Posted: 4/10/2023 7:37:17 PM EDT
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UPDATE 5/2: The house passed the bill. Contact Senator Tim Knopp (https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/knopp) and your local senator as well. Tell them to deny a quorum and walk out of the HB2005 vote. (not sure of the SB name yet). After that, it's just a lot of money to lawyers and however many years it takes to overturn the abomination. Original Post: It's going to be a difficult year for Oregon gun owners. https://www.oregonfirearms.org/times-up From the article: 04.10.2023 The time has come. HB 2005 could be voted in on the House Floor as early as tomorrow. It received its "Second Reading" today. That was the last stop before a vote. There is no more time for games and no more time for excuses. Under this bill all AR-15 style firearms, and countless others no doubt, will be banned from sale or transfer in Oregon. Possession of any AR-15 style rifle will be outlawed. This is because the geniuses in the Oregon Legislature have redefined what a "receiver" (meaning a "firearm") is. Now, previously-unregulated parts of firearms will require serial numbers that "have been imprinted by a federally licensed firearm manufacturer, importer or dealer, or a gunsmith with a federal firearms license, in accordance with federal law." But Federal law does not require serial numbers on the parts of firearms this law now regulates. The bill ends Second Amendment Rights for 18-20 year olds despite the fact that the Democrats KNOW this has been found to be unconstitutional. Furthermore it will ban licensed concealed carry in vast parts of the state since any government owned building and nearby property can be declared off limits. If you have ever attended a rally at the Capitol you know that all the buildings that surround the park across the street from the Capitol building are state buildings. They will certainly soon all be off limits. Licensed, armed gun owners will essentially be banned from any rallies just as they have been banned from the Capitol Building itself. We are going to make this crystal clear. If the Republicans are on the floor when this bill is voted on, it will pass and anything the Republicans say about it won't mean a damn thing. They can whine all they want about how they will "strongly oppose" it and give whatever fiery speeches they like. But they will have essentially voted "YES" simply by being there. House Republican Leader Vikki Breese Iverson has just declared her "friendship" with the people who are pushing this insane elimination of your rights. "I think we have formed a friendship if you will," House Republican Leader Vikki Breese-Iverson said of her political dynamic with House Speaker Dan Rayfield, D-Corvallis. If Iverson allows her members to be on the House Floor for a vote on this bill it will be obvious that her "friendship" with the gun grabbers is far more important to her than the rights of the people who elected Republicans. This is Iverson's last chance to step up. Please call her today and tell her your rights are more important than her "friendship" with the people who are destroying this state. Vikki Breese Iverson 503-986-1459 https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/breese-iverson |
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It's been passed by the house. Time to call and write to your senate reps. And send a nice note to Senator Tim Knopp, the lead Republican in the house. Tell him and his fellow republicans to WALK OUT and deny a quorum to the Dems. This is literally our only hope at this point. |
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| If an ffl, gunsmith or manufacture can serialize an upper what good will it do without a tracking system monitored and maintained by the state? I’ll have my ffl engrave my upper with xoxo12937451 and it is meaningless without reporting. Unless I missed it there was nothing about reporting in the legislation. |
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Originally Posted By SpeyRod: If an ffl, gunsmith or manufacture can serialize an upper what good will it do without a tracking system monitored and maintained by the state? I’ll have my ffl engrave my upper with xoxo12937451 and it is meaningless without reporting. Unless I missed it there was nothing about reporting in the legislation. FFL may be required to put it in their books once engraved. |
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Originally Posted By Deerhurst: FFL may be required to put it in their books once engraved. I’m not an ffl so don’t know the documentation they do beyond the 4473. Also, is their book a federal form? Does it have a space for “upper serial number?” Not sure how that will work. But the whole thing is moot because if every ffl in the state starts with sn 0001 for example, how many uppers will end up with that sn? I saw nothing in the legislation the establishes the allocation of serial numbers. If they are thinking the sn of the lower will be placed on the upper they don’t understand how this works. I have quite a few uppers with no lower. Typical .gov operation. |
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Originally Posted By SpeyRod: I’m not an ffl so don’t know the documentation they do beyond the 4473. Also, is their book a federal form? Does it have a space for “upper serial number?” Not sure how that will work. But the whole thing is moot because if every ffl in the state starts with sn 0001 for example, how many uppers will end up with that sn? I saw nothing in the legislation the establishes the allocation of serial numbers. If they are thinking the sn of the lower will be placed on the upper they don’t understand how this works. I have quite a few uppers with no lower. Typical .gov operation. If it's anything like the federal one the requirement will be to include some part of their federal FFL ID. No, the Salem and Portland commies have no idea how the law works, what is and isn't legal, what is and isn't morally right or what the constitution is let alone anything that isn't "ma feelz". |
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Originally Posted By Deerhurst: If it's anything like the federal one the requirement will be to include some part of their federal FFL ID. No, the Salem and Portland commies have no idea how the law works, what is and isn't legal, what is and isn't morally right or what the constitution is let alone anything that isn't "ma feelz". The problem is they didn’t write that into the law as far as I saw. They aren’t the AFT so don’t think they can change the law or modify it to suit their desires. But I am a simple man so… |
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Originally Posted By SpeyRod: The problem is they didn’t write that into the law as far as I saw. They aren’t the AFT so don’t think they can change the law or modify it to suit their desires. But I am a simple man so… Screw em then. Continue as have have been. All this shits so tiresome. |
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Originally Posted By Deerhurst: Screw em then. Continue as have have been. All this shits so tiresome. Attached File |
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Didn't realize it hadn't been posted on this forum. Here's the link to the revision that was passed: Oregon HB2005 Here's a link to the thread on HB2005 on the NW Firearms Forum: Link. Go to the last few pages to see the latest interpretations. EDIT: Here's another discussion on NF Firearms about serial numbers: Here. Both have good information. |
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Originally Posted By Nehi: https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-files-motion-to-block-oregons-ban-on-self-built-firearms Thanks |
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Looks like restraining order was rejected https://www.oregonfirearms.org/judge-rules-against-personally-made-firearms |
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I don't see how this law is going to survive legal challenges. Not that that means it won't cause any trouble in the meantime. I wonder how many years until this one is overturned in light of Bruen? In the meantime, Oregon is working hard to make outlaws out of everyday gunowners. |
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