Posted: 12/9/2011 3:16:00 AM EDT
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Cameron vetoes EU wide treaty changes saying its not in Britains best interest.
This pisses off the Europeans. They don't want us there. The public here don't want to be there. What's the problem with just leaving it? 
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Cameron vetoes EU wide treaty changes saying its not in Britains best interest. This pisses off the Europeans. They don't want us there. The public here don't want to be there. What's the problem with just leaving it?
Why can't we have a referendum? I find myself agreeing with you again Mark - what is going on? Next thing you know I'll be buying an AR... 
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It's not as easy as just leaving it.
The EU as a trading alliance, is a good thing. It was set up after WWII to get the European market back on it's feet and stimulate economic growth to aid the post war recovery. However, while the froggies and krauts want want everyone to be in one big happy clappy socialist utopia run by Van Rumpuy and Barrossa and the other EU clowns with a single currency, many countries are reluctant to hand over their fiscal control to the Eurocrats and sacrifice up their sovereign autonomy to the socialist ideal. We need to keep the trade alliances and lose the political drama that overlies it. Cameron has played the safe game that doesn't pull us out, but allows us to maintain influence and protect our interests. He's also scuppered a treaty that would have sucked all member-states into potentially handing over their fuscal control to Brussels which would have meant that Brussels would have had eyes-on control and the information that would have helped them milk us. Equally important is the fact that in the UK "The City" generates £55bn+ a year in revenues for the Govt and the UK and accounts for over 50% of the entire EU's financial service sector. What the EU types want to do is start levying a tax on any finacial trading of stocks and shares. This wil disproportionately hit "The City" harder in the UK than anywhere else in Europe. That levy would go to the EU coffer, which is why the EU want control of our budgets. Add to that the risk of a tax levy in the Eurozone and UK, which would force traders out of the city to other countries such as Japan, USA and emerging markets where the rate of tax is lower. The financial impact of such a move on the UK would be catastrophic. This doesn't affect out trade in imports and exports as that is a different financial structure. There will always be demand for products and commodities and no EU trader is going to cease trading with the UK because we have protected our own interests and assets. Effectively, what the Eurocrats have done is pursued a single currency we didn't want any part of. Now the wheels are falling off, they have seen a potential pot of gold across the Channel in Old Blighty and want to tax one of our most profitable industries, milk it for what they can and when all the traders up sticks and leave the UK, drop us in the mire. Cameron just did us a huge favour and sent a very powerful message to the Eurocrats. I honestly didn't think he'd have the balls to do this, but he has shown his mettle by taking the stance he has. That's the way I see it at the moment anyway. I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong. |
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Quoted: Cameron vetoes EU wide treaty changes saying its not in Britains best interest. This pisses off the Europeans. They don't want us there. The public here don't want to be there. What's the problem with just leaving it? Why can't we have a referendum? Just in case we say "no"  While I have a great distaste for European law (no, "European law, innit" DOES NOT give you a feckin' two year warranty, for feckity feck's feckin' sake. feck) there are commercial advantages that we turn away from at our economic peril. |
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It's not as easy as just leaving it. The EU as a trading alliance, is a good thing. It was set up after WWII to get the European market back on it's feet and stimulate economic growth to aid the post war recovery. However, while the froggies and krauts want want everyone to be in one big happy clappy socialist utopia run by Van Rumpuy and Barrossa and the other EU clowns with a single currency, many countries are reluctant to hand over their fiscal control to the Eurocrats and sacrifice up their sovereign autonomy to the socialist ideal. We need to keep the trade alliances and loose the political drama that overlies it. Cameron has played the safe game that doesn't pull us out, but allows us to maintain influence and protect our influence. He's also scuppered a treaty that would have sucked all member-states into potentially handing over their fuscal control to Brussels which would have meant that Brussels would have had eyes-on control and the information that would have helped them milk us. Equally important is the fact that in the UK "The City" generates £55bn+ a year in revenues for the Govt and the UK and accounts for over 50% of the entire EU's financial service sector. What the EU types want to do is start levying a tax on any finacial trading of stocks and shares. This wil disproportionately hit "The City" harder in the UK than anywhere else in Europe. That levy would go to the EU coffer, which is why the EU want control of our budgets. Add to that the risk of a tax levy in the Eurozone and UK, which would force traders out of the city to other countries such as Japan, USA and emerging markets where the rate of tax is lower. The financial impact of such a move on the UK would be catastrophic. This doesn't affect out trade in imports and exports as that is a different financial structure. There will always be demand for products and commodities and no EU trader is going to cease trading with the UK because we have protected our own interests and assets. Effectively, what the Eurocrats have done is pursued a single currency we didn't want any part of. Now the wheels are falling off, they have seen a potential pot of gold across the Channel in Old Blighty and want to tax one of our most profitable industries, milk it for what they can and when all the traders up sticks and leave the UK, drop us in the mire. Cameron just did us a huge favour and sent a very powerful message to the Eurocrats. I honestly didn't think he'd have the balls to do this, but he has shown his mettle by taking the stance he has. That's the way I see it at the moment anyway. I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong. You can be in the European Economic Region (EER) without being in the EU - as is the case for some of the Scandanavian countries. The UK went into the EU on a bad deal because Charles De Gaulle was vehemently opposed to the UK getting in. So now is the time to play hardball. Get a better deal for the UK or walk. Let's be clear on this. The world has turned since the EU was created. The EU has made the same mistakes as ancient Rome and has been brought down by those which it has taken in. The Euro will never work as a single currency throughout the whole of the EU because the member states are, in many cases, worlds apart. Some of the economies are, quite frankly, third world. How can the same rules be applied to them as apply to Germany for instance? The UK has just as much chance of being seen as a worthy place to do business if it is outwith the EU - but still in the EER. |
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It's not as easy as just leaving it. The EU as a trading alliance, is a good thing. It was set up after WWII to get the European market back on it's feet and stimulate economic growth to aid the post war recovery. However, while the froggies and krauts want want everyone to be in one big happy clappy socialist utopia run by Van Rumpuy and Barrossa and the other EU clowns with a single currency, many countries are reluctant to hand over their fiscal control to the Eurocrats and sacrifice up their sovereign autonomy to the socialist ideal. We need to keep the trade alliances and loose the political drama that overlies it. Cameron has played the safe game that doesn't pull us out, but allows us to maintain influence and protect our influence. He's also scuppered a treaty that would have sucked all member-states into potentially handing over their fuscal control to Brussels which would have meant that Brussels would have had eyes-on control and the information that would have helped them milk us. Equally important is the fact that in the UK "The City" generates £55bn+ a year in revenues for the Govt and the UK and accounts for over 50% of the entire EU's financial service sector. What the EU types want to do is start levying a tax on any finacial trading of stocks and shares. This wil disproportionately hit "The City" harder in the UK than anywhere else in Europe. That levy would go to the EU coffer, which is why the EU want control of our budgets. Add to that the risk of a tax levy in the Eurozone and UK, which would force traders out of the city to other countries such as Japan, USA and emerging markets where the rate of tax is lower. The financial impact of such a move on the UK would be catastrophic. This doesn't affect out trade in imports and exports as that is a different financial structure. There will always be demand for products and commodities and no EU trader is going to cease trading with the UK because we have protected our own interests and assets. Effectively, what the Eurocrats have done is pursued a single currency we didn't want any part of. Now the wheels are falling off, they have seen a potential pot of gold across the Channel in Old Blighty and want to tax one of our most profitable industries, milk it for what they can and when all the traders up sticks and leave the UK, drop us in the mire. Cameron just did us a huge favour and sent a very powerful message to the Eurocrats. I honestly didn't think he'd have the balls to do this, but he has shown his mettle by taking the stance he has. That's the way I see it at the moment anyway. I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong. You can be in the European Economic Region (EER) without being in the EU - as is the case for some of the Scandanavian countries. The UK went into the EU on a bad deal because Charles De Gaulle was vehemently opposed to the UK getting in. So now is the time to play hardball. Get a better deal for the UK or walk. Let's be clear on this. The world has turned since the EU was created. The EU has made the same mistakes as ancient Rome and has been brought down by those which it has taken in. The Euro will never work as a single currency throughout the whole of the EU because the member states are, in many cases, worlds apart. Some of the economies are, quite frankly, third world. How can the same rules be applied to them as apply to Germany for instance? The UK has just as much chance of being seen as a worthy place to do business if it is outwith the EU - but still in the EER. That's what I said 
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It's not as easy as just leaving it. The EU as a trading alliance, is a good thing. It was set up after WWII to get the European market back on it's feet and stimulate economic growth to aid the post war recovery. However, while the froggies and krauts want want everyone to be in one big happy clappy socialist utopia run by Van Rumpuy and Barrossa and the other EU clowns with a single currency, many countries are reluctant to hand over their fiscal control to the Eurocrats and sacrifice up their sovereign autonomy to the socialist ideal. We need to keep the trade alliances and loose the political drama that overlies it. Cameron has played the safe game that doesn't pull us out, but allows us to maintain influence and protect our influence. He's also scuppered a treaty that would have sucked all member-states into potentially handing over their fuscal control to Brussels which would have meant that Brussels would have had eyes-on control and the information that would have helped them milk us. Equally important is the fact that in the UK "The City" generates £55bn+ a year in revenues for the Govt and the UK and accounts for over 50% of the entire EU's financial service sector. What the EU types want to do is start levying a tax on any finacial trading of stocks and shares. This wil disproportionately hit "The City" harder in the UK than anywhere else in Europe. That levy would go to the EU coffer, which is why the EU want control of our budgets. Add to that the risk of a tax levy in the Eurozone and UK, which would force traders out of the city to other countries such as Japan, USA and emerging markets where the rate of tax is lower. The financial impact of such a move on the UK would be catastrophic. This doesn't affect out trade in imports and exports as that is a different financial structure. There will always be demand for products and commodities and no EU trader is going to cease trading with the UK because we have protected our own interests and assets. Effectively, what the Eurocrats have done is pursued a single currency we didn't want any part of. Now the wheels are falling off, they have seen a potential pot of gold across the Channel in Old Blighty and want to tax one of our most profitable industries, milk it for what they can and when all the traders up sticks and leave the UK, drop us in the mire. Cameron just did us a huge favour and sent a very powerful message to the Eurocrats. I honestly didn't think he'd have the balls to do this, but he has shown his mettle by taking the stance he has. That's the way I see it at the moment anyway. I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong. You can be in the European Economic Region (EER) without being in the EU - as is the case for some of the Scandanavian countries. The UK went into the EU on a bad deal because Charles De Gaulle was vehemently opposed to the UK getting in. So now is the time to play hardball. Get a better deal for the UK or walk. Let's be clear on this. The world has turned since the EU was created. The EU has made the same mistakes as ancient Rome and has been brought down by those which it has taken in. The Euro will never work as a single currency throughout the whole of the EU because the member states are, in many cases, worlds apart. Some of the economies are, quite frankly, third world. How can the same rules be applied to them as apply to Germany for instance? The UK has just as much chance of being seen as a worthy place to do business if it is outwith the EU - but still in the EER. That's what I said But with fewer words....which was nice |
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It's not as easy as just leaving it. The EU as a trading alliance, is a good thing. It was set up after WWII to get the European market back on it's feet and stimulate economic growth to aid the post war recovery. However, while the froggies and krauts want want everyone to be in one big happy clappy socialist utopia run by Van Rumpuy and Barrossa and the other EU clowns with a single currency, many countries are reluctant to hand over their fiscal control to the Eurocrats and sacrifice up their sovereign autonomy to the socialist ideal. We need to keep the trade alliances and loose the political drama that overlies it. Cameron has played the safe game that doesn't pull us out, but allows us to maintain influence and protect our influence. He's also scuppered a treaty that would have sucked all member-states into potentially handing over their fuscal control to Brussels which would have meant that Brussels would have had eyes-on control and the information that would have helped them milk us. Equally important is the fact that in the UK "The City" generates £55bn+ a year in revenues for the Govt and the UK and accounts for over 50% of the entire EU's financial service sector. What the EU types want to do is start levying a tax on any finacial trading of stocks and shares. This wil disproportionately hit "The City" harder in the UK than anywhere else in Europe. That levy would go to the EU coffer, which is why the EU want control of our budgets. Add to that the risk of a tax levy in the Eurozone and UK, which would force traders out of the city to other countries such as Japan, USA and emerging markets where the rate of tax is lower. The financial impact of such a move on the UK would be catastrophic. This doesn't affect out trade in imports and exports as that is a different financial structure. There will always be demand for products and commodities and no EU trader is going to cease trading with the UK because we have protected our own interests and assets. Effectively, what the Eurocrats have done is pursued a single currency we didn't want any part of. Now the wheels are falling off, they have seen a potential pot of gold across the Channel in Old Blighty and want to tax one of our most profitable industries, milk it for what they can and when all the traders up sticks and leave the UK, drop us in the mire. Cameron just did us a huge favour and sent a very powerful message to the Eurocrats. I honestly didn't think he'd have the balls to do this, but he has shown his mettle by taking the stance he has. That's the way I see it at the moment anyway. I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong. You can be in the European Economic Region (EER) without being in the EU - as is the case for some of the Scandanavian countries. The UK went into the EU on a bad deal because Charles De Gaulle was vehemently opposed to the UK getting in. So now is the time to play hardball. Get a better deal for the UK or walk. Let's be clear on this. The world has turned since the EU was created. The EU has made the same mistakes as ancient Rome and has been brought down by those which it has taken in. The Euro will never work as a single currency throughout the whole of the EU because the member states are, in many cases, worlds apart. Some of the economies are, quite frankly, third world. How can the same rules be applied to them as apply to Germany for instance? The UK has just as much chance of being seen as a worthy place to do business if it is outwith the EU - but still in the EER. That's what I said But with fewer words....which was nice It's alright Phil can just paste it in the identical thread that's bound to be running on the BBS, they like long threads over there.
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It's not as easy as just leaving it. The EU as a trading alliance, is a good thing. It was set up after WWII to get the European market back on it's feet and stimulate economic growth to aid the post war recovery. However, while the froggies and krauts want want everyone to be in one big happy clappy socialist utopia run by Van Rumpuy and Barrossa and the other EU clowns with a single currency, many countries are reluctant to hand over their fiscal control to the Eurocrats and sacrifice up their sovereign autonomy to the socialist ideal. We need to keep the trade alliances and loose the political drama that overlies it. Cameron has played the safe game that doesn't pull us out, but allows us to maintain influence and protect our influence. He's also scuppered a treaty that would have sucked all member-states into potentially handing over their fuscal control to Brussels which would have meant that Brussels would have had eyes-on control and the information that would have helped them milk us. Equally important is the fact that in the UK "The City" generates £55bn+ a year in revenues for the Govt and the UK and accounts for over 50% of the entire EU's financial service sector. What the EU types want to do is start levying a tax on any finacial trading of stocks and shares. This wil disproportionately hit "The City" harder in the UK than anywhere else in Europe. That levy would go to the EU coffer, which is why the EU want control of our budgets. Add to that the risk of a tax levy in the Eurozone and UK, which would force traders out of the city to other countries such as Japan, USA and emerging markets where the rate of tax is lower. The financial impact of such a move on the UK would be catastrophic. This doesn't affect out trade in imports and exports as that is a different financial structure. There will always be demand for products and commodities and no EU trader is going to cease trading with the UK because we have protected our own interests and assets. Effectively, what the Eurocrats have done is pursued a single currency we didn't want any part of. Now the wheels are falling off, they have seen a potential pot of gold across the Channel in Old Blighty and want to tax one of our most profitable industries, milk it for what they can and when all the traders up sticks and leave the UK, drop us in the mire. Cameron just did us a huge favour and sent a very powerful message to the Eurocrats. I honestly didn't think he'd have the balls to do this, but he has shown his mettle by taking the stance he has. That's the way I see it at the moment anyway. I'm happy to stand corrected if I'm wrong. You can be in the European Economic Region (EER) without being in the EU - as is the case for some of the Scandanavian countries. The UK went into the EU on a bad deal because Charles De Gaulle was vehemently opposed to the UK getting in. So now is the time to play hardball. Get a better deal for the UK or walk. Let's be clear on this. The world has turned since the EU was created. The EU has made the same mistakes as ancient Rome and has been brought down by those which it has taken in. The Euro will never work as a single currency throughout the whole of the EU because the member states are, in many cases, worlds apart. Some of the economies are, quite frankly, third world. How can the same rules be applied to them as apply to Germany for instance? The UK has just as much chance of being seen as a worthy place to do business if it is outwith the EU - but still in the EER. That's what I said But with fewer words....which was nice You asked the question, you got an answer. That was concise by the way, the full picture is a damned site more complicated. |
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Cameron vetoes EU wide treaty changes saying its not in Britains best interest. This pisses off the Europeans. They don't want us there. The public here don't want to be there. What's the problem with just leaving it?
Why can't we have a referendum? I have a total lack of interest in the whole Euro thing for one simple reason.......................... One of the ideas of it was to standardise many laws and regulations to make life simpler and easier for all its residents Like, no borders - if you have a EU pasport in one country, all the other countries accept that. Like, driving licence categories - if you pass a test in UK then France will accept you are a competant driver. Like currency, one for all countries. Like a court of human rights - all the EU residents would be judged equally. Like hundreds of other things which have been standardised to be similar all over Europe. So, why is there such inequality when it comes to firearms ? Why does a resident of almost any other EU country have more rights than me when it comes to firearms ? |