[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Shoot Straight rant (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 9/8/2009 12:55:41 PM EDT
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I went into shoot straight Saturday to pick up some 1911 mags. The store clerk
rings them up and then asks for my telephone number. I give him my home number and he punches it into the computer. He then asks if i shopped there before. I told him no, but I have bought, sold and traded with them at gunshows. He then asks for my Drivers License and I decline. He says it is store policy and refuses to sell me the mags. I told him fine. I told him about my prior purchases and advised there would be no more in the future. I went home and ordered 3 mags on line that were better and cheaper than the over priced mags they refused to sell me. I have read other threads where they have pulled this stuff. I can't believe the sheeple cooperate with this BS. When I got out to the parking lot I thought that I should have asked for his Drivers license and see how he would have responded. I understand a DL is needed when purchasing a firearm and maybe ammo if the buyer does not appear to be old enough. But when buying two 8 round mags it is ridiculous. |
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I ask this question not to incite a Molon Labe riot, but, why do you guys care if they swipe your ID? Again, I ask this in all respect.  I feel it is an invasion of privacy. There is a lot of information on the little black strip on the card, probably more than we know. I realize it is their choice to require this but is also the consumers choice not to provide it. I know I am not alone on this matter. As for the prices it again is our choice to purchase or not. I was going to purchase there for the convienence factor. They don't seem to be hurting for business but I feel it is a poor way of doing business, losing customers one at a time. |
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I ask this question not to incite a Molon Labe riot, but, why do you guys care if they swipe your ID? Again, I ask this in all respect. I feel it is an invasion of privacy. There is a lot of information on the little black strip on the card, probably more than we know. I realize it is their choice to require this but is also the consumers choice not to provide it. I know I am not alone on this matter. Ok, I can see that. But here is some info you may or may not know and is totally FYI. Someone can copy your license plate down. Go to the DMV, pay $5 and find out: Your name and driving history. Now The Florida Driver Privacy Protection Act (DPPA) lists people in auto manufacturers conducting recalls, government agencies with reasonable cause, Private Investigators with reasonable cause (this can be broad depending on the PI and his/her moral compass), Businesses verifying for Employment Purposes (but only what you submitted to them), Insurance Companies and Towing Companies (we've all seen some of the people that do this work) to get access to your information. Now that being said, how many people in your family falls into one of the above categories? Or has a friend in one? This kind of info piracy happens all the time and few are ever caught. In fact the only ones they catch are the idiots that look up celebrities or elected officials. There are companies out there that offer this information in the way of databases such as CLEAR, Autotrack, Faces of the Nation, Vehicles of the Nation and many others that collect this info and offer it at a fee to the already mentioned parties. Each of those that I listed charge per search a few dollars to gain access to that information. You must declare a valid DPPA before viewing said info in some cases but as long as you check the right box I've never seen a search declined. Just making you aware that your privacy really is a figment of your imagination to a determined individual with the right knowledge and connections. Hell, sometimes a good old Google search will turn up a plethora of info. |
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For shits and giggles, those of you who live in Hillsborough County check out the Clerk of the Court web page:
Link Click on online searches and put in your own name. Depending on property owned and other factors you may be surprised what you'll find or not find. After all, the information is public record. Now on the surface it may look innocent but one piece of info leads to another less innocent piece and so on. |
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I ask this question not to incite a Molon Labe riot, but, why do you guys care if they swipe your ID? Again, I ask this in all respect. I feel it is an invasion of privacy. There is a lot of information on the little black strip on the card, probably more than we know. I realize it is their choice to require this but is also the consumers choice not to provide it. I know I am not alone on this matter. Ok, I can see that. But here is some info you may or may not know and is totally FYI. Someone can copy your license plate down. Go to the DMV, pay $5 and find out: Your name and driving history. Now The Florida Driver Privacy Protection Act (DPPA) lists people in auto manufacturers conducting recalls, government agencies with reasonable cause, Private Investigators with reasonable cause (this can be broad depending on the PI and his/her moral compass), Businesses verifying for Employment Purposes (but only what you submitted to them), Insurance Companies and Towing Companies (we've all seen some of the people that do this work) to get access to your information. Now that being said, how many people in your family falls into one of the above categories? Or has a friend in one? This kind of info piracy happens all the time and few are ever caught. In fact the only ones they catch are the idiots that look up celebrities or elected officials. There are companies out there that offer this information in the way of databases such as CLEAR, Autotrack, Faces of the Nation, Vehicles of the Nation and many others that collect this info and offer it at a fee to the already mentioned parties. Each of those that I listed charge per search a few dollars to gain access to that information. You must declare a valid DPPA before viewing said info in some cases but as long as you check the right box I've never seen a search declined. Just making you aware that your privacy really is a figment of your imagination to a determined individual with the right knowledge and connections. Hell, sometimes a good old Google search will turn up a plethora of info. But all this information is totally unnecessary for this type of transaction. So, they are doing it because: 1 - they have so much hard disk space they want to fill it up with all the information they can. 2 - they are selling the extra information you provide to make yet more money on top of what they are overcharging you already. Sure as you stated the same information could be retrieved for $5 but why spend $5 when you can get it for free. |
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They sell the information to an outside company who makes it possible for you to recieve a metrc shit ton of junk mail you never wanted or needed. If they want to "See" my ID to confirm my age I have no problem with it. At the point they want to "Put me in the system" they can Fuck Off...
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For that 5 dollars you get very little info. I can run them for free at work and get the same info, but I would get fired if I used it for non work
related purposes. I feel that my SS number may be buried on that card, who knows what else there is on it. I do not want to have my info shared, my purchases logged etc. Remember if they got raided for some reason the LEO's would then have that info. I know it is not likely to happen but has happened to other FFL dealers. But like I said prior it is my choice not to buy from them. I made a mistake and drove 15 miles out of the way to go there and I learned a lesson that I thought I would share just as others have done prior. I just wish I would have listened to the others that posted their experiences on this issue. |
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For that 5 dollars you get very little info. I can run them for free at work and get the same info, but I would get fired if I used it for non work related purposes. I feel that my SS number may be buried on that card, who knows what else there is on it. I do not want to have my info shared, my purchases logged etc. Remember if they got raided for some reason the LEO's would then have that info. I know it is not likely to happen but has happened to other FFL dealers. Like I said, a little info leads to bigger info. Sometimes just a name is enough to get started. But you are correct. One of the reasons I suspect but cannot confirm is that after the whole USF Terrorist fiasco with Megahead and the other slimeball, is that they did this to catalog who is coming and going if DHS comes in again for some kids on a student visa buying gun related items and ammo. But that is just pure speculation on my part. |
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For that 5 dollars you get very little info. I can run them for free at work and get the same info, but I would get fired if I used it for non work related purposes. I feel that my SS number may be buried on that card, who knows what else there is on it. I do not want to have my info shared, my purchases logged etc. Remember if they got raided for some reason the LEO's would then have that info. I know it is not likely to happen but has happened to other FFL dealers. Like I said, a little info leads to bigger info. Sometimes just a name is enough to get started. But you are correct. One of the reasons I suspect but cannot confirm is that after the whole USF Terrorist fiasco with Megahead and the other slimeball, is that they did this to catalog who is coming and going if DHS comes in again for some kids on a student visa buying gun related items and ammo. But that is just pure speculation on my part. I am not certain, but I believe I read stories like this before that happened. That is how they found out about them. I wonder how the LEO's new they went there? Did shoot straight give then this info on their own? But they used the range and I can see why they would hold a DL of someone using the range and renting firearms. |
| BTW, i was told by a Broward bureacrat that if you email them, your email address becomes public info and can and will be disclosed, much better to talk to your government officious bureacrat by phone, ( and disquise your voice if you are particularly paranoid) google your email name and look at how many times it pops up. |
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For that 5 dollars you get very little info. I can run them for free at work and get the same info, but I would get fired if I used it for non work related purposes. I feel that my SS number may be buried on that card, who knows what else there is on it. I do not want to have my info shared, my purchases logged etc. Remember if they got raided for some reason the LEO's would then have that info. I know it is not likely to happen but has happened to other FFL dealers. Like I said, a little info leads to bigger info. Sometimes just a name is enough to get started. But you are correct. One of the reasons I suspect but cannot confirm is that after the whole USF Terrorist fiasco with Megahead and the other slimeball, is that they did this to catalog who is coming and going if DHS comes in again for some kids on a student visa buying gun related items and ammo. But that is just pure speculation on my part. I am not certain, but I believe I read stories like this before that happened. That is how they found out about them. I wonder how the LEO's new they went there? Did shoot straight give then this info on their own? But they used the range and I can see why they would hold a DL of someone using the range and renting firearms. I believe they had them on video and some of there "friends" said they had been there before. |
Wow... Already 2 pages 
I only will use SS Tampa for their 100 yard indoor range. I shoot as fast and as clean as humanly possible so I don't have to pay out the ass to use the range to sight in a rifle ($15 per hr for the rifle range) Edit: I know there is at lest 1 guy in FL that likes SS. I wonder if he works there  
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Shoot Straight can eat shit.... I will NEVER go there again. They pulled the same driver license bs on me while trying to buy a cleaning rod! I told them to forget about it and that I will never be back.
I think someone should order an expensive and heavy guns safe. Hopefully they have to order it or at least move it around quite a bit before asking for the DL. Then tell them hell no. Ha |
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Yes Speculation it is.. Are you saying I am lying? If so you are mistaken and I answered your PM. Do you work for them? The speculation remark was ijn response to apricotman's post.. I don't doubt at all that's what happened to you in that store.. |
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Yes Speculation it is.. Are you saying I am lying? If so you are mistaken and I answered your PM. Do you work for them? The speculation remark was ijn response to apricotman's post.. I don't doubt at all that's what happened to you in that store.. In the pursuit of " Transparency" This is a copy of the PM's between myself and Banditman I believe I have answered his questions.. I would be curious which Shoot Straight told you that could not sell to you, because you would not allow them to enter a simple name, address, and phone number.. The swiping of the FDL only cuts down on the typing.. there is NO other information gathered.. from the swipe.. Regards and thanks for the information.. They asked me for my home #. I gave that to him and he then asked for my DL #. I did not refuse to give him my name or address. ANS>> It's eaiser to swipe the card than most people can type.. Why ask me this in a pm? ANS>> I asked in a PM ..as one person would talk to another Do you work for them? ANS>>> Yes .. On the " Corporate" side ,systems and operations,I do not work on the sales floor..OR in Tampa Can you prove there is no other info that they can get from my DL other than my name and address? ANS>>Yes I can.. I installed the cash register system in the other two stores along with the inventory and FFL books.. The program is designed that way.. ONLY Name and address it odes not even pick up the zip code.. I once asked an LEO if when they swipe your license in a traffic stop do they they get any other information.. I took his word the the answer was no.. I don't feel they are entitled to any info from me anyway. ANS>>>Absolutly your right It was a big turn off ANS>>>I understand .. to be told that they cannot sell to you is wrong. and they will not get my Business again. No one else does this where I shop. I will give others business instead. That is my prerogative . This happened in Tampa. Thank you for letting me know about Tampa.. I may just have to " Drop a dime" on the operations.. Regards ditrina Forward Delete |
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Yes Speculation it is.. Are you saying I am lying? If so you are mistaken and I answered your PM. Do you work for them? The speculation remark was ijn response to apricotman's post.. I don't doubt at all that's what happened to you in that store.. Cool, that was just my conspiracy theory nature gone wild. 
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BTW, i was told by a Broward bureacrat that if you email them, your email address becomes public info and can and will be disclosed, much better to talk to your government officious bureacrat by phone, ( and disquise your voice if you are particularly paranoid) google your email name and look at how many times it pops up. You do realize that google keeps that info as well, right? Just by googling something you have entered the info in their database. In this day and age of electronic info, cash is king and if you need anything more than Ulysses S. Grant from me, I'll take my biz elsewhere. That goes for most places I shop and most always anything truly firearm related. |
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Someone needs to go in there. Pick out a whole bunch of stuff and I mean $$$$$$ of $$ . Then when they want the DL tell them to FUK OFF and walk out . Get it on tape for us all to see.  That's actually a great idea,lol.
That would be funny. Pick out some stuff that looks like they have a big markup on it, then put the DL demand to the test. |
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I must've got lucky last night. Showed up there around 8pm, just to browse around. The range seemed nice, but I didn't shoot. Ended up picking up a box of those polymer 5.56 rounds just for the novelty of having them. Didn't get asked for ID until I asked to pay with a debit card, and then he just glanced to make sure the names matched, and handed it back. Didn't swipe it, or punch in the numbers. Maybe because it was nearing closing time, and they wanted to get the heck outta there.
*shrug*, I dunno, I'd go back to try the range, or pick something up if I needed it. LPK's were 69$, and lowers were 120$ I believe. Assembled uppers were kinda expensive if I recall correctly, though. What other options do we have in this area? |
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What do you guys think of the guy that works for them posting our PM on this thread? I didn't ask him
to do that. Where's the trust. That seals the deal and now will say I will NEVER buy anything from them again. His comment about knowing for fact what the register records is rather strange to me. He knows this as fact because he installed them? Did not say if he wrote the software for them. Collect the name and address but not the zip code? Why even collect any info. I bet it collects all the data and only shows the name and address to the clerk. |
Segways for everybody!!!!!!!!
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What do you guys think of the guy that works for them posting our PM on this thread? I didn't ask him to do that. Say what? Did I miss something? Yes Ditrina works for them and pm'd me about this. I answered and he posted our pm in this thread. Although I apologize for any breach of board etiquette, I would stand by my responses,.. Regards.. |
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Could we please get a tack on the "I Hate Shoot Straight" strings......  Jeezus Keerist! I agree with Osprey... let's just tack a thread that says those cocksuckers suck! Yes excellent Idea! A tacked thread would be great being that this topic pops up so often (deservedly so). |
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Quoted: What do you guys think of the guy that works for them posting our PM on this thread? I didn't ask him to do that. Where's the trust. That seals the deal and now will say I will NEVER buy anything from them again. His comment about knowing for fact what the register records is rather strange to me. He knows this as fact because he installed them? Did not say if he wrote the software for them. Collect the name and address but not the zip code? Why even collect any info. I bet it collects all the data and only shows the name and address to the clerk. Your assumption is most likely correct about the software. When something is scanned like that, it's just a start tag and an end tag to the code with data in between. It would be more complicated to exclude specific information from be stored. The only reason to include this requirement is if the data is very disk space intensive. Seeing as how a DL is about 4-5 lines of text, I doubt this is the case. Then the display software basically reads only the cells of data it needs from the database. All the other data is still sitting there in the database waiting to be read by something else if needed. If he truly worked in software development, it would be painfully obvious this is the case. |
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What do you guys think of the guy that works for them posting our PM on this thread? I didn't ask him to do that. Where's the trust. That seals the deal and now will say I will NEVER buy anything from them again. His comment about knowing for fact what the register records is rather strange to me. He knows this as fact because he installed them? Did not say if he wrote the software for them. Collect the name and address but not the zip code? Why even collect any info. I bet it collects all the data and only shows the name and address to the clerk. Your assumption is most likely correct about the software. When something is scanned like that, it's just a start tag and an end tag to the code with data in between. It would be more complicated to exclude specific information from be stored. The only reason to include this requirement is if the data is very disk space intensive. Seeing as how a DL is about 4-5 lines of text, I doubt this is the case. Then the display software basically reads only the cells of data it needs from the database. All the other data is still sitting there in the database waiting to be read by something else if needed. If he truly worked in software development, it would be painfully obvious this is the case. Never stated I worked in software development.. |
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I must've got lucky last night. Showed up there around 8pm, just to browse around. The range seemed nice, but I didn't shoot. Ended up picking up a box of those polymer 5.56 rounds just for the novelty of having them. Didn't get asked for ID until I asked to pay with a debit card, and then he just glanced to make sure the names matched, and handed it back. Didn't swipe it, or punch in the numbers. Maybe because it was nearing closing time, and they wanted to get the heck outta there. *shrug*, I dunno, I'd go back to try the range, or pick something up if I needed it. LPK's were 69$, and lowers were 120$ I believe. Assembled uppers were kinda expensive if I recall correctly, though. What other options do we have in this area? The rifle range is $15 per hour and the handgun range is $13 per hour
The rifle range is nice though. 100 yards indoors 
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