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12/29/2009 7:13:07 AM EDT
Hey guys,

I am looking to make a simple upgrade to by long range setup and i"m thinking ammo and trigger are the first 2 places that I should go.  For ammo, I am going to go to 75 grain black hills (1:8 - 18" barrell).  Is the next direction to go trigger?

recommendations?

I am a proficient shooter looking to get my groups at 200+ tighter.  I am not sick with the dime size hole disease, just looking for a simple upgrade.

Thanks in advance!
12/29/2009 7:27:22 AM EDT
[#1]
Is your rifle free-floated?  If not, I'd start there.  Trigger down to 3.5# or less will help TONS.  If you want to try something really cheap, the JP trigger spring kits are nice.  Got to feel one last weekend, and it made a HUGE difference on a factory single stage trigger.  Otherwise, I'd get a RRA 2 stage at a minimum if you want to switch out the fire control group.

Reloading your own ammo instead of buying factory stuff will help, too.  You can tune it to YOUR rifle.  I plan to use 69gr Sierra Matchkings in my reloads once I get my .223 built.  Berger makes nice match bullets, too.
12/29/2009 8:00:16 AM EDT
[#2]
Find a shooting coach that will teach you how to shoot.
What group size at what distance are you shooting. What rifle, what ammo.

Don't just start swapping parts and ammo thinking you are doing something.

Just a rule of thumb.
Any AR15 with a properly mounted scope and factory ammo should shoot 2MOA. If your groups are bigger than 2" at 100 yds or 4" at 200 yds then you need shooting lessons. Once you learn to shoot and can shoot to the limit of the weapon system then it's time to upgrade the weapon.
12/29/2009 8:15:02 AM EDT
[#3]
Quoted:
Find a shooting coach that will teach you how to shoot.
What group size at what distance are you shooting. What rifle, what ammo.

Don't just start swapping parts and ammo thinking you are doing something.

Just a rule of thumb.
Any AR15 with a properly mounted scope and factory ammo should shoot 2MOA. If your groups are bigger than 2" at 100 yds or 4" at 200 yds then you need shooting lessons. Once you learn to shoot and can shoot to the limit of the weapon system then it's time to upgrade the weapon.


I've got the shooting part down (not that there isn't room to improve) thanks to "free" lessons from Uncle Sam's Misguided Children.  I can shoot sub MOA at 500 with my 308, this gun shoots 1" at 100 already. I'm looking to go sub MOA at 200-400.  I will probably go with a 2 stage or maybe a timney as a next step.  


Thanks all for the input!
12/29/2009 9:20:15 AM EDT
[#4]
I'd argue that accuracy is also a factor of the barrel.  If you don't have a match barrel in it the odds of shooting sub-MOA go down drastically.  I might just happen to have a new spare 20" stainless Lothar Walther bull bbl at my house if you are interested.
12/29/2009 9:37:35 AM EDT
[#5]
My barrel is a WOA 18" SPR middy.
12/29/2009 11:35:13 AM EDT
[#6]
Quoted:
My barrel is a WOA 18" SPR middy.


Most WOA barrels I've seen hold 1/2 MOA.  If it's free-floated, the trigger upgrade should do the trick.
12/29/2009 12:16:34 PM EDT
[#7]
It is free floated.  Trigger it is!
12/29/2009 1:45:29 PM EDT
[#8]
My WOA SPR barrel it the bomb too.  Your next step would be a JP trigger.  The complete fire control group is about $150.  Money well spent.  I have use 4-5 "match" triggers, and the JP beats them hands down.
12/29/2009 11:24:58 PM EDT
[#9]
this doesn't totally apply because I come from the old school of M14s and the national match course but, the old saying is the three "B"s.   Barrel, Bedding and, Bullets.... and on an M14, unitized gas system and well fitting other parts.  LOL