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Bravo! I wish I could have been there. When did that scene occur? Did you talk to the other fellow? I would have, but it would have been as productive as debating religion.
I have no problem with the personalities working at Shooters. I've experienced some typical gun-store-employee flippancy, but nothing overtly rude or malicious. Flippant I can tolerate in this case. It's tolerable because I genuinely feel I am superior to the other person. So I look down on them in a playful sense. Likewise I play with them like they're my cat toy, and they are blissfully ignorant to the dynamics of the social interaction that I am directing. Since I mentioned "typical gun-store-employee flippancy', that brings up an interesting social phenomenon. Why is it that there is this prevalent quality in the personalities of gun store employees? I don't observe that quality in other retail arenas at the level of concentration that I observe it at gun stores. Hmmm... |
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Bravo! I wish I could have been there. When did that scene occur? Did you talk to the other fellow? I would have, but it would have been as productive as debating religion. This happened around noon on Wednesday. I did. We spoke briefly as he tried to argue his point with me. It was a joke, and a poorly written one at that. He stayed for about 2 hours and had to deal with several of our customers who tried talking to him. I think he just got tired of defending his opinion and left. I have no problem with the personalities working at Shooters. I've experienced some typical gun-store-employee flippancy, but nothing overtly rude or malicious. Flippant I can tolerate in this case. It's tolerable because I genuinely feel I am superior to the other person. So I look down on them in a playful sense. Likewise I play with them like they're my cat toy, and they are blissfully ignorant to the dynamics of the social interaction that I am directing. Since I mentioned "typical gun-store-employee flippancy', that brings up an interesting social phenomenon. Why is it that there is this prevalent quality in the personalities of gun store employees? I don't observe that quality in other retail arenas at the level of concentration that I observe it at gun stores. Hmmm... I think it may have to do with the type of people we (gun store employees) encounter on a regular basis. Dealing with extremely ignorant, unsafe, rude, and/or cheap people can be burn you out really fast. Now when I say ignorant I don't mean someone who is just starting out and has limited knowledge. I mean the guy who comes in and thinks he knows everything and is an expert because he owns 3 guns. and can't hit the freaking target with what he does have. By unsafe and rude I mean the jackasses I have to kick out of the range because they don't know basic firearm safety. Or the guy who just whips his gun out of his holster on the sales floor and has the balls to get mad at me when I almost pull mine and start yelling at him. What is it about gun stores that just remove peoples common sense? Pull that gun out in a walmart or a crowded mall and see what happens. Now by cheap I'm talking about the guy who will talk to you about a pistol for 45 mins and then go buy it at Cabelas for $20 less than I have it not realizing that it will likely cost him that much or more in gas. Or he will get mad at you because you won't discount it. Cabelas gets their guns for sometimes as much as $100 less than I can get them for. But I'm evil. When people filling out their background check form can't tell you what country they are a citizen of it wears on you... When you get called a "Racist A$$hole!" Because you refuse to sell a guy a gun to prevent a straw purchase it wears on you... When a little ghetto looking punk comes into the store axeing (that was on purpose) about some 'hollows', makes you open up the box to look at them, picks one up, sets it back down, pulls his sleeve over his hand so he can wipe his prints off of the casing and then announces "yea, gimmie doze!" It wears on you... I don't make any excuses for the times when I have had a poor attitude or been flippant with someone I will apologize for it. I'm sorry if I have treated anyone poorly. As much as I love my job I deal with all levels of society. Some more than others. fyi, bullet punk got kicked out. I will not tolerate that kind of crap /endrant |
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I live within sight of their store.
So sad I missed this. 
I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. |
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I've purchased three guns from Shooters in the past 10 months. I paid sticker and didn't haggle. Nothing big ticket, just a CMMG, an LC9 and an XD(m). I know I can get them for less elsewhere, but I feel a 'need' to support my local "black rifle" store.
But I do have my limits. For instance, if I were to go to Shooters intending to purchase that fat, juicy, delicious M82CQ they have on the shelf, I would definitely put on my Haggling Hat. Gawd damn, I want that CQ... |
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I've purchased three guns from Shooters in the past 10 months. I paid sticker and didn't haggle. Nothing big ticket, just a CMMG, an LC9 and an XD(m). I know I can get them for less elsewhere, but I feel a 'need' to support my local "black gun" store. But I do have my limits. For instance, if I were to go to Shooters intending to purchase that fat, juicy, delicious M82CQ they have on the shelf, I would definitely put on my Haggling Hat. Gawd damn, I want that CQ... Now that I can understand. By the way...she's gone. Sorry dude :( |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. |
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Now that I can understand. By the way...she's gone. Sorry dude :( Last year, around November-ish, Schreyver in Illinois had a CQ for sale for $7500. They told me they were doing it as a favor for Optics Planet who needed to offload it for some reason. I sprung. I gave them my credit card number. It was mine. Done deal. But cash was tight at the time and I became stricken with buyer's remorse, and I cancelled the purchase before they shipped it out. I still cry a little every time I think about it... |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. A lot of stuff like that can be attributed to Consignment guns. Alot of people come in and mark their stuff up like that to make up for the cut we take for selling their stuff. As for the ammo think of it as convenience store pricing. Walmart buys pallets at a time direct from the manufacturer and get if for alot less than we do. We only buy ammo a couple cases at a time and even then it's from distributors and they price it as individual boxes not case pricing. I even tell our customers to get their ammo from a cheaper source. Just can't compete. |
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i wanted to buy a P238 there .. got crap service.. guy talked down to my wife, and acted like she was an idiot and he was above us ...
i used to go there for the range .. i actually LIKE the range there.. i got used to the attitude from the guys behind the counter and could deal with that because the range isnt far from me and i was hoping to make it my normal stop. but then i had that horrible experience that really made my wife feel bad about even wanting to own a gun, and it actually took her a year + to be ok with shopping for a gun again and talking to the gun store guy, handling the gun at the counter, etc.. she just plain didnt want to get treated like an idiot again and it kept her from shopping.. it was a shame. i do actually miss the range .. its closer than where i go now .. even though its a dollar or two more.. too bad i can bring myself to walk in and pay money for the range hoping that i get treated decently for once.. the wife and i were gona hit the range sunday morning or saturday afternoon and i was reading this thread wishing i could go to shooters.. but i just dont know how i feel about it |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. I was not speaking of Shooters in particular (I've never been in the store) but of stoclking stores in general. People whine about the prices at Gander Mountain but they don't see mto have any problems going in GM to finger up their guns and then go buy it somewhere else that doesn't stock it for a couple bucks less. |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. I was not speaking of Shooters in particular (I've never been in the store) but of stoclking stores in general. People whine about the prices at Gander Mountain but they don't see mto have any problems going in GM to finger up their guns and then go buy it somewhere else that doesn't stock it for a couple bucks less. And the fact that they're still in business of selling guns means they get enough customers buying overpriced guns to keep up the practice. My local gun shop had a Kahr CW9, new, for $499. Should I buy that just because they're "local", or should I get the same gun from gungenie, budsgunshop, and have it shipped to the gun shop over in the next town for $417 out the door? Those gun shops get their cut too, and they don't have to stock it. 5 or 10 minutes of paperwork for 35 bucks. Not a bad deal for them. |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. I was not speaking of Shooters in particular (I've never been in the store) but of stoclking stores in general. People whine about the prices at Gander Mountain but they don't see mto have any problems going in GM to finger up their guns and then go buy it somewhere else that doesn't stock it for a couple bucks less. And the fact that they're still in business of selling guns means they get enough customers buying overpriced guns to keep up the practice. My local gun shop had a Kahr CW9, new, for $499. Should I buy that just because they're "local", or should I get the same gun from gungenie, budsgunshop, and have it shipped to the gun shop over in the next town for $417 out the door? Those gun shops get their cut too, and they don't have to stock it. 5 or 10 minutes of paperwork for 35 bucks. Not a bad deal for them. No go right ahead and buy it from them if you know exactly what you want and take the risk of geting something that you didn't think it was. But IMHO going into your local store and handling all his pistols to decide that you want a Kahr CW9 and then ordering it on-line for less is being pretty cheap. Honesty I can't believe that the gun manufactures continue to let this pratice go on because it's cheapening their brand. |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. I was not speaking of Shooters in particular (I've never been in the store) but of stoclking stores in general. People whine about the prices at Gander Mountain but they don't see mto have any problems going in GM to finger up their guns and then go buy it somewhere else that doesn't stock it for a couple bucks less. Okay, take gander for example. They have their Gen 4 Glocks at $700, and that's not a typo. That's $150 over any online store. They wanted $800 for a mossberg 590a1, that's insane. Shooters use to be great in the mid to late nineties, now it feels like you're a bother to any employee in there, and that's if you can even get them to help you at all. |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. I was not speaking of Shooters in particular (I've never been in the store) but of stoclking stores in general. People whine about the prices at Gander Mountain but they don't see mto have any problems going in GM to finger up their guns and then go buy it somewhere else that doesn't stock it for a couple bucks less. And the fact that they're still in business of selling guns means they get enough customers buying overpriced guns to keep up the practice. My local gun shop had a Kahr CW9, new, for $499. Should I buy that just because they're "local", or should I get the same gun from gungenie, budsgunshop, and have it shipped to the gun shop over in the next town for $417 out the door? Those gun shops get their cut too, and they don't have to stock it. 5 or 10 minutes of paperwork for 35 bucks. Not a bad deal for them. No go right ahead and buy it from them if you know exactly what you want and take the risk of geting something that you didn't think it was. But IMHO going into your local store and handling all his pistols to decide that you want a Kahr CW9 and then ordering it on-line for less is being pretty cheap. Honesty I can't believe that the gun manufactures continue to let this pratice go on because it's cheapening their brand. Boy I hope you don't shop around when buying a car/tv/appliances/furniture, because that'd make you a hypocritical cheap skate. |
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I tried to order a special part in the Summer of '08. It FINALLY came in a week after the '08 election and they sold it out from under me. They were only concerned that they hadn't taken any money from me. The company stopped production of that part to focus on whole guns. I was totally SOL. I wished I hadn't just spent 2K in there after that. But that was the thing. Before the '08 election they treated me well and worked for/wanted my business. Afterward, I had to be GOOD enough to do business with them. I'm shocked they didn't have a cover charge to walk in to the store after the '08 election with the way I was treated. I don't plan to go back anytime soon. Maybe after CCW dies down and a Republican gets elected and they NEED my business again, will they treat me like a customer instead of treating me like it is a privilege to buy from them. |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. I was not speaking of Shooters in particular (I've never been in the store) but of stoclking stores in general. People whine about the prices at Gander Mountain but they don't see mto have any problems going in GM to finger up their guns and then go buy it somewhere else that doesn't stock it for a couple bucks less. And the fact that they're still in business of selling guns means they get enough customers buying overpriced guns to keep up the practice. My local gun shop had a Kahr CW9, new, for $499. Should I buy that just because they're "local", or should I get the same gun from gungenie, budsgunshop, and have it shipped to the gun shop over in the next town for $417 out the door? Those gun shops get their cut too, and they don't have to stock it. 5 or 10 minutes of paperwork for 35 bucks. Not a bad deal for them. No go right ahead and buy it from them if you know exactly what you want and take the risk of geting something that you didn't think it was. But IMHO going into your local store and handling all his pistols to decide that you want a Kahr CW9 and then ordering it on-line for less is being pretty cheap. Honesty I can't believe that the gun manufactures continue to let this pratice go on because it's cheapening their brand. Boy I hope you don't shop around when buying a car/tv/appliances/furniture, because that'd make you a hypocritical cheap skate. How so? When I shot for a new truck all the places I go to have the truck I want sitting one the lot. When I buy applicances I go into the store, pay for them and either walk out with them or have them delivered. Furiture I go to a place that stocks it, talk with the salesman about what I want and need and either buy it and leave with it or order it from them if it's something they don't have in stock (but they still earned my business bcause they had other models of the furniture to look at, sit in, etc). THe only thing you mentioned that I didn't buy at a store that had it in stock was a TV. I never set foot into a store that carried TV's but instead did all my research on-line and then bought it on-line. I also accepted the fact that if it wasn't what I wanted or there were better options out there it was my fault for not going to someone who really knew TV's. If I go into two stores that both have the same item in stock and provide equal service then yes I will buy it from the cheaper place. |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. I was not speaking of Shooters in particular (I've never been in the store) but of stoclking stores in general. People whine about the prices at Gander Mountain but they don't see mto have any problems going in GM to finger up their guns and then go buy it somewhere else that doesn't stock it for a couple bucks less. Okay, take gander for example. They have their Gen 4 Glocks at $700, and that's not a typo. That's $150 over any online store. They wanted $800 for a mossberg 590a1, that's insane. Shooters use to be great in the mid to late nineties, now it feels like you're a bother to any employee in there, and that's if you can even get them to help you at all. YEs I know that GM generally has high prices and that's why I don't generally buy from them, but I also don't go in there to play with there guns to go find them on-line cheaper. Usually you can find a stocking dealer that has them for less than GM. When it comes to something as genaric as a Glock I don't know why you would have to go look and handle one though, they're all the same and everybody pretty much knows that they are already. |
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Boy I hope you don't shop around when buying a car/tv/appliances/furniture, because that'd make you a hypocritical cheap skate. How so? When I shot for a new truck all the places I go to have the truck I want sitting one the lot. When I buy applicances I go into the store, pay for them and either walk out with them or have them delivered. Furiture I go to a place that stocks it, talk with the salesman about what I want and need and either buy it and leave with it or order it from them if it's something they don't have in stock (but they still earned my business bcause they had other models of the furniture to look at, sit in, etc). THe only thing you mentioned that I didn't buy at a store that had it in stock was a TV. I never set foot into a store that carried TV's but instead did all my research on-line and then bought it on-line. I also accepted the fact that if it wasn't what I wanted or there were better options out there it was my fault for not going to someone who really knew TV's. If I go into two stores that both have the same item in stock and provide equal service then yes I will buy it from the cheaper place. [/quote] Do you own a house?? If so did you buy the first one you looked at? If not then you should pay all those people for they're time showing you the houses....it's fair right? |
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Love the sign. Well done.
I've been to shooters with cash in hand, ready to buy a $2000 rifle and I left empty handed because of how I was treated. They outright lied to me when I questioned why the gun had parts on it the didn't come from the factory. I was prepared to pay $150-200 more to get it from shooters versus online, but I was not going to pay the $600 more that shooters was asking. Especially when the rifle had non-factory parts that were cheaper. When I asked if they could do a little better on the price I was told to go online if I didn't like what they charge. |
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. I was not speaking of Shooters in particular (I've never been in the store) but of stoclking stores in general. People whine about the prices at Gander Mountain but they don't see mto have any problems going in GM to finger up their guns and then go buy it somewhere else that doesn't stock it for a couple bucks less. And the fact that they're still in business of selling guns means they get enough customers buying overpriced guns to keep up the practice. My local gun shop had a Kahr CW9, new, for $499. Should I buy that just because they're "local", or should I get the same gun from gungenie, budsgunshop, and have it shipped to the gun shop over in the next town for $417 out the door? Those gun shops get their cut too, and they don't have to stock it. 5 or 10 minutes of paperwork for 35 bucks. Not a bad deal for them. No go right ahead and buy it from them if you know exactly what you want and take the risk of geting something that you didn't think it was. But IMHO going into your local store and handling all his pistols to decide that you want a Kahr CW9 and then ordering it on-line for less is being pretty cheap. Honesty I can't believe that the gun manufactures continue to let this pratice go on because it's cheapening their brand. Boy I hope you don't shop around when buying a car/tv/appliances/furniture, because that'd make you a hypocritical cheap skate. How so? When I shot for a new truck all the places I go to have the truck I want sitting one the lot. When I buy applicances I go into the store, pay for them and either walk out with them or have them delivered. Furiture I go to a place that stocks it, talk with the salesman about what I want and need and either buy it and leave with it or order it from them if it's something they don't have in stock (but they still earned my business bcause they had other models of the furniture to look at, sit in, etc). THe only thing you mentioned that I didn't buy at a store that had it in stock was a TV. I never set foot into a store that carried TV's but instead did all my research on-line and then bought it on-line. I also accepted the fact that if it wasn't what I wanted or there were better options out there it was my fault for not going to someone who really knew TV's. If I go into two stores that both have the same item in stock and provide equal service then yes I will buy it from the cheaper place. I think this is the first time I've ever been at the top of such a tall quote-pyramid. 
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I know the economics of trying to run a small brick-n-mortar are a bitch. So I don't really begrudge the prices Shooter's Shop charges. I won't pay those prices, knowing about catalog/auction/internet ordering and kitchen-table FFL's, but I don't get insulted by the prices. I've felt the service was always pretty good though. I figure their business model is predicated on the low volume impulse gun buyer, or the "one gun" buyer, and maybe older guys who don't really understand the whole Gun List/Shotgun News/Internet thing, or just never trusted it. The net savvy guy with 20+ guns, he's just not their target demographic. They've kept their doors open this long. I guess it's working for them. (shrug) You left out one group of gun owners that buy from places like this: The ones that value being able to handle what they are going to buy and handle different guns to decide which one to buy. Problem is way to many of the auction/internet/basement bandit customers go into stores like this to decide which gun they want and after wasting the dealers time and fingering up his guns goes on-line or to the basement bandit and orders if there for $20 less. If you want to buy it the cheapest way possible through the internet or a little FFL guy in his house then you should also accept that you don't get service like being able to handle it and you shouldn't be wasting other people's time because you value price over service. Buying ammo and even a lot of the "black rifle" stuff is one thing because you really don't need to see it or handle it but if you want to see the newest gun from Remington to see if you want one or not then pay up and buy it from the place you actually handle it at, unless their price is just rediculously out of line. You're delusional if you think it's to save "$20 or less". I've seen USED Glocks in shooters for $500. Not to mention ammunition prices are higher than even Walmart. I was not speaking of Shooters in particular (I've never been in the store) but of stoclking stores in general. People whine about the prices at Gander Mountain but they don't see mto have any problems going in GM to finger up their guns and then go buy it somewhere else that doesn't stock it for a couple bucks less. And the fact that they're still in business of selling guns means they get enough customers buying overpriced guns to keep up the practice. My local gun shop had a Kahr CW9, new, for $499. Should I buy that just because they're "local", or should I get the same gun from gungenie, budsgunshop, and have it shipped to the gun shop over in the next town for $417 out the door? Those gun shops get their cut too, and they don't have to stock it. 5 or 10 minutes of paperwork for 35 bucks. Not a bad deal for them. No go right ahead and buy it from them if you know exactly what you want and take the risk of geting something that you didn't think it was. But IMHO going into your local store and handling all his pistols to decide that you want a Kahr CW9 and then ordering it on-line for less is being pretty cheap. Honesty I can't believe that the gun manufactures continue to let this pratice go on because it's cheapening their brand. Boy I hope you don't shop around when buying a car/tv/appliances/furniture, because that'd make you a hypocritical cheap skate. How so? When I shot for a new truck all the places I go to have the truck I want sitting one the lot. When I buy applicances I go into the store, pay for them and either walk out with them or have them delivered. Furiture I go to a place that stocks it, talk with the salesman about what I want and need and either buy it and leave with it or order it from them if it's something they don't have in stock (but they still earned my business bcause they had other models of the furniture to look at, sit in, etc). THe only thing you mentioned that I didn't buy at a store that had it in stock was a TV. I never set foot into a store that carried TV's but instead did all my research on-line and then bought it on-line. I also accepted the fact that if it wasn't what I wanted or there were better options out there it was my fault for not going to someone who really knew TV's. If I go into two stores that both have the same item in stock and provide equal service then yes I will buy it from the cheaper place. I think this is the first time I've ever been at the top of such a tall quote-pyramid. Well let's make it a grand one at that. Shall we? |
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This photo is really getting around the innerwebz! I think I saw it on a failblog post, or meme page, and it's been used on a few other forums totally unrelated to guns. |