[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Seven Round Limit (Page 1 of 8)
Posted: 1/12/2013 5:17:51 AM EDT
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TO: ALL W.C.F.O.A. EMAIL ALERT MEMBERS
SUBJECT: URGENT ALERT - IMMINENT ANTI-GUN ACTION We have received information that the behind-the-scenes, back-room activity in Albany in recent days has culminated in two serious "concessions" by Republican State Senators. Reports indicate that AS SOON AS TUESDAY a bill will come up for a vote in the State Senate to ban magazines over 7 rounds in capacity. That is ALL magazines, not just rifle magazines. MORE OMINOUSLY, there is a strong possibility that there WILL NOT be any "grandfathering" of currently owned magazines of over 7 rounds. This is a very serious threat. All gun owners must immediately call and/or email: State Senator Dean Skelos. Skelos' office number is 518-455-3171 AND call your own State Senator and demand that they NOT support such an extreme, useless, do-nothing action. An action which could turn thousands of law-abiding gun owners into felons overnight. You can get your State Senator's contact information at: http://www.nysenate.gov/senators |
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In a way this is a good thing, as it will affect virtually every gun owner in the state at once.
No more chipping away little by little, incrementally. No more divide and conquer. Hit every gun owner at one time and maybe we can be more effective at fighting back. |
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NO one makes 7 round mags, we have to fight this hard or we will all be stuck with 5 round hunting mags it's gonna be a bitch to stick a 5 rnd hunting mag in my glock. you realize this also applies to pistol mags. No one makes one and I doubt anyone would for one state |
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In a way this is a good thing, as it will affect virtually every gun owner in the state at once. No more chipping away little by little, incrementally. No more divide and conquer. Hit every gun owner at one time and maybe we can be more effective at fighting back. yep, effectively bans everything from glocks to 10/22s |
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I will be making more calls on monday and encourage everyone else to do the same. Use the information contained in the recents posts started by RangeWarrior and nyrkba.
Here are their facebook links again. Give 'em hell. Make up an account with an alias if you do not wish to post under your real name. It is simple and free. Senator Dean Skelos https://www.facebook.com/senatordeanskelos Senator Tom Libous https://www.facebook.com/senatorlibous NYS Senate Democrats https://www.facebook.com/NYSenDems Governor Cuomo https://www.facebook.com/GovernorAndrewCuomo |
| It is hard to believe Skelos and Libous would sell us out on a 7rd mag limit. They have to know mags under 10rds don't exist for most of the guns out there. It amounts to a defacto ban on almost all handguns. If they sold us out this bad it will be the end of the republican party in NY. It won't gain them any liberal votes. It's a lose lose for everyone. Can they be that stupid? I hope not. |
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It is hard to believe Skelos and Libous would sell us out on a 7rd mag limit. They have to know mags under 10rds don't exist for most of the guns out there. It amounts to a defacto ban on almost all handguns. If they sold us out this bad it will be the end of the republican party in NY. It won't gain them any liberal votes. It's a lose lose for everyone. Can they be that stupid? I hope not. I believe HiramRanger confirmed Senator Libous' 'army-type weapons' quote yesterday. Keep the pressure on him! |
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This would make my bolt action .22LR magazines illegal. And this just proves what we have all been saying right along its not just about so called "assault weapons", that just got the ball rolling. it's about disarming the citizens of NY state. What the hell do pistols and 22 rifles and 7rd mag capacity's have to do with getting evil black guns off the street. |
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Quoted: This will fast track the NY AWB to the supreme court. No way our local courts will strike it down though. +1 The only positive out of all this. I am tired of going year to year not knowing what my rights are. I just want it settled once and for all. I may not like the outcome but this constant BS is draining. |
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This would make my bolt action .22LR magazines illegal. And this just proves what we have all been saying right along its not just about so called "assault weapons", that just got the ball rolling. it's about disarming the citizens of NY state. What the hell do pistols and 22 rifles and 7rd mag capacity's have to do with getting evil black guns off the street. You are right anyone who thinks this is about the gun and not about control is a moron. That is why logic doesn't work. You can quote statistics to these idiots all you want and it changes nothing. THey only care about maintaining power. |
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Doubt it applies to Garands. They have a fixed magazine. Although with an en-block clip it is a gray area. If the numbskulls who make and enforce these laws don't know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic they most assuredly won't be able to distinguish between a box magazine and an enbloc clip. I fear the worst, but I'm still hoping for the best. |
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This will fast track the NY AWB to the supreme court. No way our local courts will strike it down though. You're right, but how long would that take? How many of us would become felons overnight? The vast majority of us aren't LEOs so we would not be exempted from the ban. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Doubt it applies to Garands. They have a fixed magazine. Although with an en-block clip it is a gray area. If the numbskulls who make and enforce these laws don't know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic they most assuredly won't be able to distinguish between a box magazine and an enbloc clip. I fear the worst, but I'm still hoping for the best. They might not understand guns but they understand money. Along with keeping their job and the perks that come with being in the majority. It's a little more difficult to keep the patronage jobs and lobbyist paid visits to 677 Prime or Yono's flowing when you're out on your ass after a primary. Maybe instead of pleading it's time to remind the more squishy republicans what happened to McDonald, Saland, and Alesi after their gay marriage vote. I'm sure at the time the favors and campaign money promised to those guys in exchange for their votes sounded like a great plan. Regardless of your opinion on gay marriage, I'd imagine way more people care about the 2nd amendment and are directly impacted by legislation effecting it. Maybe remind them how voting against their constituents turned out for them. It's one of the reasons why they have to share power with the IDC to begin with. |
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2 of my semi auto handguns would be ok, one has 7 round mags as the standard the other came with 8 rounders but 7s are commonly available
the rest I'd be screwed on some of my rifles have 5 rounders available but they usually cost more than even the rare makes of prebans I don't see companies going out of their way to make 7 or 5 rounders for stuff like 10/22s, 9mm carbines, etc |
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Quoted: Quoted: This will fast track the NY AWB to the supreme court. No way our local courts will strike it down though. You're right, but how long would that take? How many of us would become felons overnight? The vast majority of us aren't LEOs so we would not be exempted from the ban. They key would be to get an injunction against the law taking effect pending the outcome of a court challenge. |
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2 of my semi auto handguns would be ok, one has 7 round mags as the standard the other came with 8 rounders but 7s are commonly available the rest I'd be screwed on some of my rifles have 5 rounders available but they usually cost more than even the rare makes of prebans I don't see companies going out of their way to make 7 or 5 rounders for stuff like 10/22s, 9mm carbines, etc I have seen 5 round 10/22 mags, I think Ruger makes them but proposed legislation is BS |
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Posted this in another thread: what does this mean for pistol owners? Let's use Glock for example-do they make 7 round magazines? The only Glock that would be compliant would be the single stack 45 model with its six round mag. Not by accident ( I believe ) the only two NY handgun manufacturers make 1911s that have..you guessed it...a 7 round capacity..... |
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Quoted: I doubt they care enough about businesses to do that. I think the 7 round thing has been floating around amongst the idiots for awhileQuoted: Posted this in another thread: what does this mean for pistol owners? Let's use Glock for example-do they make 7 round magazines? The only Glock that would be compliant would be the single stack 45 model with its six round mag. Not by accident ( I believe ) the only two NY handgun manufacturers make 1911s that have..you guessed it...a 7 round capacity..... |
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This will fast track the NY AWB to the supreme court. No way our local courts will strike it down though. You're right, but how long would that take? How many of us would become felons overnight? The vast majority of us aren't LEOs so we would not be exempted from the ban. They key would be to get an injunction against the law taking effect pending the outcome of a court challenge. As Aimless brought up in another thread, that's unlikely to happen since the lower courts are anti-gun. I think it would take years before the Supreme Court would hear something like this. And who knows what composition it will have by then? |
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I doubt they care enough about businesses to do that. I think the 7 round thing has been floating around amongst the idiots for awhile Yes it has. Anyone old enough to remember the original Fed ban may recall that RIGHT AFTER it passed the libs came back with a bill that was dubbed Brady II. It imposed a 6 or 7 round limit vs the 10 rds of the 94 ban. They had JUST won the passage of the 94 ban and if anything Brady II showed that they were willing to stop at nothing and it exposed their incrementalism. Thats what doomed them with some of the pols who barely accepted the 94 ban.... |
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Posted this in another thread: what does this mean for pistol owners? Let's use Glock for example-do they make 7 round magazines? The only Glock that would be compliant would be the single stack 45 model with its six round mag. Not by accident ( I believe ) the only two NY handgun manufacturers make 1911s that have..you guessed it...a 7 round capacity..... I have a Kimber in .40 S&W, it takes standard 8 round mags  . my only compliant hand huns would be a Kahr PM9 and Ruger LCP, both are used as BUG's. Guess all my others are evil baby killers
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One of my sources told me just minutes ago that a possible compromise being is cussed is you could have mags capable of holding more than seven rounds, but if you are caught with more than seven rounds in the mag it would be a class E felony, talk about potential for abuse if true. You possess a mag capable of holding ten or thirty rounds, only have seven in it... Somebody wants to set you up, pop in an extra round.
Word I heard is Monday we may see a bill. |
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One of my sources told me just minutes ago that a possible compromise being is cussed is you could have mags capable of holding more than seven rounds, but if you are caught with more than seven rounds in the mag it would be a class E felony, talk about potential for abuse if true. You possess a mag capable of holding ten or thirty rounds, only have seven in it... Somebody wants to set you up, pop in an extra round. Word I heard is Monday we may see a bill. Well I can see how this will help prevent crime. 
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One of my sources told me just minutes ago that a possible compromise being is cussed is you could have mags capable of holding more than seven rounds, but if you are caught with more than seven rounds in the mag it would be a class E felony, talk about potential for abuse if true. You possess a mag capable of holding ten or thirty rounds, only have seven in it... Somebody wants to set you up, pop in an extra round. Word I heard is Monday we may see a bill. Well I can see how this will help prevent crime.
There is nothing about what is being discussed that makes sense. 
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| Why are they even discussing compromise. Just say NO. This is my beef with Skelos he should be saying no way to all of this and being very vocal about it in the press. Instead he has said nothing except that he is willing to cave on magazines. I can not believe that the Republicans don't understand if they cave on this they are done as a party in NY. They will be irrelevant. Do they not have an option to filibuster in the NY Senate? |
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Quoted: One of my sources told me just minutes ago that a possible compromise being is cussed is you could have mags capable of holding more than seven rounds, but if you are caught with more than seven rounds in the mag it would be a class E felony, talk about potential for abuse if true. You possess a mag capable of holding ten or thirty rounds, only have seven in it... Somebody wants to set you up, pop in an extra round. Word I heard is Monday we may see a bill. and that explains how we're in debt to the tune of 62 BILLION. wow are these people stupid, but this would still be preferable over an outright ban i guess. |
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One of my sources told me just minutes ago that a possible compromise being is cussed is you could have mags capable of holding more than seven rounds, but if you are caught with more than seven rounds in the mag it would be a class E felony, talk about potential for abuse if true. You possess a mag capable of holding ten or thirty rounds, only have seven in it... Somebody wants to set you up, pop in an extra round. Word I heard is Monday we may see a bill. This state is a complete cluster fuck......... |
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Forgive my legislative ignorance but does anyone know the timing of something like this becoming effectual? Is it literally vote Mon or Tues, then assuming it passes the govenr signs the bill that day and that's it - immediate law? Or is there a grace period? Or does anyone know the particular wording of this bill - for example effective June 1st 2013...
The reason I ask is that I have something en route to a FFL that is supposed to arrive late next week - I guess it's possible I may go to pick it up and they won't be able to release it to me??
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One of my sources told me just minutes ago that a possible compromise being is cussed is you could have mags capable of holding more than seven rounds, but if you are caught with more than seven rounds in the mag it would be a class E felony, talk about potential for abuse if true. You possess a mag capable of holding ten or thirty rounds, only have seven in it... Somebody wants to set you up, pop in an extra round. Word I heard is Monday we may see a bill. What a retarded concept. |