Posted: 1/24/2012 8:09:00 AM EDT
| Do I need to have it shipped to an FFL or can it be shipped direct to my home on LI? Same question for a complete upper and LPK. Thanks for your help. |
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Phil are you saying that if I find a lower for sale, say in the ee, from a private Indy that lives in nys he can sell and ship it to me with no ffls involved? That is correct. As I get older,I only sell to people I know or pistol permit holders. Yes that's what I'm saying, if the seller is willing As far as RKBAR's statement on USPS, he iIs correct. Domestic mail regs prohibit the mailing of any concealable firearm by a non-FFL which is generally taken to include lowers. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I believe a stripped lower receiver should not be shipped through the USPS. YMMV. Care to elaborate? Legal length rifles/shotguns are mailable. The ATF defines a stripped receiver as a "firearm" "other" and not a rifle/shotgun. YMMV. 2.2 Rifles and Shotguns Except under 12.1.1d and 12.1.2, unloaded rifles and shotguns are mailable. Mailers must comply with the rules and regulations under 27 CFR, Part 478, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and not ineligible for mailing under 12.1.1d. The following conditions also apply: a. Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when sent within the same state of mailing. These items must bear a "Return Service Requested” endorsement, and must be sent by Express Mail ("signature required” must be used at delivery), Registered Mail, or must include either insured mail service (for more than $200) requiring a signature at delivery. b. A shotgun or rifle owned by a non-FFL may be mailed outside the owner's state of residence by the owner to himself or herself, in care of another person in the state, where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. These mailpieces must: 1. Be addressed to the owner. 2. Include the "in the care of” endorsement immediately preceding the name of the applicable temporary custodian. 3. Be opened by the rifle or shotgun owner only. 4. Be mailed using services described in 12.2a.. c. Rifles and shotguns may be mailed by a non-FFL owner domestically to a FFL dealer, manufacturer, or importer in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed using those services described in 12.2a.. d. Except as described in 12.1.2a, licensed curio and relic collectors may mail firearms meeting the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 domestically to FFL licensed curio and relic collectors in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed using those services described in 12.2a.. e. Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest may be accepted for mailing without restriction. f. Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a are mailable. A shipment containing an air gun with a muzzle velocity of 400 or more feet per second (fps) must include an Adult Signature service under 503.8.0. Mailers must additionally comply with all applicable state and local regulations. 12.3 Legal Opinions on Mailing Firearms Postmasters are not authorized to give opinions on the legality of any shipment of firearms. Further advice and ATF contact information is available at http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/. |
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I believe a stripped lower receiver should not be shipped through the USPS. YMMV. Care to elaborate? Legal length rifles/shotguns are mailable. The ATF defines a stripped receiver as a "firearm" "other" and not a rifle/shotgun. YMMV. 2.2 Rifles and Shotguns Except under 12.1.1d and 12.1.2, unloaded rifles and shotguns are mailable. Mailers must comply with the rules and regulations under 27 CFR, Part 478, as well as state and local laws. The mailer may be required by the USPS to establish, by opening the parcel or by written certification, that the rifle or shotgun is unloaded and not ineligible for mailing under 12.1.1d. The following conditions also apply: a. Subject to state, territory, or district regulations, rifles and shotguns may be mailed without restriction when sent within the same state of mailing. These items must bear a "Return Service Requested” endorsement, and must be sent by Express Mail ("signature required” must be used at delivery), Registered Mail, or must include either insured mail service (for more than $200) requiring a signature at delivery. b. A shotgun or rifle owned by a non-FFL may be mailed outside the owner's state of residence by the owner to himself or herself, in care of another person in the state, where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. These mailpieces must: 1. Be addressed to the owner. 2. Include the "in the care of” endorsement immediately preceding the name of the applicable temporary custodian. 3. Be opened by the rifle or shotgun owner only. 4. Be mailed using services described in 12.2a.. c. Rifles and shotguns may be mailed by a non-FFL owner domestically to a FFL dealer, manufacturer, or importer in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed using those services described in 12.2a.. d. Except as described in 12.1.2a, licensed curio and relic collectors may mail firearms meeting the definition of curios or relics under 27 CFR 478.11 domestically to FFL licensed curio and relic collectors in any state. USPS recommends these items be mailed using those services described in 12.2a.. e. Firearms which are certified by the curator of a municipal, state, or federal museum which exhibits firearms to be curios or relics of museum interest may be accepted for mailing without restriction. f. Air guns that do not fall within the definition of firearm under 12.1.1a are mailable. A shipment containing an air gun with a muzzle velocity of 400 or more feet per second (fps) must include an Adult Signature service under 503.8.0. Mailers must additionally comply with all applicable state and local regulations. 12.3 Legal Opinions on Mailing Firearms Postmasters are not authorized to give opinions on the legality of any shipment of firearms. Further advice and ATF contact information is available at http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/. Don't forget this http://pe.usps.com/archive/html/dmmarchive0810/C024.htm |
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That is an outdated section of the Domestic Mail Manual from 2003. The newest edition was released on 1/22/12. As long as you use Express Mail/Signature Required, Registered Mail or Insured Priority Mail which all require a signature, you are following Postal regulations. You guys are splitting legal hairs on a stripped receiver. If it was purchased and engraved as a pistol lower, then it could not be shipped via USPS. |
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Ooh an update to the DMM! Looks like I have some reading to do tonite. It is updated every year and supplements are added during the calendar year. I thought that you knew that big bureaucracies thrive on pumping out reams of regulations. It was my job to know all of this crap before I retired. 
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Quoted: That is an outdated section of the Domestic Mail Manual from 2003. The newest edition was released on 1/22/12. As long as you use Express Mail/Signature Required, Registered Mail or Insured Priority Mail which all require a signature, you are following Postal regulations. You guys are splitting legal hairs on a stripped receiver. If it was purchased and engraved as a pistol lower, then it could not be shipped via USPS. I listed the applicable section from the updated DMM as of 1/22/12. I don't see the point of shipping a stripped receiver via the USPS which is questionable when a common carrier is permitted to ship firearms including handguns from an unlicensed person for all lawful purposes. Hence YMMV. |
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Quoted: I don't see the point of shipping a stripped receiver via the USPS which is questionable when a common carrier is permitted to ship firearms including handguns from an unlicensed person for all lawful purposes. Hence YMMV. I thought the issue boiled down to convenience. Don't UPS and Fedex require the package to be presented at their shipping facility? IIRC, you cannot ship a firearm from a UPS Store but have to go to an actual UPS facility. The nearest UPS or Fedex facility is about ten miles from my location. For better or worse, USPS has facilities just about everywhere. |
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Do I need to have it shipped to an FFL or can it be shipped direct to my home on LI? Same question for a complete upper and LPK. Thanks for your help. hunters sports in massapequa has spikes stripped lowers in stock , and lpk's Or you can go here LRB arms |
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Do I need to have it shipped to an FFL or can it be shipped direct to my home on LI? Same question for a complete upper and LPK. Thanks for your help. hunters sports in massapequa has spikes stripped lowers in stock , and lpk's Any idea how much? |
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Do I need to have it shipped to an FFL or can it be shipped direct to my home on LI? Same question for a complete upper and LPK. Thanks for your help. hunters sports in massapequa has spikes stripped lowers in stock , and lpk's Any idea how much? Stripped lowers are around 100, lpks around 70 |
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Do I need to have it shipped to an FFL or can it be shipped direct to my home on LI? Same question for a complete upper and LPK. Thanks for your help. hunters sports in massapequa has spikes stripped lowers in stock , and lpk's Any idea how much? Stripped lowers are around 100, lpks around 70 Not in stock as of today. |