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8/9/2006 7:52:17 PM EDT
I know that this is a NO NO in California but i just had to ask, is it possible to have a SOUND SUPPRESSOR on your AR15?  How about if it's a registered one?
8/9/2006 8:01:08 PM EDT
[#1]
Pretty must outside of being a peace officer/government agent or working in hollywood on a movie (both of which get granted in INSANELY rare cases) no one can have one in California. Let me put it this way, in the big burro shoots I have been to there have been countless ARs, FALs, MP5s, etc with out even a second glance. Someone pulled out a rifle with a fake suppressor on it (it was a barrel extension on a Krinkerplinker of all things) and someone came over to tell us that it was against the law and we had to leave. Even after explaining and demonstrating that it was a fake, he still walked away uneasy.

Pretty much if you have a suppressor, get ready to either be arrested or have questions asked. They are simply a no-no, just as bad as full auto, maybe worse.
8/9/2006 8:07:01 PM EDT
[#2]
DARN .. this is sad. We need BWISE to run for Governor so we can have all the goodies.
8/10/2006 10:58:55 AM EDT
[#3]

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DARN .. this is sad. We need BWISE to run for Governor so we can have all the goodies.


Actually the problem is more with the legislature vice the governator but I'd vote for Bill.
8/10/2006 7:02:24 PM EDT
[#4]

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DARN .. this is sad. We need BWISE to run for Governor so we can have all the goodies.


Actually the problem is more with the legislature vice the governator but I'd vote for Bill.


You'd vote for someone who wants you to register your guns, turn them into the police, or cut them up into small pieces?
8/10/2006 7:17:59 PM EDT
[#5]

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Quoted:

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DARN .. this is sad. We need BWISE to run for Governor so we can have all the goodies.


Actually the problem is more with the legislature vice the governator but I'd vote for Bill.


You'd vote for someone who wants you to register your guns, turn them into the police, or cut them up into small pieces?


 Is that before or after he calls everyone idiots and blows a fuse?
8/10/2006 8:33:52 PM EDT
[#6]

Quoted:

Actually the problem is more with the legislature vice the governator but I'd vote for Bill.


You'd vote for someone who wants you to register your guns, turn them into the police, or cut them up into small pieces?

Whoever said I really want you to reg your guns, turn them into the cops or cut them up?

I just said that the latter two are your only legal options if you screwed up and didn't reg. And that those that didn't do it at the right time are idiots (unless they're gonna fight their personal Rambo revolution all at once - but these are usu the ones whining, "Why did they bust me???")

And if we manage to reg some new OLL-based AR/AKs s in CA at least we have 40+K new AWs in CA.  But that battle was lost a long time ago (reging AWs) - so all we can at least is to try to crowbar the system a bit.  Gunowners flopped in not passing RKBA.


No, if I were dreaming about being governor...
- 16 year olds could buy AR and MP5 parts at Home Depot.
- state income tax cut in half;
- no children of gov't employees can become gov't employees (i.e., cut the cycle of welfare dependence)
- 30% of state employees cut, 10%/year, attrition will do some work
- all CA city + stete employee pensions converted to 401K defined contribution like the rest of us have (for those under 50);
- state employees' health insurance will have higher deductibles;
- abolish DOJ Firearms Division (!!) and Narcotics Div (let the DEA do it, why duplicate?)
- fix workers' comp rates and crap lawsuits etc.
- police/fire retirement age raised, disability benefits issuance deeply investigated;
- redistrict via computer-drawn districts based simply on regional population density;
- abolish DMV as useless: clearly drivers' license issuance has no relation to driving skill or validating legal residency;
- no benefits for illegal aliens;
- any gov't employees asssisting illegal aliens get charged w/'aiding & abetting', etc. - this includes doctors and schoolteachers;


Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA



8/10/2006 9:41:49 PM EDT
[#7]

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Actually the problem is more with the legislature vice the governator but I'd vote for Bill. <-Actually Paul said that, not me


You'd vote for someone who wants you to register your guns, turn them into the police, or cut them up into small pieces?

Whoever said I really want you to reg your guns, turn them into the cops or cut them up?
Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA





As recently as this week:


CHOP UP THAT RECEIVER NOW. Or, CALL A LAWYER TO ARRANGE SURRENDER.


From the same thread:


Negotiated surrender to PD of an unreg'd AW is an established proecedure, fairly common. Kinda 'no questions asked'. It also apparently kills any self-incrimination matters.

Nevertheless, having a lawyer being the buffer is helpful 'just in case'.

Otherwise, it's Dremel or RotoSaw time...


And his opinion of another poster who told someone they should NOT give up their firearm. Hmm, weren't the first shots of the Revolution fired at at Lexington and Concord because the British were going there to CONFISCATE the colonists guns? Some of them DIED to save the firearms:


Anyone who follows your ideas to save a $150 receiver and risk multiple felony prosecution is simply brain-dead and should be put out of his misery.

Bill Wiese
San Jose


From March. A statement where he says he hopes they list the OLLs - which he knows would lead to registration:


Hoping the 'irritation factor' takes off and he sez "shut this crap down, list 'em!"

Bill W.
San Jose

Posted :: 3/2/2006 2:37:51 PM


On the other hand, these guys get it:


Quoted:
I'm sure hoping the DOJ would ban more guns so people could register them is not what the Founding Fathers had in mind.




Quoted: Big plus one. While it would be nice to register my AR type lowers and use them as full fledge AR's, I would rather sit on them stripped forever than register them and have to build them as Fab10 type lowers.


Just so you know Bill. I'm just making fun of you. No hard feelings.
8/10/2006 9:49:57 PM EDT
[#8]

Quoted:

Quoted:

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Actually the problem is more with the legislature vice the governator but I'd vote for Bill. <-Actually Paul said that, not me


You'd vote for someone who wants you to register your guns, turn them into the police, or cut them up into small pieces?

Whoever said I really want you to reg your guns, turn them into the cops or cut them up?
Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA





As recently as this week:


CHOP UP THAT RECEIVER NOW. Or, CALL A LAWYER TO ARRANGE SURRENDER.


From the same thread:


Negotiated surrender to PD of an unreg'd AW is an established proecedure, fairly common. Kinda 'no questions asked'. It also apparently kills any self-incrimination matters.

Nevertheless, having a lawyer being the buffer is helpful 'just in case'.

Otherwise, it's Dremel or RotoSaw time...


And his opinion of another poster who told someone they should NOT give up their firearm:


Anyone who follows your ideas to save a $150 receiver and risk multiple felony prosecution is simply brain-dead and should be put out of his misery.

Bill Wiese
San Jose


From March. A statement where he says he hopes they list the OLLs - which he knows would lead to registration:


Hoping the 'irritation factor' takes off and he sez "shut this crap down, list 'em!"

Bill W.
San Jose

Posted :: 3/2/2006 2:37:51 PM


On the other hand, these guys get it:


Quoted:
I'm sure hoping the DOJ would ban more guns so people could register them is not what the Founding Fathers had in mind.




Quoted: Big plus one. While it would be nice to register my AR type lowers and use them as full fledge AR's, I would rather sit on them stripped forever than register them and have to build them as Fab10 type lowers.


Just so you know Bill. I'm just making fun of you. No hard feelings.


I guess you never figured out that he was talking about those knuckleheads who are felons by posessing certain illegal items.  If for whatever reason you have one, and you don't want to be another felony statistic if caught with it, you better get rid of it.  You can spout all your philosophical reasons why you don't like the laws, but that's the law the way it is now.  And unless you want to join Mahatma Ghandhi, Henry David Thoreau and others of that ilk in taking the consequences of civil disobedience, you better get rid of it, and his suggested methods are just about the only things available to you.

Of course if you did have that figured out and just felt compelled to not mention it you probably have a great career waiting for you at the LA Times as a "News" writer.
8/10/2006 10:04:25 PM EDT
[#9]

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No, if I were dreaming about being governor...
- 16 year olds could buy AR and MP5 parts at Home Depot.
- state income tax cut in half;
- no children of gov't employees can become gov't employees (i.e., cut the cycle of welfare dependence)
- 30% of state employees cut, 10%/year, attrition will do some work
- all CA city + stete employee pensions converted to 401K defined contribution like the rest of us have (for those under 50);
- state employees' health insurance will have higher deductibles;
- abolish DOJ Firearms Division (!!) and Narcotics Div (let the DEA do it, why duplicate?)
- fix workers' comp rates and crap lawsuits etc.
- police/fire retirement age raised, disability benefits issuance deeply investigated;
- redistrict via computer-drawn districts based simply on regional population density;
- abolish DMV as useless: clearly drivers' license issuance has no relation to driving skill or validating legal residency;
- no benefits for illegal aliens;
- any gov't employees asssisting illegal aliens get charged w/'aiding & abetting', etc. - this includes doctors and schoolteachers;


Bill Wiese
San Jose, CA



 I might have to give you a write in vote
8/10/2006 10:19:26 PM EDT
[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:

Just so you know Bill. I'm just making fun of you. No hard feelings.


I guess you never figured out that he was talking about those knuckleheads who are felons by posessing certain illegal items.  If for whatever reason you have one, and you don't want to be another felony statistic if caught with it, you better get rid of it.  You can spout all your philosophical reasons why you don't like the laws, but that's the law the way it is now.  And unless you want to join Mahatma Ghandhi, Henry David Thoreau and others of that ilk in taking the consequences of civil disobedience, you better get rid of it, and his suggested methods are just about the only things available to you.


Well, I GUESS you missed that last line, eh Pa?


Of course if you did have that figured out and just felt compelled to not mention it you probably have a great career waiting for you at the LA Times as a "News" writer.


Of course I know what he's been trying to say. The statements were quoted out of context deliberately. If they hadn't been, how could I yank his chain