminals do not open carry before they rob and murder. Instead they validate peoples fears, no one needs a gun to buy milk. |
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Your fooling yourself if you think this has anything to do with people OC'ing! If OC is banned, then everyone who CC's is now at risk of being arrested or stopped for nothing more than excising there rights. We've never been in a strong position, and nothing has changed. Take some time and write the people who are proposing this nonsense, instead of whining about it on here. ~g Quoted:
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I am not a smart man, but even I have been predicting this for years. Given the political climate of CT, OCing does more harm then good for our side. You will never get people used to OC, when the politicians and press spotlight it as a problem. There are no logical arguments that will overcome the imagined threat to public safety ,and it will lead to predictable results. CT gun owners are not in a strong position. Both Hartford and the courts are not our friends. They can basically do what they want to us. So, going out of your way to antagonize them seems a less them ideal course of action. Once again, just because something is legal to do, that doesn't make it wise to do. Your fooling yourself if you think this has anything to do with people OC'ing! If OC is banned, then everyone who CC's is now at risk of being arrested or stopped for nothing more than excising there rights. We've never been in a strong position, and nothing has changed. Take some time and write the people who are proposing this nonsense, instead of whining about it on here. ~g I am not fooling myself on anything. However, I do have eyes that see, ears that hear, and a mind to process the information those two senses collect. When it comes to the general public, perception is reality. People keep wanting to compare the battle over gun rights to the general civil rights struggle over race/sex discrimination. While we view it as the same thing, the population in general does not view it in the same fashion. Remember that a majority of the population of the state is either anti-gun, gun agnostic, or fudd gunners. Almost all these groups consider tougher gun control laws as a good thing, or they don't care either way. With a state government that is willing to push the gun laws as far as they can go, all in the name of "public safety", is there any logical reason to provide them with low hanging fruit like OCing? With enough fanning of the flames of public opinion, the state will jump on this "threat to public safety", and here we go again. Right now, if you happen to expose a firearm during normal activities, with even the slightest attempt to conceal it, there is absolutely no legal problems. But people who routinely OC have the potential to cause real damage, and make it so the same situation could be get you arrested. Just look at what happened with the whole "the law doesn't say I have to show my permit" thing! Listen, I get it. It's my right! Well, the moment the citizens of CT allowed a constitutionally guaranteed right to be limited by having to get a permit, it ceased being a right, and became a privilege! That is the world we live in. I have had a long running discussion with SBhaven about this issue. While he has a far more astute mind when it comes to navigating the quagmire that is CT gun laws, I still hold to my position that trying to defy the state government by pushing the envelop on OC, will only end badly for our side. Now, as to your whining comment, I guess no one is allowed to voice an opinion here? And as far as writing someone, just who do you proposes I write to? Malloy? The liberal Democrat Attorney General? The Democratic Supermajority in Hartford? Blummenthal and Murphy? Do you honestly think that any of them give a flying fuck about my opinion? Sorry if you think that's whining, it's just the truth. |
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Yes it will affect printing or any other ways one's CCW becomes "visible". One only had to read the last bill that was proposed to ban open carry in CT. Its LOL funny to see some blame this on open carry folks. This isn't about open carry this is all about incrementalism by anti rights people. This is how they play the game. They first use media, social media, and social justice warrior types to pressure private businesses and organizations to ban, restrict or change what ever they are seeking to ban, restrict or change. Then get the usual willing suspects in the legislature both state and federal to go before the cameras to demand laws be passed "for the children". Its how they build a "consensus for common sense changes" among the masses. They are absolutely giddy with glee when they see gun owners turn against each other and blame a small group of gun owners for "rocking the boat" and "ruining things" all while they while they continue their march/drive for total law abiding civilian disarmament. Quoted:
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If they do pass such a law, will it affect "printing" or accidentally exposing your firearm that causes "panic" such as reaching up to a shelf and exposing it? Could be a shit show for ccw's. Yes it will affect printing or any other ways one's CCW becomes "visible". One only had to read the last bill that was proposed to ban open carry in CT. Its LOL funny to see some blame this on open carry folks. This isn't about open carry this is all about incrementalism by anti rights people. This is how they play the game. They first use media, social media, and social justice warrior types to pressure private businesses and organizations to ban, restrict or change what ever they are seeking to ban, restrict or change. Then get the usual willing suspects in the legislature both state and federal to go before the cameras to demand laws be passed "for the children". Its how they build a "consensus for common sense changes" among the masses. They are absolutely giddy with glee when they see gun owners turn against each other and blame a small group of gun owners for "rocking the boat" and "ruining things" all while they while they continue their march/drive for total law abiding civilian disarmament. Of course it is all about the end game, the removal of all guns from our society. However, do we really need to give them easy wins in the court of public opinion? That is in fact the most important court of them all. While you and I have no issue, with the guy in line at the grocery store OCing a Kimber on his belt, the mother with her two kids behind you may feel differently. And while that may not be important to some, I guarantee it will be important to the liberal politician she winds up contacting. Next will come the move to end this "threat to public safety". Since the Democrats control the state and the courts, just how successful do you think you will be in combatting that? As far as blaming the OC folks, would any of this be an issue if these people weren't doing it to begin with? Sure, everything you said above is true, but how would supporting the OC people in their actions change anything, and make it better for our side? While there are a large number of permit holders, we are in the political minority. It is not "turning against each other" if you point out to people what they are doing is not helpful for the cause. In-Your-Face activism will not work without political support, something CT gun owners currently don't have. Being a black man, who wants to eat at the Woolworth's lunch counter, will be supported by the politicians, media, and the courts. Being an OC'er, who wants to sit at the same counter with a Glock on their hip, will not be afforded the same support. With all rights, come responsibilities. OCing in public around strangers runs a general risk of scaring someone (rightly or wrongly). Now that may not matter to some, but sometimes it isn't all about you. I was raised to be polite, and spent 32 years in uniform putting other people's needs before mine. That means I think about consequences of my actions, and how they affect others. It does not cost me anything at all to leave my shirt tail out over my Smith and Wesson M&P. But, making it a point to try to try to draw attention to that Smith, and scaring a soccer mom in the process, could wind up costing me (and everyone else) so much more. The Red states are getting Redder, and the Blue states are getting Bluer. Unfortunately for us, we are in CT, and it as blue as it could be. We are fighting a loosing battle, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth fighting. We are in a political delaying action, trying to hold on to whatever we can, for as long as we can. However, that doesn't mean we should act foolishly. Launching suicidal Banzai attacks, that uphold our honor, but cost us everything. |
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Of course it is all about the end game, the removal of all guns from our society. However, do we really need to give them easy wins in the court of public opinion? That is in fact the most important court of them all. While you and I have no issue, with the guy in line at the grocery store OCing a Kimber on his belt, the mother with her two kids behind you may feel differently. And while that may not be important to some, I guarantee it will be important to the liberal politician she winds up contacting. Next will come the move to end this "threat to public safety". Since the Democrats control the state and the courts, just how successful do you think you will be in combatting that? As far as blaming the OC folks, would any of this be an issue if these people weren't doing it to begin with? Sure, everything you said above is true, but how would supporting the OC people in their actions change anything, and make it better for our side? While there are a large number of permit holders, we are in the political minority. It is not "turning against each other" if you point out to people what they are doing is not helpful for the cause. Being a black man, who wants to eat at the Woolworth's lunch counter, will be supported by the politicians, media, and the courts. Being an OC'er, who wants to sit at the same counter with a Glock on their hip, will not be afforded the same support. In-Your-Face activism will not work without political support, something CT gun owners currently don't have. With all rights, come responsibilities. OCing in public around strangers runs a general risk of scaring someone (rightly or wrongly). I was raised to be polite, and spent 32 years in uniform putting other people's needs before mine. It does not cost me anything at all to leave my shirt tail out over my Smith and Wesson M&P. But, making it a point to try to try to draw attention to that Smith, and scaring a soccer mom in the process, could wind up costing me (and everyone else) so much more. The Red states are getting Redder, and the Blue states are getting Bluer. Unfortunately for us, we are in CT, and it as blue as it could be. We are fighting a loosing battle, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth fighting. We are in a political delaying action, trying to hold on to whatever we can, for as long as we can. However, that doesn't mean we should act foolishly. Launching suicidal Banzai attacks, that uphold our honor, but cost us everything. You asked; "would any of this be an issue if these [OC] people weren't doing it to begin with? " I look at this slightly differently. Every year politicians and the media focus their attention for a short period of time on some aspect of guns in an effort to demonize and ban them. Be it magazines, the AWB, open carrying, permits, etc. Why all of a sudden did this land in the media? It started as a few complaints on a grocery store's social media page. What is the real reason they are going after open carry all of a sudden? Because of those incredibly few who open carry and frighten the sheep? Or is it being organized behind the scenes because it is an EASY way to scare up the sheep to push a business to ban guns themselves when it cannot be done this year legislatively because of the legislative rules. Because once they get a business to prohibit open carry they by extension may also ban conceal carry in the process. Once they get a business to ban guns it gives the Democrats a feather in their cap come election time in November. While some will blame the small OC crowd for this, I may be reading way to much into what is happening, but I see this as an subtle organized plan by one of the Bloomberg groups who are using the animosity against the small OC crowd to pit both gun owners and gun banners against the small OC crowd, while they push businesses to ban guns because they cannot do it via the legislature this year. Or perhaps I have the tinfoil hat cinched down just a bit too tight these days. 
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You asked; "would any of this be an issue if these [OC] people weren't doing it to begin with? " I look at this slightly differently. Every year politicians and the media focus their attention for a short period of time on some aspect of guns in an effort to demonize and ban them. Be it magazines, the AWB, open carrying, permits, etc. Why all of a sudden did this land in the media? It started as a few complaints on a grocery store's social media page. What is the real reason they are going after open carry all of a sudden? Because of those incredibly few who open carry and frighten the sheep? Or is it being organized behind the scenes because it is an EASY way to scare up the sheep to push a business to ban guns themselves when it cannot be done this year legislatively because of the legislative rules. Because once they get a business to prohibit open carry they by extension may also ban conceal carry in the process. Once they get a business to ban guns it gives the Democrats a feather in their cap come election time in November. While some will blame the small OC crowd for this, I may be reading way to much into what is happening, but I see this as an subtle organized plan by one of the Bloomberg groups who are using the animosity against the small OC crowd to pit both gun owners and gun banners against the small OC crowd, while they push businesses to ban guns because they cannot do it via the legislature this year. Or perhaps I have the tinfoil hat cinched down just a bit too tight these days. Quoted:
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Of course it is all about the end game, the removal of all guns from our society. However, do we really need to give them easy wins in the court of public opinion? That is in fact the most important court of them all. While you and I have no issue, with the guy in line at the grocery store OCing a Kimber on his belt, the mother with her two kids behind you may feel differently. And while that may not be important to some, I guarantee it will be important to the liberal politician she winds up contacting. Next will come the move to end this "threat to public safety". Since the Democrats control the state and the courts, just how successful do you think you will be in combatting that? As far as blaming the OC folks, would any of this be an issue if these people weren't doing it to begin with? Sure, everything you said above is true, but how would supporting the OC people in their actions change anything, and make it better for our side? While there are a large number of permit holders, we are in the political minority. It is not "turning against each other" if you point out to people what they are doing is not helpful for the cause. Being a black man, who wants to eat at the Woolworth's lunch counter, will be supported by the politicians, media, and the courts. Being an OC'er, who wants to sit at the same counter with a Glock on their hip, will not be afforded the same support. In-Your-Face activism will not work without political support, something CT gun owners currently don't have. With all rights, come responsibilities. OCing in public around strangers runs a general risk of scaring someone (rightly or wrongly). I was raised to be polite, and spent 32 years in uniform putting other people's needs before mine. It does not cost me anything at all to leave my shirt tail out over my Smith and Wesson M&P. But, making it a point to try to try to draw attention to that Smith, and scaring a soccer mom in the process, could wind up costing me (and everyone else) so much more. The Red states are getting Redder, and the Blue states are getting Bluer. Unfortunately for us, we are in CT, and it as blue as it could be. We are fighting a loosing battle, but that doesn't mean it isn't worth fighting. We are in a political delaying action, trying to hold on to whatever we can, for as long as we can. However, that doesn't mean we should act foolishly. Launching suicidal Banzai attacks, that uphold our honor, but cost us everything. You asked; "would any of this be an issue if these [OC] people weren't doing it to begin with? " I look at this slightly differently. Every year politicians and the media focus their attention for a short period of time on some aspect of guns in an effort to demonize and ban them. Be it magazines, the AWB, open carrying, permits, etc. Why all of a sudden did this land in the media? It started as a few complaints on a grocery store's social media page. What is the real reason they are going after open carry all of a sudden? Because of those incredibly few who open carry and frighten the sheep? Or is it being organized behind the scenes because it is an EASY way to scare up the sheep to push a business to ban guns themselves when it cannot be done this year legislatively because of the legislative rules. Because once they get a business to prohibit open carry they by extension may also ban conceal carry in the process. Once they get a business to ban guns it gives the Democrats a feather in their cap come election time in November. While some will blame the small OC crowd for this, I may be reading way to much into what is happening, but I see this as an subtle organized plan by one of the Bloomberg groups who are using the animosity against the small OC crowd to pit both gun owners and gun banners against the small OC crowd, while they push businesses to ban guns because they cannot do it via the legislature this year. Or perhaps I have the tinfoil hat cinched down just a bit too tight these days. I don't think the tinfoil hat is too tight, I just think you are prudently putting nothing past our foes! Listen, I get what you are saying, but I don't think it is quite as deep as you think. However, the anti-gun activists are firmly entrenched in CT, and will use whatever they can to win points with the public. The simple fact of the matter is, people like the moron at the CSP checkpoint OCing, drawing their attention, does nothing but harm. The reason OC has attracted the anti-gun people's attentions is people doing dumb ass things. Listen, a few years ago, some scientists did an experiment in Africa. They marked a couple of giraffes (I think it was giraffes) from the herd with spray paint. Within a number of weeks, they were all dead. Why? Because the fact that they stood out attracted the lions, and they got eaten first. Point being, if you are going to go to the grocery store and OC, into the very domain of the soccer mom, expect to get noticed. You gin these people up, they call the state, and demand something gets done. Yada, Yada, Yada! If you can point out to me how OC is doing anything to advance our cause, I will certainly give credit where it is do. I do not know for certain, but my gut tells me that nothing valuable is gained by doing it. And, it only serves to cast gun owners as dangerous, due to the coverage the media will give any incident reported. I enjoy the fact that I currently do not have to worry about if my pistol is accidently exposed, and it wont lead to criminal charges. It would be a real bummer if that situation changes because of some "it's my right" crusader makes a public spectacle of themselves enough times to get the law changed. Don't get me wrong. I have no issue walking to the car without covering up my sidearm, or maybe pumping gas OCing, or someplace you are known. In all honesty, if you don't look like Joe Shit the rag-man, the public will probably think you are a cop anyway. However, walking around most public places showing your GAT will probably not be a good thing. We don't have mandatory OC in this state, so why not just cover it up as a courtesy, and avoid trouble instead of inviting it? You are still exercising your right to self defense, no? And, just for the record, I don't have any animosity towards the OC crowd, I just think they are counter productive, and wish they would look at the big picture. I would never go hunting either, but that doesn't mean I look down on hunters, or blame them for anything (except providing funds to protect habitat and game populations  ).
Once again, it is not turning on our own if we do a little bit of self-policing. Because, I am certain, if we don't do it ourselves, the state will do it for us. |
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I'm amazed that it took this long for open carry in CT to become a hot topic. I've had my permit for 30 years and this was never talked about much by anyone until the last 5 years or so.
Most people even called it a "concealed carry permit" until more recently. Most people still don't know that it doesn't specify how you are allowed to carry your firearm. From a tactical point of view, open carry is stupid and a huge disadvantage. If you are in a group of, lets say, 8 people and you are open carrying and someone nearby wants to control or detain your group for whatever reason then the guy open carrying his gun is going to be the first to immediately disarmed before he even recognized the threat. He has lost any tactical advantage he would have had if he was carrying his firearm concealed. Or your walking alone down the street open carrying and someone walks up behind you and you here his safety click off next to your ear as he disarms you. You had no chance, you showed your hand. His buddy knows you may even have a backup gun now so he takes that one too. Now from a etiquette point of view..... if you were a 6 foot tall knockout runway model, would you go shopping at the mall wearing a bikini and 5" heals? Would you and 3 buddies wear long black trench coats and dark sunglasses to the beach in July and stand in a half circle and stare at someone on the beach? Would you stand on the street corner holding a sign that says I need sex and I'm willing to have sex with anyone who wants to? Would you sit across from the police station in your car every day watching the cops come and go? Would you open carry 6 different holster's with pistols in each one and an ar15 over your shoulder and walk around down town Waterbury in your swim trunks and no shirt on? These are all totally legal to do. But "should" you? I'm sure you guys could think of a dozen more scenarios that would be inappropriate but legal. |
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The goal in promoting 2nd amendment rights isn't to see what kind of shock factor you can get away with and or alienating people who may not agree with your position or positions on firearms and gun rights.
It should be to try and persuade people who are undecided on various 2nd amendment issues or are against the 2nd amendment into understanding that the second amendment isn't about hunting, or owning a "machinegun" or letting criminals poses firearms, or even personal self protection. Its about the citizens having and maintaining a means of keeping the federal government working for the people and doing what the people want and not the other way around. The tactic most often used by the anti gun groups is to divide and conquer. Here's a few perfect examples.... Many "Hunters" say that you don't need an ar15 or ak-47 etc. to hunt and "I don't care if they outlaw them I don't own one". Many, trap and skeet shooters say "I don't care if they outlaw hand guns I don't own one". So back to open carry. I think that every state should just say you have the right to carry a firearm and leave it at that like here in CT. But the fact is that most states issue a "concealed carry permit" and it must be concealed. There's nothing wrong with that either. So people in states where its either unspecified or it says you can "open carry" they need to realize that discretion is part of being a reasonable and responsible citizen (gun owner) and just because something is "legal" doesn't mean its your best option either in protecting yourself or in promoting the overall cause of protecting the second amendment and or your own personal rights. |
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From my personal experience over the years as an instructor and in talking to many different people at gun shows, bars, ranges, parties, car shows, etc. that people who insist on open carrying there sidearm are typically newer and or younger permit holders and
its a new empowering experience for them or are people who want to try and promote gun rights in a kind of "in your face" way. But open carrying a sidearm into a public place where no one knows you will not promote your cause or change any minds of people who are on the fence about gun ownership rights in general. But if you could have a casual conversation with that same person without them even knowing you had a sidearm and discuss it you would have a much, much better chance of persuading them to understanding gun rights and your point of view. As an owner of many cool "toys" and NFA items I don't have an agenda here I just want you all to consider other point of views on all gun related issues. The common goal should be to unite ALL gun owners and not to divide everyone into groups that can be pitted against each other. Sorry I had to break the post up into 3 posts it wouldn't let me post it all in one.... |
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Is this the gun equivalent to legal gay marriage as long as you don't kiss or show PDA? what about gays Ocing? what would the far left do? i have a confession. i used an uncle mikes while bear hunting.
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Is this the gun equivalent to legal gay marriage as long as you don't kiss or show PDA? what about gays Ocing? what would the far left do? i have a confession. i used an uncle mikes while bear hunting. Did you see the video where the guy said the shield was a death trap because he threw it in his fanny pack with all his shit in there and while it was bouncing around the safety was moved to the safe position. So if he drew the gun would be on safe |
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Is this the gun equivalent to legal gay marriage as long as you don't kiss or show PDA? what about gays Ocing? what would the far left do? i have a confession. i used an uncle mikes while bear hunting. Did you see the video where the guy said the shield was a death trap because he threw it in his fanny pack with all his shit in there and while it was bouncing around the safety was moved to the safe position. So if he drew the gun would be on safe LOL 
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Fuck this state.
I want to live in a free state. Then I'm going to buy a Scorpion EVO and SBR that shit, a real AK built in this Millenium and about a dozen different lowers. A few Tegras, a few Anderson's maybe a Noveske if I feel like it. Now to convince the wife. |
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I wish this state was free like it used to be years ago. Unfortunately those days are long gone and most likely will never come back. The antis have the majority in the political arena for sure.
Walking around OCing is not really going to get us what we want. Especially when confronted these "my rights" guy get all vocal and act like whackos. Why not toss a shirt over it to get it out of direct view? Especially in places that have a majority of gun haters or scared of gun people. If these guys are spotted carrying openly defuse the situation quickly by showing the permit even to the soccer mom and leaving it alone after that. Don't act all loud and attempt to start something. This just leads to laws, gun free zones and harassment from LEOs. Also if you are carrying openly and don't look like an upstanding citizen or cop people will be nervous. This is the state we live in. Appearance is everything. If you go to a Doctor and he is dressed nice with clean, pressed lab coat on, well groomed and articulate you automatically think this is a good doctor. What if he was wearing a wrinkled, blood stained lab coat, with sneakers, torn jeans, a stubble beard, unkempt hair and spoke with horrible grammar? Would you think he was a quack? If you were in a store and you saw a guy in a baseball uniform walking around with a baseball bat you would not think twice. Now what if a guy was walking around with a baseball bat dressed like a gang banger or a bum? You would be watching him or might even think to call the cops on him. Then if someone asks "why are you in the store with a bat?" and he gets all loud and starts spouting off about his rights etc. What would you think? Upstanding citizen or nut job waiting to snap? This is how the public views gun owners who carry. Like it or not. |
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The politicians are slaves to their contributors and voting block. We forget that sandy hook was national news and dm signed off on restrictive laws that were the envy of every lib.
In a dem state, you think a politician is going to let this one go by? No way, it's perfect political nonsense. A "public safety issue" that needs emergency legislation. What better way to get on the news and impress cronies up the chain. CT has no OC culture or past. It won't have a future shortly. |
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If they can ban open carry they can go as far as trying to ban ALL carry. This needs to not happen. Chances are that when a store attempts to ban open carry they'll ban conceal carry right along with it because they don't understand the nuances of the firearm laws. They'll simply have their lawyers draw up some generic boilerplate language. Which is why this really isn't about someone open carrying. More likely its about the anti's finding a way to get all guns banned in a store by claiming to be fearful of seeing someone (who may be fictitious) open carrying in a particular store. In a way this is a classic method for the SJW types to affect change on the corporate level by protesting against the store directly, in this case through social media. They make up some sort of claim then use people's ignorance of issue to get them riled up to join their campaign against the targeted business.
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Quoted: Chances are that when a store attempts to ban open carry they'll ban conceal carry right along with it because they don't understand the nuances of the firearm laws. They'll simply have their lawyers draw up some generic boilerplate language. Which is why this really isn't about someone open carrying. More likely its about the anti's finding a way to get all guns banned in a store by claiming to be fearful of seeing someone (who may be fictitious) open carrying in a particular store. In a way this is a classic method for the SJW types to affect change on the corporate level by protesting against the store directly, in this case through social media. They make up some sort of claim then use people's ignorance of issue to get them riled up to join their campaign against the targeted business. Quoted: Quoted: If they can ban open carry they can go as far as trying to ban ALL carry. This needs to not happen. Chances are that when a store attempts to ban open carry they'll ban conceal carry right along with it because they don't understand the nuances of the firearm laws. They'll simply have their lawyers draw up some generic boilerplate language. Which is why this really isn't about someone open carrying. More likely its about the anti's finding a way to get all guns banned in a store by claiming to be fearful of seeing someone (who may be fictitious) open carrying in a particular store. In a way this is a classic method for the SJW types to affect change on the corporate level by protesting against the store directly, in this case through social media. They make up some sort of claim then use people's ignorance of issue to get them riled up to join their campaign against the targeted business. Exactly, and that's why we need to fight against this tooth and nail! We should protest, raise awareness, etc. and they might just back off. |
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The politicians and paranoid uneducated public will use the "public safety" mantra just like the false terms of "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines. Capitalize on the strong emotions of fear vs. logic. Has there ever been a case of an open or even concealed permit holder shooting up a grocery store? But a reinforced fear based on "public safety" vs. facts that it could happen will create what, over a 100 more "gun free" zones if the legislators get their wish. Another step in the direction to the ultimate end game, basically a ban on guns just about everywhere. I just saw a new one on the news today.... "BB Gun Violence" 
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The politicians and paranoid uneducated public will use the "public safety" mantra just like the false terms of "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines. Capitalize on the strong emotions of fear vs. logic. Has there ever been a case of an open or even concealed permit holder shooting up a grocery store? But a reinforced fear based on "public safety" vs. facts that it could happen will create what, over a 100 more "gun free" zones if the legislators get their wish. Another step in the direction to the ultimate end game, basically a ban on guns just about everywhere. I just saw a new one on the news today.... "BB Gun Violence" BB Gun violence? Wow then my brother and childhood friends would be considered terrorists. We used to shoot each other with BB guns. "Only one pump". BB guns hurt!! We also rode in the back of pickups, rode bikes without helmets, climbed trees, played Jarts, played smear the queer, and all kinds of illegal activities kids can't do now. We played cowboys and indians too! Oh the horror!
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BB Gun violence? Wow then my brother and childhood friends would be considered terrorists. We used to shoot each other with BB guns. "Only one pump". BB guns hurt!! We also rode in the back of pickups, rode bikes without helmets, climbed trees, played Jarts, played smear the queer, and all kinds of illegal activities kids can't do now. We played cowboys and indians too! Oh the horror!
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The politicians and paranoid uneducated public will use the "public safety" mantra just like the false terms of "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines. Capitalize on the strong emotions of fear vs. logic. Has there ever been a case of an open or even concealed permit holder shooting up a grocery store? But a reinforced fear based on "public safety" vs. facts that it could happen will create what, over a 100 more "gun free" zones if the legislators get their wish. Another step in the direction to the ultimate end game, basically a ban on guns just about everywhere. I just saw a new one on the news today.... "BB Gun Violence" BB Gun violence? Wow then my brother and childhood friends would be considered terrorists. We used to shoot each other with BB guns. "Only one pump". BB guns hurt!! We also rode in the back of pickups, rode bikes without helmets, climbed trees, played Jarts, played smear the queer, and all kinds of illegal activities kids can't do now. We played cowboys and indians too! Oh the horror!
I did all of those things except that one ^^....I'm not sure if I want to ask...  but hey, too each their own I guess
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I wish this state was free like it used to be years ago. Unfortunately those days are long gone and most likely will never come back. The antis have the majority in the political arena for sure. Walking around OCing is not really going to get us what we want. Especially when confronted these "my rights" guy get all vocal and act like whackos. Why not toss a shirt over it to get it out of direct view? Especially in places that have a majority of gun haters or scared of gun people. If these guys are spotted carrying openly defuse the situation quickly by showing the permit even to the soccer mom and leaving it alone after that. Don't act all loud and attempt to start something. This just leads to laws, gun free zones and harassment from LEOs. Also if you are carrying openly and don't look like an upstanding citizen or cop people will be nervous. This is the state we live in. Appearance is everything. If you go to a Doctor and he is dressed nice with clean, pressed lab coat on, well groomed and articulate you automatically think this is a good doctor. What if he was wearing a wrinkled, blood stained lab coat, with sneakers, torn jeans, a stubble beard, unkempt hair and spoke with horrible grammar? Would you think he was a quack? If you were in a store and you saw a guy in a baseball uniform walking around with a baseball bat you would not think twice. Now what if a guy was walking around with a baseball bat dressed like a gang banger or a bum? You would be watching him or might even think to call the cops on him. Then if someone asks "why are you in the store with a bat?" and he gets all loud and starts spouting off about his rights etc. What would you think? Upstanding citizen or nut job waiting to snap? This is how the public views gun owners who carry. Like it or not. A few years ago I used to open carry all the time and I never had any problems. No one ever asked to see my permit. People weren't scared of me. Nobody seemed to give a damn really. I think not looking or acting like a lowlife had something to do with it. |
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The politicians and paranoid uneducated public will use the "public safety" mantra just like the false terms of "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines. Capitalize on the strong emotions of fear vs. logic. Has there ever been a case of an open or even concealed permit holder shooting up a grocery store? But a reinforced fear based on "public safety" vs. facts that it could happen will create what, over a 100 more "gun free" zones if the legislators get their wish. Another step in the direction to the ultimate end game, basically a ban on guns just about everywhere. I just saw a new one on the news today.... "BB Gun Violence" BB Gun violence? Wow then my brother and childhood friends would be considered terrorists. We used to shoot each other with BB guns. "Only one pump". BB guns hurt!! We also rode in the back of pickups, rode bikes without helmets, climbed trees, played Jarts, played smear the queer, and all kinds of illegal activities kids can't do now. We played cowboys and indians too! Oh the horror!
I did all of those things except that one ^^....I'm not sure if I want to ask... but hey, too each their own I guessLOL it is a version of football. Basically you throw the ball someone catches it and runs toward end zone. All the other kids try to tackle and pile onto the runner. |
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The politicians and paranoid uneducated public will use the "public safety" mantra just like the false terms of "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines. Capitalize on the strong emotions of fear vs. logic. Has there ever been a case of an open or even concealed permit holder shooting up a grocery store? But a reinforced fear based on "public safety" vs. facts that it could happen will create what, over a 100 more "gun free" zones if the legislators get their wish. Another step in the direction to the ultimate end game, basically a ban on guns just about everywhere. I just saw a new one on the news today.... "BB Gun Violence" BB Gun violence? Wow then my brother and childhood friends would be considered terrorists. We used to shoot each other with BB guns. "Only one pump". BB guns hurt!! We also rode in the back of pickups, rode bikes without helmets, climbed trees, played Jarts, played smear the queer, and all kinds of illegal activities kids can't do now. We played cowboys and indians too! Oh the horror!
Yup, we had fun and turned out to be pretty decent people. No one protected our little sensitivities. True story, in 4th grade we had a class play about Davey Crockett. I lugged a WWII Japanese trophy rifle my Marine uncle liberated(he removed the firing pin) all the way to school, we walked back then, to use as a prop in the play. Teacher and kids thought it was cool. Just imagine the same scenario and headlines today- "10 year old child brings military style weapon of war to elementary school! Parents arrested, child removed to protective services" |
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The politicians and paranoid uneducated public will use the "public safety" mantra just like the false terms of "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines. Capitalize on the strong emotions of fear vs. logic. Has there ever been a case of an open or even concealed permit holder shooting up a grocery store? But a reinforced fear based on "public safety" vs. facts that it could happen will create what, over a 100 more "gun free" zones if the legislators get their wish. Another step in the direction to the ultimate end game, basically a ban on guns just about everywhere. I just saw a new one on the news today.... "BB Gun Violence" BB Gun violence? Wow then my brother and childhood friends would be considered terrorists. We used to shoot each other with BB guns. "Only one pump". BB guns hurt!! We also rode in the back of pickups, rode bikes without helmets, climbed trees, played Jarts, played smear the queer, and all kinds of illegal activities kids can't do now. We played cowboys and indians too! Oh the horror!
Yup, we had fun and turned out to be pretty decent people. No one protected our little sensitivities. True story, in 4th grade we had a class play about Davey Crockett. I lugged a WWII Japanese trophy rifle my Marine uncle liberated(he removed the firing pin) all the way to school, we walked back then, to use as a prop in the play. Teacher and kids thought it was cool. Just imagine the same scenario and headlines today- "10 year old child brings military style weapon of war to elementary school! Parents arrested, child removed to protective services" See you guy talk about some thing and you make it happen Then makes the news so no more gun talk
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The politicians and paranoid uneducated public will use the "public safety" mantra just like the false terms of "assault weapons" and "high capacity" magazines. Capitalize on the strong emotions of fear vs. logic. Has there ever been a case of an open or even concealed permit holder shooting up a grocery store? But a reinforced fear based on "public safety" vs. facts that it could happen will create what, over a 100 more "gun free" zones if the legislators get their wish. Another step in the direction to the ultimate end game, basically a ban on guns just about everywhere. I just saw a new one on the news today.... "BB Gun Violence" BB Gun violence? Wow then my brother and childhood friends would be considered terrorists. We used to shoot each other with BB guns. "Only one pump". BB guns hurt!! We also rode in the back of pickups, rode bikes without helmets, climbed trees, played Jarts, played smear the queer, and all kinds of illegal activities kids can't do now. We played cowboys and indians too! Oh the horror!
Yup, we had fun and turned out to be pretty decent people. No one protected our little sensitivities. True story, in 4th grade we had a class play about Davey Crockett. I lugged a WWII Japanese trophy rifle my Marine uncle liberated(he removed the firing pin) all the way to school, we walked back then, to use as a prop in the play. Teacher and kids thought it was cool. Just imagine the same scenario and headlines today- "10 year old child brings military style weapon of war to elementary school! Parents arrested, child removed to protective services" Back in 1st grade we were learning about money/presidents and eventually Abe Lincoln. I brought in my father's toy Derringer cap gun to show the class what the gun that killed Lincoln looked like. I earned a trip to the principal's office and was warned I couldn't bring toy guns to school. Got it back at the end of the day, but mom and dad were pissed when they heard what happened. Four years later my younger brother did the same thing, with the same result
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I grew up in central NY. First day of deer season is as big of an event as Christmas. Kids would take th first day of the season off from school. Other days they sometimes would put their hunting gun in their locker. They would take the bus after school and get dropped off near the deer stand where their father was already hunting.
The school rifle club had a .22 range in the basement which doubled as a fallout shelter. Again rifles would be in the rifle team members lockers along with the ammo to shoot. This was late 70s to mid 80s in New York State. Today a kid chews a piece of bread into a gun shape and he is suspended. Boy did my generation raise a bunch of pussies!
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