[ARCHIVED THREAD] - So.. yea.... (Page 1 of 2)
Posted: 1/15/2009 2:40:12 AM EDT
I'll just post the pics and let you try and decipher what happened....
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OK. Who took the picture? The people I was supposedly following to close too... We were Convoying to SHOT Show... We were trying to make an Exit to find gas, and when we merged lanes I had to squeeze in there. The cop didn't pull me till 2 miles later.. Here is the kicker.. HE DROPPED MY HOLSTER OFF THE GUN AS HE WENT TO GET INTO HIS CRUISER.. The "trigger" on my serpa holster bumped his door and fell onto the ground... I leaned out the window and said "Sir, be careful, there's a round in the chamber." He replied, "I know." 
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"Oh you have a concealed weapon? Hand it to me cause I am stupid and want to pass a loaded weapon around while I write you a warning ticket for following to close". That about cover it? LOL, ding ding ding.. CXS Had that happen to me down here but I talked the idiot out of passing a loaded weapon around..I thought LEO's had better training and that guy was old enough to know better. |
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Quoted: While this is correct, it's a fairly standard officer safety procedure. Yes, there was nothing indicating that there was illegal behavior, but the driver doesn't necessarily know this. In addition, there could always be some additional issue like a warrant or restraining order that pops up. Unfortunately, we have to put up with the stupid lectures and temporary removal of firearms. However, if the officer is overly rude, or shows either a gross ignorance or disrespect of the law concerning CCW, that's when I think we place the call. Just my opinion though. He had no reason to disarm you as there was no reason to suspect you were doing anything illegal. His dept should get a phone call. |
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He had no reason to disarm you as there was no reason to suspect you were doing anything illegal. His dept should get a phone call. I really would like to know how you formed this opinion. How is the Officer to know that the gun you keep in the car is legitimate? I don't have the exact details on where custom x was keeping his firearm but it is SOP when I stop a car with a gun in the glove box or center console to secure the firearm and run it through NCIC. So far I've recovered 3 stolen guns this way. |
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Quoted:I really would like to know how you formed this opinion. How is the Officer to know that the gun you keep in the car is legitimate? I don't have the exact details on where custom x was keeping his firearm but it is SOP when I stop a car with a gun in the glove box or center console to secure the firearm and run it through NCIC. So far I've recovered 3 stolen guns this way.
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He had no reason to disarm you as there was no reason to suspect you were doing anything illegal. His dept should get a phone call. I really would like to know how you formed this opinion. How is the Officer to know that the gun you keep in the car is legitimate? I don't have the exact details on where custom x was keeping his firearm but it is SOP when I stop a car with a gun in the glove box or center console to secure the firearm and run it through NCIC. So far I've recovered 3 stolen guns this way. Would you also do a NCIC search if it was just a license check if he handed you a CCW? CXS probably did what he was suppose to do when stopped. Give his lic.,registration and CCW and inform the officer of said defensive weapon. There was no need for the officer to take the pistol or do the check. It's the pistol the officer doesn't know about he has to worry about. Congrates on finding the stolen guns though. Did the perps hand over the guns when you asked about them or was a lawful search of the vehicle performed because there was a resonable cause for the search? Did they have CCWs?Just curious. I have been through numerous checks and was even in a small accident and never has any of them asked for the pistol. They have asked if I had it with me and I'd say yes but that was it, they just continued with what they were doing. |
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He had no reason to disarm you as there was no reason to suspect you were doing anything illegal. His dept should get a phone call. I really would like to know how you formed this opinion. How is the Officer to know that the gun you keep in the car is legitimate? I don't have the exact details on where custom x was keeping his firearm but it is SOP when I stop a car with a gun in the glove box or center console to secure the firearm and run it through NCIC. So far I've recovered 3 stolen guns this way. Would you also do a NCIC search if it was just a license check if he handed you a CCW? CXS probably did what he was suppose to do when stopped. Give his lic.,registration and CCW and inform the officer of said defensive weapon. There was no need for the officer to take the pistol or do the check. It's the pistol the officer doesn't know about he has to worry about. Congrates on finding the stolen guns though. Did the perps hand over the guns when you asked about them or was a lawful search of the vehicle performed because there was a resonable cause for the search? Did they have CCWs?Just curious. I have been through numerous checks and was even in a small accident and never has any of them asked for the pistol. They have asked if I had it with me and I'd say yes but that was it, they just continued with what they were doing. Its not the gun, its the person. I was pulled over a few yrs ago, officer didn't know me from adam, took my guns, ran whutever/background and stolen reports, took 30 mins (blah). I was outa state legally transporting my goods, handed him loaded guns got back mags out etc.. I don't give a F%#@!!! My 2nd ammendment rights we're restored before I ever hit Drive   
Blackops_1. and he is sworn to serve and protect
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He had no reason to disarm you as there was no reason to suspect you were doing anything illegal. His dept should get a phone call. I really would like to know how you formed this opinion. How is the Officer to know that the gun you keep in the car is legitimate? I don't have the exact details on where custom x was keeping his firearm but it is SOP when I stop a car with a gun in the glove box or center console to secure the firearm and run it through NCIC. So far I've recovered 3 stolen guns this way. right, guilty unless proven innocent right? |
| I dont like the idea of being disarmed by anyone.But I have to sympathize with an officer looking out for his own safety. Even though if one goes through the trouble to hand over their permit and inform the officer they are carrying, I feel the chance is nonexistent that they mean the officer any harm. I suppose the possibility does still exist. |
I look at it this way, the odds are 1 in 100 thousand(roughly) to be attacked/need a gun. Now with a cop 10 feet away, 1 in 100 million?  And of course the disarmament is done for the officer's safety, I'm sure theirs been instances where someone with a legal ccw flipped out and shot a cop. Crazy stuff happens, so I don't mind giving him my gun because I know I'm getting it back and I won't need it while he/she is there anyway.
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I feel the chance is nonexistent that they mean the officer any harm. I suppose the possibility does still exist. I've taken a few CCH permitees to jail......you never know what someone stopped by the police may do. Considering what we know about Custom-X, the officer needed to secure the firearm during the encounter. 
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Personally, I don't like the idea of loaded weapons being handled during a stop.
Especially if it's just me and the officer. Would it be unlawful or unreasonable to ask the officer to call for backup so at least when the weapon breaks leather there is a third person with eyes on? I'm not paranoid, but I'm not really the trusting sort either. I suppose another option would be for the officer to physically disarm me himself. ie, "I would prefer you remove my weapon from my person." After all, it's my life were talking about. We all want to go home at the end of the day. Nut jobs come in all flavors, including blue. |
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Personally, I don't like the idea of loaded weapons being handled during a stop. Especially if it's just me and the officer. Would it be unlawful or unreasonable to ask the officer to call for backup so at least when the weapon breaks leather there is a third person with eyes on? I'm not paranoid, but I'm not really the trusting sort either. I suppose another option would be for the officer to physically disarm me himself. ie, "I would prefer you remove my weapon from my person." After all, it's my life were talking about. We all want to go home at the end of the day. Nut jobs come in all flavors, including blue. YOu can ask, but most officers are going to call for a second car once they see the gun anyways. |
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He had no reason to disarm you as there was no reason to suspect you were doing anything illegal. His dept should get a phone call. I really would like to know how you formed this opinion. How is the Officer to know that the gun you keep in the car is legitimate? I don't have the exact details on where custom x was keeping his firearm but it is SOP when I stop a car with a gun in the glove box or center console to secure the firearm and run it through NCIC. So far I've recovered 3 stolen guns this way. In which state? It is not a requirement for me to disarm unless the officer has voiced an articulable reason to suspect that I have broken a law. In NC, after having declared i hold a CHP and I am carrying, my duty has been fulfilled and I do not need to disarm. Running an NCIC check is not standard procedure in NC, but I do see NJ in your handle, so my assumption is that this practice is more commonplace up in the People's Republic of NJ. Please understand that I have the utmost respect for the police, and I cooperate when required; however I have more respect for my rights, and I choose to exercise them. |
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In which state? It is not a requirement for me to disarm unless the officer has voiced an articulable reason to suspect that I have broken a law. In NC, after having declared i hold a CHP and I am carrying, my duty has been fulfilled and I do not need to disarm. Running an NCIC check is not standard procedure in NC, but I do see NJ in your handle, so my assumption is that this practice is more commonplace up in the People's Republic of NJ. Please understand that I have the utmost respect for the police, and I cooperate when required; however I have more respect for my rights, and I choose to exercise them. ever test that theory? |
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Absolutely. I am an open carrier in Charlotte. That theory gets tested almost every day with civilians and the police. Again, I have no disrespect toward the police (coming from an LE family), but I don't mind a little aggravation when I have done nothing wrong.
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NCPatrolAR and M4_Grunt, you guys need to work out who gets that Avatar. You both having the same one is disturbing. It's like wearing the same shirt /same day as someone else at the office, not cool. I have gold colored flair; Steve has bronze. I am the more likable of the (2) of us. 
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NCPatrolAR I may be taking that the wrong way but I feel that that is someone saying they are above the law. It is in my opinion the reason LEO's in NC have a bad rep. You are taking it wrong. Innocent until proven guilty is the standard for the courtroom, not for being arrested on the street. I only need to feel you are probably guilty to arrest you (unless making a warrant arrest). |
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NCPatrolAR I may be taking that the wrong way but I feel that that is someone saying they are above the law. It is in my opinion the reason LEO's in NC have a bad rep. You are taking it wrong. Innocent until proven guilty is the standard for the courtroom, not for being arrested on the street. I only need to feel you are probably guilty to arrest you (unless making a warrant arrest). This is why cops in NC have a bad rep. This statement is incorrect and it reflects poorly on the training the police receive, not the officer. You are not the law, the judge, or the DA. |
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This is why cops in NC have a bad rep. This statement is incorrect and it reflects poorly on the training the police receive, not the officer. You are not the law, the judge, or the DA. Then drop some knowledge o'wise one. I'm always interested to hear someone tell me how to do my job.
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This is why cops in NC have a bad rep. This statement is incorrect and it reflects poorly on the training the police receive, not the officer. You are not the law, the judge, or the DA. Then drop some knowledge o'wise one. I'm always interested to hear someone tell me how to do my job. I've got 5 or 6 chicks at my work that tell me how to do my job daily. You telling me I shouldn't tolerate that? And I agree with disarming Custom....For HIS personal safety more so than the public's or the officer's |
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This is why cops in NC have a bad rep. This statement is incorrect and it reflects poorly on the training the police receive, not the officer. You are not the law, the judge, or the DA. Then drop some knowledge o'wise one. I'm always interested to hear someone tell me how to do my job. Why? Will you actually listen?
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This is why cops in NC have a bad rep. This statement is incorrect and it reflects poorly on the training the police receive, not the officer. You are not the law, the judge, or the DA. Then drop some knowledge o'wise one. I'm always interested to hear someone tell me how to do my job. Why? Will you actually listen? Oh I'll listen. You can ask any of the people on this forum that know me; and there are plenty, and they will tell you I'll listen to what anyone has to say. They'll also let you know what my response will be if some BS is thrown out Ball is in your court. |