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9/1/2011 10:33:24 AM EDT
Amaze me.  Went to a local gun shop that happens to have a range and shall remain nameless (you know the one).  Guy who just walks out of the range to pay asks about weapon lights and proceeds to pull his gun out of his bag.  He muzzle sweeps me before he had pulled the magazine that was in the gun out of the gun and then does a chamber check.  This pissed me off but he had been bantering with the staff so clearly he knew the shop people better than I did.  For this reason I kept my mouth shut.

I was there to look at a couple of things.  One of which took me to the other side of the shop that happened to be in this guys vicinity.  I turn around and the muzzle is pointed at me again!  At this point I know the gun isn't loaded because I saw him check it the first time he swept me, but I am still more pissed than before because he clearly doesn't care.  I had half a mind to show him what the muzzle of my Kimber looks like since I had seen his twice in about two minutes, but I thought better of it and just left.  The really amazing part is that the guy clearly spent enough time and money in there for all of the employees to know his name and bs with him so it isn't like he is new to guns and he was just being naive about gun safety.

Seriously.  Why would a shop allow people to be put in that situation?  It isn't safe and there is very little that a customer can do about it since your only option is to piss of someone who obviously doesn't mind pointing a gun at you!  There should be a law that pointing a gun at someone, even while unloaded and in a gun shop, is enough of a reason to return fire.  I feel like this would cause people to be a little more cautious.

What would you have done?  Obviously you aren't going to stick your gun in his face, but would you leave like I did or would you have made an issue of it?  If so what would you have said?  


9/1/2011 1:51:01 PM EDT
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Amaze me.  Went to a local gun shop that happens to have a range and shall remain nameless (you know the one).  Guy who just walks out of the range to pay asks about weapon lights and proceeds to pull his gun out of his bag.  He muzzle sweeps me before he had pulled the magazine that was in the gun out of the gun and then does a chamber check.  This pissed me off but he had been bantering with the staff so clearly he knew the shop people better than I did.  For this reason I kept my mouth shut.

I was there to look at a couple of things.  One of which took me to the other side of the shop that happened to be in this guys vicinity.  I turn around and the muzzle is pointed at me again!  At this point I know the gun isn't loaded because I saw him check it the first time he swept me, but I am still more pissed than before because he clearly doesn't care.  I had half a mind to show him what the muzzle of my Kimber looks like since I had seen his twice in about two minutes, but I thought better of it and just left.  The really amazing part is that the guy clearly spent enough time and money in there for all of the employees to know his name and bs with him so it isn't like he is new to guns and he was just being naive about gun safety.

Seriously.  Why would a shop allow people to be put in that situation?  It isn't safe and there is very little that a customer can do about it since your only option is to piss of someone who obviously doesn't mind pointing a gun at you!  There should be a law that pointing a gun at someone, even while unloaded and in a gun shop, is enough of a reason to return fire.  I feel like this would cause people to be a little more cautious.

What would you have done?  Obviously you aren't going to stick your gun in his face, but would you leave like I did or would you have made an issue of it?  If so what would you have said?  




While the gun owner should have better sense and awareness of his surroundings, I think it's really the person working behind the counter that needs to step up in that situation.  He needs to set the precedent that "this is the safe direction for you to point that thing," since the customer clearly had no idea.  The last thing a gun shop (owner) needs is for people to be pointing guns in every which direction especially in the close confines of the shop you're talking about (that shall remain nameless).

Honestly, my reaction would have been to move as far away from the guy and his waving muzzle ASAP without saying a word.  As much as many people need to hear "hey dumbass" on a regular basis, I probably wouldn't have seized that opportunity for a gun safety lecture.  Think about it, his response would have either been 1. "Oh, sorry about that... don't know what I was thinking," which means he has a clue and just wasn't aware of his surroundings  ... OR ... 2. "Oh, don't worry, it's not loaded," which means he is well beyond any help.
9/1/2011 2:07:28 PM EDT
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i would have politely informed the person that they had swept me and I felt very uncomfortable about that.  No need to make a scene or humiliate the offender unless they serve  up some attitude.
9/1/2011 5:12:28 PM EDT
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i would have politely informed the person that they had swept me and I felt very uncomfortable about that.  No need to make a scene or humiliate the offender unless they serve  up some attitude.


When someone points a gun at me the last thing I care about is their feelings and the only type of scene that I was worried about was a crime scene.
9/1/2011 7:58:21 PM EDT
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i would have politely informed the person that they had swept me and I felt very uncomfortable about that.  No need to make a scene or humiliate the offender unless they serve  up some attitude.




When someone points a gun at me the last thing I care about is their feelings and the only type of scene that I was worried about was a crime scene.


This. Hopefully the hillsdale shooting range gets built quickly.



I would prefer a range at least somewhat managed with a RO always checking things.
 
9/2/2011 5:44:32 AM EDT
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i would have politely informed the person that they had swept me and I felt very uncomfortable about that.  No need to make a scene or humiliate the offender unless they serve  up some attitude.


When someone points a gun at me the last thing I care about is their feelings and the only type of scene that I was worried about was a crime scene.

This. Hopefully the hillsdale shooting range gets built quickly.

I would prefer a range at least somewhat managed with a RO always checking things.


 


careful what  you ask for

9/3/2011 6:27:47 PM EDT
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If you're talking about Ogdens best I know exactly who the muzzle sweeper you are talking about is. I work with him.
9/4/2011 7:23:22 AM EDT
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i would have politely informed the person that they had swept me and I felt very uncomfortable about that.  No need to make a scene or humiliate the offender unless they serve  up some attitude.


When someone points a gun at me the last thing I care about is their feelings and the only type of scene that I was worried about was a crime scene.

This. Hopefully the hillsdale shooting range gets built quickly.

I would prefer a range at least somewhat managed with a RO always checking things.


 


I still don't think that it's ever going to happen.

I've been swept a lot at shops.  If I'm nearby and they start to move towards me, I guide their arm in a different direction.  Otherwise I politely remind them of the firearms safety rules.  Disregard and do it again?  I have a sharp tongue.